Features steam needs to invest in instead of vanity crap like streaming!

[Tahl]

Like the title says!

Just stuff we think valve needs to ither address or should upgrade before some of the crap they have been doing this last year.
New features are AWESOME but I think there are some fundamentals still missing.

Ill start:

Forums are the biggest issue for me.

-If my thread is locked why can I not delete it? I know Group leaders can see deleted threads so steam staff def can. Idk why this is a thing at all. Locked threads should ither be able to be removed by the poster or removed by default.

-Trolling or grudge fighting. I think steam should implament some system that stops players on each others block lists from even seeing one anothers threads. What good comes of players who have had to go that far continuing to post on the others thread? None.

-Thread posters and thread controls. Im all for mods having devine right when it comes to threads final decisions IF NEEDED!!!!!! but otherwise why dont the thread posters themselves get veto power?
A commen problem for me when asking for help is when I literally state in my OP 'my drivers are up to date checked, duble checked and..... yeah checked again' followed by a direct request not to have people blame drivers without solid evidence only to have the first post say ''Are your drivers up to date?'' Complete honesty... It makes me want to kill something small and furry...
Youtube(worlds largest video community) allows people who post the first comment to moderate there own replies. Instead of fighting with people 99% of the time I simply remove stupid replies and move on.
Steam bans for the simplest things on some threads so why not bipass the problem?

-Clear rules laid out for steam mods to follow. Iv been banned many times for fair reasons but what absolutly violates my trust is the fact that people I was talking/arguing with do not get the same treatment.
I was litterally banned the other day for asking if someone was brain dead in direct responce to open and unhiden insults. I got banned he did not... Name calling... and I got banned for 'insults'. Ok fair but why is the person whos only 2 lines of text name calling at me not get banned?
Part of the comment stating ''You are a tool...'' was literally quoted in my ban notice. I got banned for calling someone childish for swearing people and got banend... 'childish'.... but 'Tool' doesnt count? Nor does the other guys swearing at multiple people?
I see this on a regular basis. Mods have dubble standards.
Mods need rules too... and the comunity they watch over should know them.

-Mods review tickets. I understand that valve staff cant deal with every red faced screamer who claims a mod abused there power but I think at the very least a system where 1 mod can review anothers decisions and pass it up if need is called for.
Mods are just players moderating other players so why arent they moderated as well?

-Deleted thread titles. At times Im active on 10-15 threads and one gets deleted its really hard to figure out which one it was. Even more so if there all simalur topics... maybe about a new game.
I just think having the title still available would be awesome.


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Anyway thats my opinion, discuss.
I also wanna hear what others think steam needs to focus on even if its already listed or they are working on it. Remember I talked about thread issues but anything goes.

[C4Warr10r]

I'm going to leave this one to the mods, other than to say that investing in the forums would be a pointless gesture. Forums are here for the sole purpose of generating interest in the service. So long as they are reasonably well-maintained, they serve their purpose.

To use them all you have to do is be reasonable. This is not a courthouse, not a government. I would suggest going there if you want to look for checks and balances on power.

[Tahl]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย C4Warr10r:

I'm going to leave this one to the mods, other than to say that investing in the forums would be a pointless gesture. Forums are here for the sole purpose of generating interest in the service. So long as they are reasonably well-maintained, they serve their purpose.

To use them all you have to do is be reasonable. This is not a courthouse, not a government. I would suggest going there if you want to look for checks and balances on power.

Idk who your talking to but 1 thats not the purpose of this thread. I asked for all opinions on things steam needs fixed. Directly asking for anything and you did exactly the oposite and trolled my opinions.

Exactly what I was talking about.

Second thing, I would really like it if you read more than 1 word a line before posting.

[Dendrobates Tinctorius]

I like how you want the ability to delete any comment you don't agree with and in the very next bullet point you complain about posts being deleted in what you consider an unfair manner.

