pro actively moderate, to minimise inflamatory posts, antagonistic users

[Psymon²]

the steam forums rely solely on users reporting users.
that's not good enough.
most users have a conscience, and believe the report feature should be reserved only for the worst of the worst.
this means that a significant portion of "bad" will go unreported by the users.
it also means that the users who know how to exploit the report system effectively control what is viewed by moderation.

calling that system "unacceptable" is putting it lightly.
valve need to start caring about the toxicity of their community, and employ active measures to limit the disruption between users.

simply having hand wavey "rules" and expecting users to do your job for you isn't enough

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Escrito originalmente por VALVE:

We expect that anyone participating in the community make a reasonable judgment about whether their contributions are appropriate

ensure that these shared places remain constructive and respectful

Interactions with other players should not be abusive, disparaging, or inflammatory, nor create an environment that is unwelcoming

Make sure that contributions are relevant and constructive

If someone has engaged in behavior that is detrimental to the discussion -- spamming, harassment, etc -- report the post (don't reply to it) and we'll take a look

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edit: they also need to proactively reveal accounts that are "alts" of those users who are trying to manipulate the discussion and avoid blocks.

[xBCxRangers]

Escrito originalmente por Steve:

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Oh if people only followed the rules, they tell us all to follow, but never follow themselves. Why should they?

They have backup from the puzzle palace letting they, you get away with matters, it take me a NY 30 seconds to be banned for.

OP, they are being proactive, and i'm glad to see folks now sharing my theories, that in fact they "have " to be proactive, particularly in this day and age.

That's why they have their chosen people monitor, these fora. And there's no issue with that. The issue is we being baited, harangued, and entrapped by these very posters. And they need, to be held to the same standards we are.

The "theories" you parrot have existed long before you started posting. They aren't yours, nor original.

They are mine, and i'm glad people now agree. All we now have to do, is get qualified individuals to do the monitoring.

That means people who are over the age of i would say 25. And have real world work experiences, a background check, proficient in the language they monitor and other matters, as well as better pay.

Minimum Wage and hiring from our various theme parks, or those pressing ban buttons while tidying up their hs college studies don't seem to be working.

[The Commendatore]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Escrito originalmente por Steve:

The "theories" you parrot have existed long before you started posting. They aren't yours, nor original.

They are mine, and i'm glad people now agree. All we now have to do, is get qualified individuals to do the monitoring.

That means people who are over the age of i would say 25. And have real world work experiences, a background check, proficient in the language they monitor and other matters, as well as better pay.

Minimum Wage and hiring from our various theme parks, or those pressing ban buttons while tidying up their hs college studies don't seem to be working.

Incorrect.

[Start_Running]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Escrito originalmente por Brian9824:

Actually its quite easy to break, people just need to behave for a while and the won't find themselves connected to moderators consantly. That actually takes effort though, so its easier to just make up fake claims and claim that moderators are out to get people instead of behaving however

Oh if people only followed the rules, they tell us all to follow, but never follow themselves. Why should they?

That shouldn't matter.
Keep your nose clean and don't worry about anyone else's.

[xBCxRangers]

Escrito originalmente por Start_Running:

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Oh if people only followed the rules, they tell us all to follow, but never follow themselves. Why should they?

That shouldn't matter.
Keep your nose clean and don't worry about anyone else's.

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

They have backup from the puzzle palace letting they, you get away with matters, it take me a NY 30 seconds to be banned for.

You've garnered a reputation.
That's the result of said reputation.

My reputation is that of a rock star, thanks to you and others. I seem to live rent free in the heads of many here. Why? Because they know i'm right, or why would they waste, seemingly hours on my views?

To get to that point however, you have to be a leader, not a follower. You have to stand up for whats right.

Which is not a hard thing to do here, being i have not seen, anywhere, people standing up for the rich and corrupt. Only here.

And so, most of it a no brainer, but you have to have the veracity to deal with it. And that takes toughness.

Or, you can stand up for the status quo, get robbed, and stand up for the people who do it, and garner the reputation the Steam Forums have garnered, which if you did not know, is not very good.

Enjoy all

[JamesF0790]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Escrito originalmente por Start_Running:

That shouldn't matter.
Keep your nose clean and don't worry about anyone else's.


