note lots of steam community forum users banned

[76561199496784570]

its concerning because most of these people aren't doing anything wrong and are being subject to inconsistent and aggressive banning practices by steam.


as a result, i think steam should start posting moderator accounts next to the banned persons name where is says "Banned" it should show the community who has banned them, and the reason why.

why they should do this?

because steam moderation itself needs to be investigated because of the way it acts out against typical non threatening users. that by disclosing the moderator who is banning individuals we as a community can see who the problem is, we can then report it directly to steam support that hey this moderator is acting out against users, is conspiring with malicious groups on the forums and is generally in violation of moderation rights.

i will agree that sometimes we all deserve a ban for something we might of wrongfully said or engaged in activity, however there is a point that it becomes excessive and malicious, because moderators are just people to and they seem to make more mistakes then typical users do.

Clarity is needed to protect the community from this malicious banning and forum moderation abuse.



update:

ever user on this thread has been linked together in a group as a toxic and user reporter seeking to ban the content of others from the forum, i knew this would easily get all of your attention and put you all in a nice place out of the the general "steam community" main threads.

this is why this topic is still active and this account isn't banned because the moderator you all work with is not allowed to control topic views on this discussion thread section of steam.

while i find it rather annoying and some what childish that you all goto such great lengths to lie about steam users and try to harass and belittle them, and try to get them banned. i am somewhat not suprised. this is the typical behavior that can be seen by social groupings

I hope that some serious investigation is done into the steam community forum moderation, that steam users can once again find a voice without being berated by the lot of you.


the only person with legit input on this was Kitt who i have noted as being a victim in the past of your little banning game against users.


i personally enjoy that you come at me , and i hope you enjoy that i stand up to you and i will continue to stand up to your shenanigans until this community and steam itself is a better place for all of its users.

my regards to the real moderators who are not manipulated by pettiness and seek only to do a professional and upstanding job, good work, i hope that you will continue to safe guard our community against people that seek to hurt it. such as the ones commenting viciously upon this thread.

i hope that this all sheds real light onto the hostility of user banning going on in the "steam community" threads as the general display can show that most users don't engage in forum responses, it is only these users, who clearly show hostile intent and have personal vendetta's

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

I don't keep a log of who comes and go. But I recall a couple be decommissioned while we still were around.

The paid mods have been here since 2015, is that it?

I wasn't expecting you to keep a log, but if the turnover rate is high, then we would see this kind of thing here and there when browsing old threads:

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3761103414977409334/?ctp=52#c3790380404156296375

Interestingly, though, that seems to be a rare sight. I've showed that to an old regular, they don't recall seeing that before. I'm sure that people come and go, that's normal in any company. But can't they reuse accounts? You know, new guy comes in, uses an old account of someone that left. Apparently, that's what happens given how rare it is to find mod profiles deleted.

No reason most people would ever see it, i mean the forum only goes back so many pages so unless your going thru old threads and constantly checking you won't see it. I mean I checked and I was able to find 2 more that had their profiles removed just within the last 8 months or so. Which sounds reasonable for normal turnover.

[Pierce Dalton]

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

I don't keep a log of who comes and go. But I recall a couple be decommissioned while we still were around.

I remember this one because of his name - https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/26/624076027691726515/#c3595590846022069591

If you click his profile you will see his account was nuked as well

Also this one -
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3004430047209268590/?ctp=4#c3464975762205374724

So yeah not sure why someone would try to assign malice to an account being deleted when there are a lot of valid reasons for doing so. I mean I delete people's account in our software all the time when they leave, I created the outboarding process and its part of our checklist

Not entirely nuked since the usernames and avatars are still there. Interesting difference.

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

I remember this one because of his name - https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/26/624076027691726515/#c3595590846022069591

If you click his profile you will see his account was nuked as well

Also this one -
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3004430047209268590/?ctp=4#c3464975762205374724

So yeah not sure why someone would try to assign malice to an account being deleted when there are a lot of valid reasons for doing so. I mean I delete people's account in our software all the time when they leave, I created the outboarding process and its part of our checklist

You're not sure? You were the one gloating over it Forgot that already?

You'd have to show me where that supposedly happeend because I can't find it. What actually DID happen - https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3819657183205828574/?ctp=3#c6756004226315841212

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

I'm not saying its related, but i've never seen a moderator account erased like that before, maybe you have, but its intresting.

I very clearly stated I never assumd it was related to any action the moderator had taken. So I await your link to said gloating

Looking thru the old mod names jogged my memory on others that were removed. Like i said before I can't attribute it to any specific action, doing so would be malicious and without any merit. I can only wonder at the timing which combined with things support told that I won't repeat make me wonder about the scenario behind that specific case.

However as previously mentioned, even if WAS removed from bad actions, that doesen't imply that others are bad.

[76561198334930909]

I am till rather impressed that this is one of the most active threads on the steam suggestion section. I think it says a lot to the content and the topic creation and the OP's like ability and how they have been labeled a villain and a hero of the people at the same time.

it is astonishing how few of us there really are on steam and just how quickly and how many people have contributed to this thread.

you have to make the case that those who view the topic with negativity are just the bad actors who are the ones always accusing and trying to push a censorship and non compliance policy all across the forum.

its not difficult to view all of your forum history's and see how you continue to cause more harm then good across the forum.

i would hope that moderation would start to notice the wrong doing that a lot of you are engaging in across the forum, i can't really hand them your names any easier then i have already laid out right here on this thread.