[Tahl]

^ what are you talking about? Wanna quote that? Pritty sure your just strawmanning.. god its not even a full blow fight yet and you guys are already blowing logic out of the water.

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I also like the straming feature. I had some fun with warframe buddys messing around in chats reading each others conversations. But your missing the point I directly laid out... actually 2 layers of points... Whatever.

Trolled my opinions.
He gave his opinionated review of my opinions regaurding the topic instead of posting on the topic.

One of my biggest problems is that theres no buffer against people posting for the sake of posting.
Everyone seems so self involved that they feel the need to post on every topic they come acros dispite having nothing to actually say.
If I need/want to say something for myself its ither completely on topic or I make my own topic instead of... yes 'trolling' someone elses.

If you completely happy with steams survice simply say that or leave...
I mean this with as much respect as possible but why does everyone feel the need to post there opinion when its only capable of causeing issues?
Its fine if people dont agree with me but why do they need to tell me?

Nobody has to prove themslves... just move on if you not interested.

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If you have ways t improve steam I genuinly want to know but otherwise just move on.

[Dendrobates Tinctorius]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tsubuyak¡:

I mean this with as much respect as possible but why does everyone feel the need to post there opinion when its only capable of causeing issues?
Its fine if people dont agree with me but why do they need to tell me?

Why are you telling me this?

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tsubuyak¡:

^ what are you talking about? Wanna quote that? Pritty sure your just strawmanning.. god its not even a full blow fight yet and you guys are already blowing logic out of the water.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tsubuyak¡:

-Thread posters and thread controls. .....
Youtube(worlds largest video community) allows people who post the first comment to moderate there own replies. Instead of fighting with people 99% of the time I simply remove stupid replies and move on.
Steam bans for the simplest things on some threads so why not bipass the problem?

-Clear rules laid out for steam mods to follow. Iv been banned many times for fair reasons but what absolutly violates my trust is the fact that people I was talking/arguing with do not get the same treatment.
I was litterally banned the other day for asking if someone was brain dead in direct responce to open and unhiden insults. I got banned he did not... Name calling... and I got banned for 'insults'. Ok fair but why is the person whos only 2 lines of text name calling at me not get banned?
Part of the comment stating ''You are a tool...'' was literally quoted in my ban notice. I got banned for calling someone childish for swearing people and got banend... 'childish'.... but 'Tool' doesnt count? Nor does the other guys swearing at multiple people?
I see this on a regular basis. Mods have dubble standards.
Mods need rules too... and the comunity they watch over should know them.

Did you not read your own post?

[Tahl]

AHHHHA!!!!
Iv got a new one. This time its technical. (Iv actually got tons but lets start with one... general one.)

Wishlist.
I LOVE STEAM WISHLIST!!!!!
But man oh man does it need a technical ungrade.

-Removing games from it requirs a page refresh. Not to much of an issue when you first start using it but as I personally have over 300 games listed on it.... well it gets anoing.

-Error code.... I think its 404 or something. Anyway during steam sales I scroll through my list and check out many game store pages... HOWEVER when I try to go back a page about 75% of the time the wishlist is unavailable and I must reload from another location. Again not hard but anoying... even more so when I must refind my spot on the list to continue.

-Title placement. So Iv organised in a general sense... maybe the first 30 games on my list. These are games I know I want and would buy now if my finances were brighter. Anyway.. when I add a new game is appropriatly goes to the bottem... wait no it doesnt.
--Part 2: Games dont allways default to the bottem of the list which is extra anoying when I add a new fav and need to go hunting to find it.
--Anywho, once its found I then need to drag it up to the top(often top). This is very slow. The fasts way I know of is to use arrow key plus moving the mouse up to the top while scrolling but this is more like some Hcore fighting combo then a UI control.

Considering that the wishlist is directly related to steams sales for some it seems fair that it should recieve a review.
IMO.

[Dendrobates Tinctorius]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tsubuyak¡:

You questioned my post... very generally... would you like to narrow it down some or... can we move on to conversation that doesnt involve a lot of blank stares?