You've garnered a reputation.
That's the result of said reputation.

My reputation is that of a rock star, thanks to you and others. I seem to live rent free in the heads of many here. Why? Because they know i'm right, or why would they waste, seemingly hours on my views?

To get to that point however, you have to be a leader, not a follower. You have to stand up for whats right.

Which is not a hard thing to do here, being i have not seen, anywhere, people standing up for the rich and corrupt. Only here.

And so, most of it a no brainer, but you have to have the veracity to deal with it. And that takes toughness.

Or, you can stand up for the status quo, get robbed, and stand up for the people who do it, and garner the reputation the Steam Forums have garnered, which if you did not know, is not very good.

Enjoy all

I'm afraid not my friend. It is not that of a rockstar or even a main character. You do not present yourself as a leader standing up against the rich and powerful. Instead it is like the story of Don Quixote.

[The Commendatore]

Escrito originalmente por The Squire of Gothos:

They are moderating the place. People just don't like they're on the receiving end of it.

But, but, they should moderate more aggressively.

I'd say it's more a case of 'I don't like the other person involved doesn't get banned but I do'.

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Escrito originalmente por Brian9824:

Actually its quite easy to break, people just need to behave for a while and the won't find themselves connected to moderators consantly. That actually takes effort though, so its easier to just make up fake claims and claim that moderators are out to get people instead of behaving however

Oh if people only followed the rules, they tell us all to follow, but never follow themselves. Why should they?
.

We circle back to your issue sadly. You don't understand the rules, technology, law, politics, or many of the things you try to discuss on the forum. That repeatedly causes you issues because you turn down offers to help you understand them because you can't admit you don't understand them properly.

Most users on steam understand the rules quite well, its why over 99% of users don't have an issue getting banned repeatedly. Its always only a small minority of users that seem incapable of following the rules and repeatedly get banned, and i'm sure we will see more demonstrating that very soon.

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

My reputation is that of a rock star, thanks to you and others. I seem to live rent free in the heads of many here. Why? Because they know i'm right, or why would they waste, seemingly hours on my views?

We can add that to the list of things you don't understand. When people have to repeatedly point out you are WRONG, that is the OPPOSITE of them thinking you are right. As for why people spend so much time pointing it out some people have ethics and if they see misinformation being spread they will correct it so people don't fall for false claims like the old rumor that some users were trying to spread about Microsoft buying steam that turned out to be false.

I'm sure you remember that as an example and how many users were saying it wasn't true and certain users who often get their facts wrong kept insisting it was...

[xBCxRangers]

Escrito originalmente por Brian9824:

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You have to look at the overall point of what someone is trying to present. When you go back next month, the teacher may pose a question.

Question. If Brians Mom gave him 50 cents to purchase bubble gum at the store, and the bubble gum costs 49 cents, how much change should Brian get?

The answer you would give the teacher, is "what proof do we have Brians mom gave him the 50 cents?"

That's where it seems you go wrong.

This is not a court, or a dissertation at college. It's a gaming forum, and in that, we have to look at the overall point someone is trying to present.

As this pertains to the OP, what should be done, is if the question is posed, "If Mr Newell gave me 50 cents, and the product is this much", and your answer is to go into a whole dissertion, a proactive moderator would erase your post, give you a warning, and if it continues, a ban.

Being that's derailment. These are issues that Valve need to meet, head on.

[Amaterasu]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Escrito originalmente por Start_Running:

That shouldn't matter.
Keep your nose clean and don't worry about anyone else's.


You've garnered a reputation.
That's the result of said reputation.

My reputation is that of a rock star, thanks to you and others. I seem to live rent free in the heads of many here. Why? Because they know i'm right, or why would they waste, seemingly hours on my views?

To get to that point however, you have to be a leader, not a follower. You have to stand up for whats right.

Which is not a hard thing to do here, being i have not seen, anywhere, people standing up for the rich and corrupt. Only here.

And so, most of it a no brainer, but you have to have the veracity to deal with it. And that takes toughness.

Or, you can stand up for the status quo, get robbed, and stand up for the people who do it, and garner the reputation the Steam Forums have garnered, which if you did not know, is not very good.

