Do not allow AI games onto Steam.

[Eternal Echo]

Steam recently announced it was going to allow AI games onto its platform. Respectfully, do not allow AI games onto your platform in any capacity; it is nigh impossible for users to identify AI-generated materials en masse and the marketplace will be flooded with games that are barely games at all.

Quality control will go down the sink and you'll find players refunding their games left and right and outright refusing to buy new ones out of a well-earned fear of getting an AI turd.

Those who use AI are not forthcoming; they know that AI will turn off buyers and keep it a secret even from those who ask. I have asked developers about who drew their art and who then told me in private that it was AI generated and asked me to not tell anyone.

You will have a deluge of AI-generated games from developers who will not admit to using AI and in such large quantities that users cannot possibly identify them all and it will result in subpar, incomplete, and non-functional games by the dozen. Users will refund these aplenty if they're not already holding back on buying games because they're worried about buying AI drivel.

I urge Steam to immediately take back this decision. It may come across as an indecisive "flip-flop" but gamers and developers will be happy that you are listening to them and it will restore faith in the Steam brand before that faith is destroyed by AI games.

I hope you do this soon because I am of the opinion that I should probably move to Good Old Games if AI is allowed on this platform.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por '"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"':

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

You think that would change with AI.

no but allow otheer devs who dont have budget to make their game

It would be them making it if the AI writes it.

[Max]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Publicado originalmente por '"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"':

no but allow otheer devs who dont have budget to make their game

It would be them making it if the AI writes it.

wat do u mean?

AI isn't one thing you can adjust how level ropatic the result all by devs/user

[𝕎𝕠𝕦𝕤𝕖𝕝𝕫]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Publicado originalmente por '"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"':

way better than unfinished and erlly accses gammes ,oh the another recycled hellow world skill porn games

You think that would change with AI.

Till a certain degree... yeah, I think so.
Don't get me wrong... it wouldn't change the quality of games from lazy-low-effort-uncreative devs... that are things that even an AI can't "fix" but it would help little game studios with just a single (or a handful) devs which don't lack on the attributes mentioned above.
But that's just my

[Tito Shivan]

Publicado originalmente por '"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"':

no but allow otheer devs who dont have budget to make their game

AI use isn't free.

[Max]

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

Publicado originalmente por '"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"':

no but allow otheer devs who dont have budget to make their game

AI use isn't free.

Local stable defusion setup?

[Snow]

I'm sure this has been said before. So long as devs must divulge if they use AI assets, in a sense who cares. I think in certain applications there is a use for AI. When it comes to games.. devs who are passionate and put a lot of hard work and polish into their game are the type who will also be passionate about quality. Those who use prompts to generate assets will most likely be those who think that the shovelware they're creating will bring in truckloads of $$$. In reality, most of these games will just be like older shovelware made with clip art. They might be lucky to sell 5 copies and end up with 5 nasty negative reviews.

AI is always sniffed out. An AI promo image for Magic The Gathering was quickly discovered and raised a huge stink. AAA companies would be wise not to use AI assets to crank their titles out quicker either. They'll very likely end up with a small to non-existent player base for those titles.

There is a type of AI I would be much warmer to in games. I love old school rpgs and it would be neat to run into NPCs who are also developing their own story. Like running into a farmer NPC in a village who just happened to be picking up supplies. He tells you some roving bandits raided his storehouse. You follow up on the bandits to find they robbed a weapon smith in another town. You find them. Rob them. Now you have some of the best weapons. But you are now a target too. Stuff like this does exist. And I've seen an experiment very similar to this. I think it was a self-running village.

[davidb11]

In regards to the MTG AI art fiasco, that was rather quickly curtailed and it wasn't even on WOTC, it was the artist they used in that instance.

[Max]

Publicado originalmente por Snow:

I'm sure this has been said before. So long as devs must divulge if they use AI assets, in a sense who cares. I think in certain applications there is a use for AI. When it comes to games.. devs who are passionate and put a lot of hard work and polish into their game are the type who will also be passionate about quality. Those who use prompts to generate assets will most likely be those who think that the shovelware they're creating will bring in truckloads of $$$. In reality, most of these games will just be like older shovelware made with clip art. They might be lucky to sell 5 copies and end up with 5 nasty negative reviews.

AI is always sniffed out. An AI promo image for Magic The Gathering was quickly discovered and raised a huge stink. AAA companies would be wise not to use AI assets to crank their titles out quicker either. They'll very likely end up with a small to non-existent player base for those titles.

There is a type of AI I would be much warmer to in games. I love old school rpgs and it would be neat to run into NPCs who are also developing their own story. Like running into a farmer NPC in a village who just happened to be picking up supplies. He tells you some roving bandits raided his storehouse. You follow up on the bandits to find they robbed a weapon smith in another town. You find them. Rob them. Now you have some of the best weapons. But you are now a target too. Stuff like this does exist. And I've seen an experiment very similar to this. I think it was a self-running village.

Yeah let's talk about $$$$ budget company against 0$ budget dev

great my boy.

Also why alot of games that have great art and still suck?

[Max]

Also good game doesn't need to be insane with art and music.

[AsILiveAndBreath..Raisin?]

They allow porn though. We are past the point of return.

[lx]

ill just leave this basic example of a game created by ai, without comment. make your own conclusions.
link[www.puzzlemaker.discoveryeducation.com]
click the blue button, to create the actual game

...but i think, you need a hintword - datamining

[American Dove Mitten]

Random generation with parameters has been part of gaming for a long time, it's nothing new. We keep referencing the "Internet Sampling", which is not the same as someone generating some default base to work with.

If AI-like software gives you a naked body model to reshape, what do I care if you cut corners on something that isn't really the end result, are you making something original with it or not, it's the same as asset flips, you can take an asset and make it completely original with enough work. But it helps you to have a base so you don't have to make a new model every time.

To me it's not black/white, it depends on dev's personal integrity since I can't identify AI in all games, it's just to what extent are you willing to shape it into something original.

Which is exactly what Valve is doing, they making you take responsibility for what you upload.

Personally I would prefer if real people at Valve had more to say in regards to what is allowed to be published, but if I learned anything, I seem to be the only one here that does. Like you look at an obvious key generator and yea, it's within our Eula. I would think not, but whatever.

Somewhere around 20/35 daily games are only uploaded to add keys into bundles, I think this is way worse than AI content so it's not like we had any standards.

[davidb11]

Publicado originalmente por DevNevin:

They allow porn though. We are past the point of return.

You're too many years later to complain about porn.
Which is a thousand times better than any AI. :P

[American Dove Mitten]

Publicado originalmente por davidb11:

Publicado originalmente por DevNevin:

They allow porn though. We are past the point of return.

You're too many years later to complain about porn.
Which is a thousand times better than any AI. :P

Actually most of the adult games on steam recently have been AI generated, made by same people that upload most of the assets too.

[davidb11]

Publicado originalmente por American Dung Beetle:

Publicado originalmente por davidb11:

You're too many years later to complain about porn.
Which is a thousand times better than any AI. :P

Actually most of the adult games on steam recently have been AI generated, made by same people that upload most of the assets too.

Uh. THat's not how it works.
What are you talking about? LOL wut.
And even if they did, I'm talking about porn games as a whole, since before AI generated porn even existed.

I have a few decades to go on that front. :P