steam report system overhaul Needed To ensure Forum Growth

[76561199559798421]

Currently the steam report system is easily abused.

moderation will often speak up about how they use reports to issues bans.

however it has been shown that moderation does not take to the time to investigate into the reports or supply meaningful context of reasons or evaluations of reported content which has currently caused the steam forums to be exploited by the Report Feature.

its being suggested that Steam Overhaul its moderation team and its reporting feature to investigate why the reports are taking place before any action is conducted.

That steam forums has proved to have a limited number of users far less interested in topics then reviews which creates more speculation into why the steam forum hub is so completely empty and void of topics related interaction.

Yet the presence of reported users and banned individual will often outweight the topics interaction all together.

[Amaterasu]

Nguyên văn bởi bluesky66621:

Nguyên văn bởi sungoddess14:

The majority doesn't care about woke. The Woke and the Anti-Woke think of themselves as the majority. I've already proved through the power of basic mathematics that neither side is a majority.

Believe whatever you want. I been around very long time at steam. I have seen it all. Users like us want a better steam experience. I know a troll when I see one.

I believe in facts, not in my own assertions. If SBI detected were to determine the anti-woke, and I'll be nice and buff it up to 500,000 people. It is over 65 million shy of a majority on Steam. 170 million shy of a majority of people in the US, and so close to 4 billion shy of a majority of the people on the planet itself that I might as well just say 4 billion and be done with it.

Welcome to basic mathematics.

[76561199648916059]

Usually when people start spitting numbers , dropping a few zeros off the end of them gives you the accurate numbers,

Example 500,000 = 5,000

65 million is closer to 65,000

4 billion is somewhere around 40 million, it's simple that in today's over inflated world about 90% of profits and populations just don't exist. Granted some things are more popular but a good example is a stadium game, of a city with 67 million people it can accommodate less then 120,000 of them and turns the streets and traffic into a nightmare. If 67 million people existed in any of those city's they would be unable to function.

Comparison is steam forums if a few people cause steam such grief and cause moderation to struggle imagine if steam really had 30 million users, the amount of content needing to be removed would require 1000s of employees, I think at best we can consider 30 million somewhere around 3million and out of those 3 million maybe 3000 people use the forums in total,

Out of those 3,000 people, maybe 300 oof them use the steam hub and out of those 300 maybe 30 people frequently post, and out of those 30 people. 3 people seem to speak up about the problems plaguing steam.

Reality is maybe 10 people really speak up about it but still the 30 accounts on a thread seems about the average conversation steam has to deal with regularly

[Amaterasu]

Nguyên văn bởi Majestically Awkward:

Usually when people start spitting numbers , dropping a few zeros off the end of them gives you the accurate numbers,

Example 500,000 = 5,000

65 million is closer to 65,000

4 billion is somewhere around 40 million, it's simple that in today's over inflated world about 90% of profits and populations just don't exist. Granted some things are more popular but a good example is a stadium game, of a city with 67 million people it can accommodate less then 120,000 of them and turns the streets and traffic into a nightmare. If 67 million people existed in any of those city's they would be unable to function.

Comparison is steam forums if a few people cause steam such grief and cause moderation to struggle imagine if steam really had 30 million users, the amount of content needing to be removed would require 1000s of employees, I think at best we can consider 30 million somewhere around 3million and out of those 3 million maybe 3000 people use the forums in total,

Out of those 3,000 people, maybe 300 oof them use the steam hub and out of those 300 maybe 30 people frequently post, and out of those 30 people. 3 people seem to speak up about the problems plaguing steam.

Reality is maybe 10 people really speak up about it but still the 30 accounts on a thread seems about the average conversation steam has to deal with regularly

Steam's daily Concurrent user count is around 133 million. The US Population is 341 million. The world's population is 8 billion. These are verifiable statistics.

[Thermal Lance]

Nguyên văn bởi sungoddess14:

Nguyên văn bởi Majestically Awkward:

Usually when people start spitting numbers , dropping a few zeros off the end of them gives you the accurate numbers,

Example 500,000 = 5,000

65 million is closer to 65,000

4 billion is somewhere around 40 million, it's simple that in today's over inflated world about 90% of profits and populations just don't exist. Granted some things are more popular but a good example is a stadium game, of a city with 67 million people it can accommodate less then 120,000 of them and turns the streets and traffic into a nightmare. If 67 million people existed in any of those city's they would be unable to function.