Enjoy all

If it was that of a Rock Star, I'd have spent my ban unable to wait to talk to you, I'd have thrown you a friend request to talk to you.

Truth is, people correct you not because it's you, but because of what you say.

[Psymon²]

gotta love how it almost always comes down to
team "valve should make steam and the forums better"
vs
team "YOU'RE WRONG AND YOU SHOULD BE BANNED"

but hey, whatever it takes to derail a thread of valid criticism eh?

[Crazy Tiger]

Escrito originalmente por Amaterasu:

Truth is, people correct you not because it's you, but because of what you say.

Now now, let's not bring common sense to these threads.

[Grampire]

I think the number 1 way Steam can fix these issues is by making Blocking more powerful.

If I block someone, there shouldn't be a clickable [show] button next to it. That makes it worthless. And if I can see others Quoting that user, even moreso.

You should completely hide the fact that person posted, and your posts should be hidden from them. And if another user quotes someone you've blocked? Hide the quote and don't make it revealable.

Blocked should mean Blocked. They should basically be metaphorically removed from the platform in terms of your awareness of them, and that is not currently the case. This is an easy fix for Valve and would go a long way.

[xBCxRangers]

Escrito originalmente por Amaterasu:

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

My reputation is that of a rock star, thanks to you and others. I seem to live rent free in the heads of many here. Why? Because they know i'm right, or why would they waste, seemingly hours on my views?

To get to that point however, you have to be a leader, not a follower. You have to stand up for whats right.

Which is not a hard thing to do here, being i have not seen, anywhere, people standing up for the rich and corrupt. Only here.

And so, most of it a no brainer, but you have to have the veracity to deal with it. And that takes toughness.

Or, you can stand up for the status quo, get robbed, and stand up for the people who do it, and garner the reputation the Steam Forums have garnered, which if you did not know, is not very good.

Enjoy all

If it was that of a Rock Star, I'd have spent my ban unable to wait to talk to you, I'd have thrown you a friend request to talk to you.

Truth is, people correct you not because it's you, but because of what you say.

Well that reminds me, OP i got your requests. I don't take them on Steam. It's not you, i just don't take them.

And so i hope you're not offended, i just dont know how to send you messaging that i don't take requests.

Anyhow, sorry for the interruption, carry on.

[Psymon²]

Escrito originalmente por MrNewell123:

Escrito originalmente por Amaterasu:

If it was that of a Rock Star, I'd have spent my ban unable to wait to talk to you, I'd have thrown you a friend request to talk to you.

Truth is, people correct you not because it's you, but because of what you say.

Well that reminds me, OP i got your requests. I don't take them on Steam. It's not you, i just don't take them.

And so i hope you're not offended, i just dont know how to send you messaging that i don't take requests.

Anyhow, sorry for the interruption, carry on.

no offence taken, fully understand your position, thanks for explaining

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por MrNewell123:

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You have quite a bit of reading and work to do Rangers to fix that post to make it readable and understandable.

However it all boils down again, as you just demonstrated in it that you seem to fail to properly grasp what others say which leads to your confusion.

Stuff like the fact that over 99% of users don't get routinely banned is well a FACT. Its not even debateable. Its only a very small minority that don't seem to understand things and show no desire to fix their deficiencies.

Escrito originalmente por Psymon²:

gotta love how it almost always comes down to
team "valve should make steam and the forums better"
vs
team "YOU'RE WRONG AND YOU SHOULD BE BANNED"

but hey, whatever it takes to derail a thread of valid criticism eh?

Not derailment just because you don't like it. The issue is you keep calling for those "active measures" aka bans to be applied to people you don't like, rather then being applied equally to those who break the rules.

Your definition of "better" is valve ignoring the rules and only targeting those YOU think are breaking the rules while repeatedly ignoring that you don't seem to properly understand the rules.

As Rangers was already told, the vast majority of the forum seems to be able to understand the rules. So when over 99% of users seem to be able to participate on the forums without getting banned, the small group that seems to rack up bans constantly should be asking themselves why they have to constantly antagonize, troll, and harass other users and what they need to do to correct their own behavior.