$100 tax dollars.

[DESX3]

$100 dollars in fees is a lot for me, in my country it's half a minimum wage, I made my game and almost finished it when I came across a $100 fee. Why doesn't Steam find another way? For example, the game has already reached $100, it just had to be discounted

[DESX3]

Nguyên văn bởi Anonymous Helper:

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

At the end of the month, there's no money left. My country charges a lot of taxes. It's a difficult situation to live in here. I couldn't afford to spend $100 and then, in the end, you'd have to make up for it.

So, as I said, I'm going to launch it on another platform called itch.io, which has a good audience.

Steam could simply be losing a lot of good indie games.

Your financial situation, your country's economy and taxes your government charges have nothing to do with Valve and Steam.

Game that isn't expected to make 1000$ to get back the 100$ deposit is hardly a good game by any meansure. There is enough trash on Steam already, trash that have no problem paying the 100$ deposit to be on platform. It doesn't need more trash. Over 16k games have been released on Steam this year alone and year isn't over yet. Last year over 14k games were released on Steam. There's hardly a shortage of new games on Steam.

Yes, there isn't, but that makes it challenging and critical. I think there should already be a new system because the old one is outdated.
I don’t play the victim, but I like to criticize anything that can change for the better.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

Nguyên văn bởi C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

.....and you didn't think about this beforehand?

It's all there, documented, before you sign up.

I didn't know, because as far as I know there are a lot of free and incomplete games on Steam, it wouldn't make sense for someone to pay 100 dollars to post something meaningless.

Do you normally enter into contracts without reading everything first? That's what it is, a contract between you and Valve.

[Ben Lubar]

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

Also, since I don’t know how to program, I’ve tried thousands of times, but I’m using ChatGPT and Blackbox to create the scripts. However, it’s quite complicated because the AI struggles to understand simple and logical things.
But I’m a modeler; I’ve been using Blender for fun for over 10 years.
I really want to create games, not for the money, but to bring infinite fun.

Ok, genuine advice time. Don't try to wrangle ChatGPT.

If you can write instructions, you can write instructions for a computer. The hard part is knowing how to explain a step-by-step process in definite terms. The easy part is learning the language the computer can understand.

Don't be afraid to have the documentation for whatever language you're using open. This isn't like school where you're supposed to memorize everything.

And odds are, someone has already made and shared each individual piece of logic you need for your game. A search engine is a much better tool than an LLM for this.

Head to the Godot or Unity or Unreal website and search for the genre of game you want to make. For example, maybe you want to make a 3D platformer[godotengine.org].

99% of the code that's in that demo is going to be the same (not literally the same code, but code that does the same stuff) across basically any game in the genre. There's no sense in duplicating that work. Start from there rather than starting from nothing.

[ナルゴ]

$100 is not a big business expense in any country.

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

Also, since I don’t know how to program, I’ve tried thousands of times, but I’m using ChatGPT and Blackbox to create the scripts. However, it’s quite complicated because the AI struggles to understand simple and logical things.
But I’m a modeler; I’ve been using Blender for fun for over 10 years.
I really want to create games, not for the money, but to bring infinite fun.

Why are you trying to sell games when you admit that you don't know how to program.
There's no way to chatgpt your way through a development cycle.

[DESX3]

Nguyên văn bởi Nargo:

$100 is not a big business expense in any country.

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

Also, since I don’t know how to program, I’ve tried thousands of times, but I’m using ChatGPT and Blackbox to create the scripts. However, it’s quite complicated because the AI struggles to understand simple and logical things.
But I’m a modeler; I’ve been using Blender for fun for over 10 years.
I really want to create games, not for the money, but to bring infinite fun.

Why are you trying to sell games when you admit that you don't know how to program.
There's no way to chatgpt your way through a development cycle.

The future of programming is AI.
My friends who are programmers always use AI to write their codes.
I have some experience, so I can do the basics, even solve problems.
I am a 3D modeler, modeling objects for fun for over 10 years. I know how to build many game things, even use the engines, the only thing missing was programming, and with Chatgpt, it is giving me the opportunity to create games. So I just need to build good code without bugs, and the beauty of the game, I do.

[Ben Lubar]

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

The future of programming is AI.

Ask anyone in the industry and they'll tell you that "upgrading" 15 minutes of programming and 30 minutes of debugging to 10 minutes of programming and 3 hours of debugging followed by finding out the code doesn't integrate at all and then having to write it yourself from scratch anyway is not a good trade.

[Komarimaru]

All AI is, is what's it's programmed to give. It's probably the worst method of coding to date though, since it tries to mix things to look original, leading to more issues than it ever fixes.

[DESX3]

Nguyên văn bởi Ben Lubar:

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

The future of programming is AI.

Ask anyone in the industry and they'll tell you that "upgrading" 15 minutes of programming and 30 minutes of debugging to 10 minutes of programming and 3 hours of debugging followed by finding out the code doesn't integrate at all and then having to write it yourself from scratch anyway is not a good trade.

For complex things it is indeed a problem, but it will not cease to be the future, programmers are destroying their own jobs. Big companies know that AI will dominate.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Well, it seems the $100 fee is doing its job and keeping this AI slop off the store. Nothing of value lost.

[BJWyler]

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

Nguyên văn bởi Nargo:

$100 is not a big business expense in any country.