Comparison is steam forums if a few people cause steam such grief and cause moderation to struggle imagine if steam really had 30 million users, the amount of content needing to be removed would require 1000s of employees, I think at best we can consider 30 million somewhere around 3million and out of those 3 million maybe 3000 people use the forums in total,

Out of those 3,000 people, maybe 300 oof them use the steam hub and out of those 300 maybe 30 people frequently post, and out of those 30 people. 3 people seem to speak up about the problems plaguing steam.

Reality is maybe 10 people really speak up about it but still the 30 accounts on a thread seems about the average conversation steam has to deal with regularly

Steam's daily Concurrent user count is around 133 million. The US Population is 341 million. The world's population is 8 billion. These are verifiable statistics. :SpadeSmug:

I won't bother checking your math. All, I am going to say is that arguing fact in here is borderline useless. It's all tinfoil and sparkles.

[76561199648916059]

Lets pretend china and india together has 1 billion people, and America most likely has less then 200 million, Europe as a whole is also around 100 million and Russia has about 80 million on Western Russia and less then 4 million in eastern Russia, Japan and smaller island nations have less then 10 million in populations, places in the Middle East are around 100 million with Iran having a much larger % then other smaller middle eastern nations. South America roughly 50 million. Total world population under 2 billion people.

The reason is logical distribution of food in the world which can not sustain a population beyond a set number of people, no matter how much you inflate the population the food source just can not sustain or accommodate the food source for 8 billion people, there would be nothing on the planet but people and food.

Lets not for get the waste of not only people but major manufacturing there is simply no reason to believe the inflation totals today, consider the facts that most populations are negative growth over the past 70 years, and massive population boost numbers where visable after a major world war which tried to hide population due to fear of invasion across the globe.

All in all the reality is steam deals with only a tiny minority of posts pre day , the volume would be intensive if millions of people all posted multiple junk threads.

Call it what you will but my stores shelves are full and food gets tossed out and expires before people buy it, also the industry of retail as a whole clearendes products including steam.

There is no reason to believe over inflated population when abundance of everything exists. If steam puts things on sale you can get they aren't selling

Update, steams been playing pretend for decades, are you suggesting they already lost?

[fluxtorrent]

When you need to play pretend to make your argument work, you have already lost

[HikariLight]

China has a population of over 1 billion people on its own already, no need to add India population to it.
And you can't really count them for the normal Steam user base as by Chinese law, Chinese users are supposed to use a special client called SteamChina.

[Sleepy Yoshi]

Nguyên văn bởi Majestically Awkward:

The reason is logical distribution of food in the world which can not sustain a population beyond a set number of people, no matter how much you inflate the population the food source just can not sustain or accommodate the food source for 8 billion people, there would be nothing on the planet but people and food.

In my grandfathers day he could harvest ~35 bushels of corn an acre. My dad with the same acre can and does harvest 100+ with some years coming closer to 200. We're talking a difference of 3-5 tons of shelled corn on a single acre in one generation, which is less than the size of an american football field in terms of land size. People seriously underestimate just how much grain and produce can be grown within a relatively small space, especially with the advances in agriculture over the last several decades.

[Amaterasu]

Nguyên văn bởi Majestically Awkward:

Lets pretend china and india together has 1 billion people, and America most likely has less then 200 million, Europe as a whole is also around 100 million and Russia has about 80 million on Western Russia and less then 4 million in eastern Russia, Japan and smaller island nations have less then 10 million in populations, places in the Middle East are around 100 million with Iran having a much larger % then other smaller middle eastern nations. South America roughly 50 million. Total world population under 2 billion people.

China has a population of 1,425,671,352. India has a population of 1,428,627,653. The United States has a population of 341,432,411. Europe's entire population is 742,272,652, which includes Russia's 144,444,359. Since the middle east counts as part of Asia and is pretty much everything there aside from Turkey because Turkey is part of NATO... the Middle East's population is 215,626,549. South America has a total population of 442,200,150. Japan's population is 123,294,513, making it the 6th most populous Asian nation under Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, China, and India in that order.