"Personal Vendetta Confirmation"

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Honor & Righteousness:

i would hope that moderation would start to notice the wrong doing that a lot of you are engaging in across the forum, i can't really hand them your names any easier then i have already laid out right here on this thread.

I've seen a few bans on the first page alone so they are definitely noticing the wrong doing and starting to take action. The problem is all too often when people call for more moderation they end up not liking WHO is getting moderated...

[Psymon²]

note lots of steam community forum users banned

even more difficult to "note" is the posts that are silently deleted.
no warning, no ban, just deleted without any notification.
only way to be aware is to go back through your own comment history.

[76561198334930909]

you can't really discuss why one was banned but labeling a user as banned is also counterproductive to steams policy, it is a form of steam trying to name shame a user, which goes against steams own rules so you have to consider that banning in itself is Wrong and shouldn't be done.

it just seems like a very silly and childish policy, i would hope steam could protect its users better and make moderation a little cleaner and less abusive towards its community.

[The Commendatore]

Publicado originalmente por Honor & Righteousness:

you can't really discuss why one was banned but labeling a user as banned is also counterproductive to steams policy, it is a form of steam trying to name shame a user, which goes against steams own rules so you have to consider that banning in itself is Wrong and shouldn't be done.

No, banning users is actually quite useful since it should dissuade users from breaking the rules.

Evidently, the punishment isn't harsh enough considering.

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Honor & Righteousness:

you can't really discuss why one was banned but labeling a user as banned is also counterproductive to steams policy, it is a form of steam trying to name shame a user

Nope, it serves as a tool so people stop trying to ask questions and know why someone isn't responding. Otherwise you could be asking questions of someone for days not knowing they can't respond because they are banned.

It also serves to appease those who claim that moderators don't punish people as they can see the bans being handed out. USERS aren't allowed to name and shame, Steam is allowed to follow different rules such as the fact that Moderators can backseat moderate as they are well moderators....

[Start_Running]

Publicado originalmente por Honor & Righteousness:

Publicado originalmente por Psymon²:

even more difficult to "note" is the posts that are silently deleted.
no warning, no ban, just deleted without any notification.
only way to be aware is to go back through your own comment history.

they actually do alot of this and after something like 10 it will also trigger a auto ban, which i suspect is how the moderators are causing players to be banned without really breaking rules, they just go and start deleting all the posts until it happens.

And of course you have the evidence to back this up right?

Publicado originalmente por Honor & Righteousness:

my little unicorn was clearly a victim of such actions a few days ago, however all those deleted posts are still on file and can be copy and pasted back into threads later,

Which then explains the banning hmm?

Basically if you keep doing the bad thing, the kid gloves come off.

[Tanoomba]

Publicado originalmente por Psymon²:

even more difficult to "note" is the posts that are silently deleted.
no warning, no ban, just deleted without any notification.
only way to be aware is to go back through your own comment history.

This is a good feature. Basically, it seems to me that that's the option mods use when they don't like the direction the conversation is going (getting too heated), or it's straying too far from the topic (also usually an argument). While neither party was necessarily breaking the rules, it was clear that there was emotional investment in the discussion and things were getting less civil. No warning, nothing on the record, just sweeping up the dry twigs before they start a fire.

It's happened to my posts several times. I don't mind at all. I understand that the mods won't just sit by and let things escalate, especially when posts are being reported. I would have thought you'd be for the mods using a gentler hand and finding ways to AVOID punishing people.

[Tanoomba]

Publicado originalmente por Honor & Righteousness:

they actually do alot of this and after something like 10 it will also trigger a auto ban

I don't believe this is the case. Where did you hear this?

Publicado originalmente por Honor & Righteousness:

my little unicorn was clearly a victim of such actions a few days ago

"Clearly"?

Publicado originalmente por Honor & Righteousness:

however all those deleted posts are still on file and can be copy and pasted back into threads later, steam moderation can only try and silence users they have no power to delete the written content, so a user is always encourged to go back and repost the information later on a new thread, or a new account since steam moderation is only looking for the accounts labeled by its bad actor forum report abusers.

I don't think it's a good idea for you to endorse spamming deleted content, to the point where you claim it's "encouraged". Not if you also want to claim that people are being unfairly targeted.

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

You'd have to show me where that supposedly happeend because I can't find it.

No problem, I can:

https://ibb.co/jgTT0bJ

Eager to share the good news, huh?

By the way, who told you that account was nuked?

Just in case you forgot that too, that's a link to the moderator's post locking the thread.

Thank you, for confirming what I said. I did indeed find it interesting, and wondered if there was a connection do to what support told me.

As you just proved no one that I can see ever gloated over it. Also never claimed anyone ever told me it was nuked, easy to see that with my own eyes.

It's interesting but doesn't prove anything conclusively, and as I already showed at least 3 moderators accounts have had similar action done in less then a year. Just first I could recall seeing as it happened to a post I was aware of

[Tanoomba]

Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

That makes zero sense. If they want to be "gentler" they can send a warning. But maybe some are too lazy for that.

But warnings accumulate and can lead to harsher punishments. Post deletions do not.
Besides, for all I know the other party involved in my discussions did get a warning, and my posts were deleted for referencing the offending posts.

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

Anyway, the account was deleted days after the thread was locked. You wouldn't know unless someone told you about it. Even if you were re-reading some posts there, it wouldn't make sense to re-read that post locking the thread... which is the "only way" to notice the account was deleted.

Actually I saw it when I was sending a friend a link to it who had asked me for it. Assuming stuff when you don't have all the info is never a good idea, your often proved wrong.