Why are you trying to sell games when you admit that you don't know how to program.
There's no way to chatgpt your way through a development cycle.

The future of programming is AI.
My friends who are programmers always use AI to write their codes.
I have some experience, so I can do the basics, even solve problems.
I am a 3D modeler, modeling objects for fun for over 10 years. I know how to build many game things, even use the engines, the only thing missing was programming, and with Chatgpt, it is giving me the opportunity to create games. So I just need to build good code without bugs, and the beauty of the game, I do.

No it is not, especially from someone who openly advocates for piracy. Anyone who uses AI in the creation process - be it art, literature, or even programming is just a hack who doesn't have the actual talent to create. AI can never replace human intuition, inspiration, and ingenuity. Those that believe AI is the future foolishly think that anything they see in a sci-fi movie is real.

[Start_Running]

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

Nguyên văn bởi C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

.....and you didn't think about this beforehand?

It's all there, documented, before you sign up.

I didn't know, because as far as I know there are a lot of free and incomplete games on Steam, it wouldn't make sense for someone to pay 100 dollars to post something meaningless.

Maybe because they aren't meaningless to the person who created them. The creator thought it was good enough.

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

Nguyên văn bởi Brian9824:

And? 15 days of work for your product to be provided to a GLOBAL audience. Your free to set up your own site and distribution platforms.

At the end of the month, there's no money left. My country charges a lot of taxes. It's a difficult situation to live in here. I couldn't afford to spend $100 and then, in the end, you'd have to make up for it.

So, as I said, I'm going to launch it on another platform called itch.io, which has a good audience.

Steam could simply be losing a lot of good indie games.

Nowadays, Steam could already invent a new medium because of the technology that has advanced a lot.

You inability to manage money is your own problem. Set aside $5 a month and you'll have the money in about 2 years which would have been the time you spent developing the game. Or as said. ask friends and family for a loaner. And there's also going to an actual bank.

IOr push come to shove. Get an extra job. I mean if you had the spare time to develop the game, you have enough spare time to leverage with a job.

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

Yes, there isn't, but that makes it challenging and critical. I think there should already be a new system because the old one is outdated.
I don’t play the victim, but I like to criticize anything that can change for the better.

Yeah but you are playing the victim m8.
The system works as intended. Heck if you ask most gamers they'd say it should be doubled to $200 to weed out more of the trash developers pushing junk games on the platform.

Nguyên văn bởi Ben Lubar:

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

The future of programming is AI.

Ask anyone in the industry and they'll tell you that "upgrading" 15 minutes of programming and 30 minutes of debugging to 10 minutes of programming and 3 hours of debugging followed by finding out the code doesn't integrate at all and then having to write it yourself from scratch anyway is not a good trade.

Pretty much.

And if he's relying on ChatGPT to write his code.. hoo-boy. I do not have high expectations for that game.

[Ben Lubar]

Nguyên văn bởi Komarimaru:

All AI is, is what's it's programmed to give. It's probably the worst method of coding to date though, since it tries to mix things to look original, leading to more issues than it ever fixes.

I used it to design a card game for a laugh. Literally just the descriptions on the cards. About a third of the cards in the game introduce new mechanics that cannot be activated because they're not referenced on any other card, a few of the cards have effects like "she becomes a 4/4 Feral Dragon with Flying" which I'm pretty sure are stolen directly from Magic the Gathering, and there are several cards with effects that are actively harmful to the person who plays the card.

LLMs are good at making text you could believe was in a language. But just because the text looks like English or C++ or whatever doesn't mean it actually means anything or has any basis in fact, even within the context of the single conversation.

Grant Sanderson (3Blue1Brown) has a long series on how LLMs work, as well as this short:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHEtJUlpqcg

It's a more sophisticated version of a Markov chain, but it does the same thing. Making a Markov chain generator is frequenty used as an exercise for beginner programmers. If you haven't done it and you're interested in programming, try it out and see how much even that simple program that's less than a hundred lines long can make text that fools humans.

[JPMcMillen]

Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

My game already takes about an hour to almost reach the end—if the player is really good. It's a very challenging game.
But now, it seems I’ll also have to turn it into an RPG.

A game that can be finished in less than two hours is going to struggle on Steam. Namely from those that will buy the game, finish it, then request a refund.

That's what keeps many small games from ever hitting that $1000 sales goal to both refunding the $100 back to the developer and the game getting out of the "learning" phase and being able to have trading cards and achievements counting towards the players global achievement stats.

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Nguyên văn bởi DESX3:

$100 dollars in fees is a lot for me, in my country it's half a minimum wage, I made my game and almost finished it when I came across a $100 fee. Why doesn't Steam find another way? For example, the game has already reached $100, it just had to be discounted

The question is why don't you find another way, for example setting money aside for the fee? If you're unwilling to do that for a small fee to get your game out there that says a lot about the quality put into the game.

[DESX3]

Nguyên văn bởi Malfunctioning Robot:

Well, it seems the $100 fee is doing its job and keeping this AI slop off the store. Nothing of value lost.

Most of the programming is done by AI, for example, I am a 3D modeler, I create all the visuals of the game, I also know how to edit photos with Photoshop, edit videos, animation and everything the game needs. So your answer doesn't make sense.
I understand that indie games will sell more, but no programmer today is without an AI to guide or solve problems where the programmer doesn't see.