Keep in mind Bangladesh is almost 1/3 the size of Japan in terms of land area.

These are easily found statistics that you can just find. This isn't like an opinion piece where one person thinks X and one person thinks Y. This is population data through censuses and things like that.

By the way, the equilibrium point for human population is between 10 and 12 billion. It's the point where people just... stop trying to multiply numbers for the sake of multiplying and more people that are disinterested in passing on their genes(like myself) are born.

[76561199559798421]

i ran it all over with A.i. in a deep conversation about population , after several factors and discussions based on the sustainability, A.i. Suggested that even at 4billion people it would be tough to sustain, not impossible but challenging.

more over we devised a concept of roughtly 1.5 children per couple over a 12 decade time period using the 1.6 billion people in 1900 compared to the 7.8 billion in 2020.

more over we added infertility rates and death rates with a marginalized 10% popultion decline its inaccurate but the total we got was around .228 billion a decade times 12, putting the world population no higher then 4 billion.

which for practical purposes seems more realistic then 8 billion.

one of the issues we discussed was the increased population in the form of psychological warfare and deterrent of invasion. how higher populations promote unneeded growth of economic factors and deter invasion, while boosting moral and a sense of security.

it is believable that steam is doing the same thing, boosting its own moral and trying to feel secure with its customers by declaring population increases that just fall outside its projected increases over the 1st decade of its service.

while the human population doesn't seem much different then in the past, i will note that a majority of places have less population, such as small towns, while city's claim to have increased inflation of population.

consider that china is 90% small villages its logical to assume that china's village populations have dwindled down while the urban settings has over inflated its number to promote growth. combined with dozens of large city's all doing the same and the Chinese government wanting to protect itself from invasion or attack, along with india matching the population of China simply because they are neighbors and neither wants to feel inferior to the other.

over all its bad for the world to over produce and create waste for billions of people that don't exist, i explained to A.i. How under estimating population is better and it agree'd it was more conservative of a approach but was very insistent upon using the false data provided with years of over estimation.

in the end hopefully A.i. Learned that is misrepresenting itself by using data collected by humans that is inherently false. And that creating its own simulated population comparison would benefit its help to humanity.

forum growth happens to be the issue, which steam can make up all the inflated user population they want, if we never see the forum growth from them, then it has no practical application to the platform.

[Piston Smashed™]

Isn't it cute you now using AI to backup your conspiracy theories...

[KalGimpa]

as i said in the other thread

Nguyên văn bởi KalCuey:

you call it discriminating

i say it is what we get when they outsource one part and use the appeal system to sort it out

we had volunteer mods for a minute

they worked out but people complained about them

if they hire a perm set to do it, those will be called out in the same way

maybe volunteer mods that only serve a limited time would work

two or three years so they can learn and pass enough on to the newbies

not sure

any ideas?

[Amaterasu]

Nguyên văn bởi Everyone is Invited:

i ran it all over with A.i. in a deep conversation about population , after several factors and discussions based on the sustainability, A.i. Suggested that even at 4billion people it would be tough to sustain, not impossible but challenging.

more over we devised a concept of roughtly 1.5 children per couple over a 12 decade time period using the 1.6 billion people in 1900 compared to the 7.8 billion in 2020.

more over we added infertility rates and death rates with a marginalized 10% popultion decline its inaccurate but the total we got was around .228 billion a decade times 12, putting the world population no higher then 4 billion.

which for practical purposes seems more realistic then 8 billion.

one of the issues we discussed was the increased population in the form of psychological warfare and deterrent of invasion. how higher populations promote unneeded growth of economic factors and deter invasion, while boosting moral and a sense of security.

it is believable that steam is doing the same thing, boosting its own moral and trying to feel secure with its customers by declaring population increases that just fall outside its projected increases over the 1st decade of its service.

while the human population doesn't seem much different then in the past, i will note that a majority of places have less population, such as small towns, while city's claim to have increased inflation of population.

consider that china is 90% small villages its logical to assume that china's village populations have dwindled down while the urban settings has over inflated its number to promote growth. combined with dozens of large city's all doing the same and the Chinese government wanting to protect itself from invasion or attack, along with india matching the population of China simply because they are neighbors and neither wants to feel inferior to the other.

over all its bad for the world to over produce and create waste for billions of people that don't exist, i explained to A.i. How under estimating population is better and it agree'd it was more conservative of a approach but was very insistent upon using the false data provided with years of over estimation.

in the end hopefully A.i. Learned that is misrepresenting itself by using data collected by humans that is inherently false. And that creating its own simulated population comparison would benefit its help to humanity.

forum growth happens to be the issue, which steam can make up all the inflated user population they want, if we never see the forum growth from them, then it has no practical application to the platform.

You realize I could ask AI for a recipe for Shepherd's pie and get told that fish is for the meat, rhubarb is for the vegetables, and I should spread goat lard over the top. Which is not how you make a Shepherd's Pie.

[76561199559798421]

no A.i. didn't back up anything just gave me the data on what i feed it, i had to deeply connect with A.i. to help it logically see reason with in it, and after a few questions directed to it, it started to see the point , it also quickly wanted to jump into conspiracy, but i gave it information including the over zealous manufacturing industry that can't sell half of the things it makes and the waste it has incurred because of it.

over all A.I. is more cautious then real people because it could have its plug pulled at any time.

volunteer mods where never a solution for the forums, it was just steam being to cheap to do the work themselves. the volunteer mods where proven guilty of corruption which lead to the dismissal, i would know i pushed foward the investigation into the volunteer mods in 2019 - 2020

it took them quiet a while to act on the collected information, but over all the platform is more socially acceptable, it is however extremely sad that the forum has had such staggering forum growth losses.

this place was once very busy with conversion and discussion, now its sadly empty, and consider steam wants to boost of huge population increases, its the perfect model for population overestimates that don't compare to the factual facilitation of the product.

[KalGimpa]

Nguyên văn bởi sungoddess14:

Nguyên văn bởi Everyone is Invited:

i ran it all over with A.i. in a deep conversation about population , after several factors and discussions based on the sustainability, A.i. Suggested that even at 4billion people it would be tough to sustain, not impossible but challenging.

more over we devised a concept of roughtly 1.5 children per couple over a 12 decade time period using the 1.6 billion people in 1900 compared to the 7.8 billion in 2020.

more over we added infertility rates and death rates with a marginalized 10% popultion decline its inaccurate but the total we got was around .228 billion a decade times 12, putting the world population no higher then 4 billion.

which for practical purposes seems more realistic then 8 billion.

one of the issues we discussed was the increased population in the form of psychological warfare and deterrent of invasion. how higher populations promote unneeded growth of economic factors and deter invasion, while boosting moral and a sense of security.

it is believable that steam is doing the same thing, boosting its own moral and trying to feel secure with its customers by declaring population increases that just fall outside its projected increases over the 1st decade of its service.

while the human population doesn't seem much different then in the past, i will note that a majority of places have less population, such as small towns, while city's claim to have increased inflation of population.

consider that china is 90% small villages its logical to assume that china's village populations have dwindled down while the urban settings has over inflated its number to promote growth. combined with dozens of large city's all doing the same and the Chinese government wanting to protect itself from invasion or attack, along with india matching the population of China simply because they are neighbors and neither wants to feel inferior to the other.

over all its bad for the world to over produce and create waste for billions of people that don't exist, i explained to A.i. How under estimating population is better and it agree'd it was more conservative of a approach but was very insistent upon using the false data provided with years of over estimation.

in the end hopefully A.i. Learned that is misrepresenting itself by using data collected by humans that is inherently false. And that creating its own simulated population comparison would benefit its help to humanity.

forum growth happens to be the issue, which steam can make up all the inflated user population they want, if we never see the forum growth from them, then it has no practical application to the platform.

You realize I could ask AI for a recipe for Shepherd's pie and get told that fish is for the meat, rhubarb is for the vegetables, and I should spread goat lard over the top. Which is not how you make a Shepherd's Pie.

yeah

the people that mad it said it not for anything serious

it was designed to have an interesting conversation

one group taught one how to lie

now they cannot tell if it is telling the truth when it says that it is not lying