No, not really.

I've made two comments about your posts. In the first one, I noted that you wanted the ability to delete comments from others but in the next bullet point you complained about posts being deleted unfairly. You then asked (me?) to quote the relevant portion of your post, so I did.

In my second post I also quoted a post of yours where you shared your opinion that you should not have to listen to other people's opinions, and I asked why you were sharing that opinion.

[Tahl]

You do realise your own logic is circular dont you....

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dendrobates Tinctorius:

1:)...I noted that you wanted the ability to delete comments from others but in the next bullet point you complained about posts being deleted unfairly.
2:)You then asked (me?) to quote the relevant portion of your post, so I did.

1:) Whats your point? Oh dont get me wrong I understand what your shooting for and its a strawman fallacy but I want to see if youl catch that or jsut keep tripping over it.
You are re-writing point A and point B to mean the same thing when I gave a vast amount of info and examples explaining each.
You are re-writing my logic to suit your question. Your literal question doesnt actually apply to anything that I said.

I said users should be able to have a degree of mod power over there own posts. Your question suggests I then complained about users deleting each others posts. You have yet to quote that.
I wont play games though... you cant quote that because I didnt say it.

2:)The only thing you have quoted up until this point is nearly an entire post. If you really think asking generic questions about my... addmittedly WallOText, posts is something that can be replied to then you are mistaken.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dendrobates Tinctorius:

In my second post I also quoted a post of yours where you shared your opinion that you should not have to listen to other people's opinions, and I asked why you were sharing that opinion.

Again you are twisting and re-writing context for my posts.
This is a strawman fallacy and holds no weight.
Theres only so much logical review I can even do with this lvl of commenting.

The closests thing I said to this would involve the idea of OP vs fighting posts.
If someone posts there opinion in a new thread as I said I do... and have done here... thats fair. I cut out my own slice of internet and posted my thoughts. I would also love to hear others on the TOPIC.
Healthy conversation with like minded people.
People responding with conflicting opinions arnt welcome. Im not h8ing, Im not gonna chase down there threads... I dont go to threads I dont agree with and post just to argue with someone.
I dont go to OTHERS THREADS and post my personal review of there opinions.

If you want to post, post about the topic... dont argue or disagree with people jsut for the sake of arguing.
That is not what it means to 'add to the conversation'.

I did not say ' dont post opinions only Im allowed to do that'. I am pointing whats socially exceptable. If you feel strongly enough to argue make your own thread where I wont be and I wont argue you... thats what I said.

Im looking for healthy conversation with like minded people. If there are not any to be found than I should never be replied to.
This is a public thread yes, but it was designed with a purpose. Arguing with the OP is violating that purpose.

Commen sense please.

[HLCinSC]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tsubuyak¡:

Like the title says!

Forums are the biggest issue for me.

-If my thread is locked why can I not delete it? I know Group leaders can see deleted threads so steam staff def can. Idk why this is a thing at all. Locked threads should ither be able to be removed by the poster or removed by default.

Anyway thats my opinion, discuss.
I also wanna hear what others think steam needs to focus on even if its already listed or they are working on it. Remember I talked about thread issues but anything goes.

This thread is probably too broad to allow proper discussions on your ideas, but I can tell you spent a long time thinking about and preparing your critiques. So I'll just comment bit by bit on ideas presented hopefully the discussions will remain on topic. So before I go to bed I will address the first one.

Unless a thread is pure bile and hate speech, it should still be findable. For example Guy A has problem X and Guy B solves it and Mod C locks thread. If guy A wanted to delete the post because he no longer has the problem, then future users may have a harder time tracking down the solution.

Also, the first thing before posting you are supposed to do is search to see if your topic has been covered and debate has ended. From what I see, threads are locked mainly due to topic duplication or policy violation.Some should be deleted at the mod's discretion while allowing others to stay as research aids for people looking for further info. Unfortunately the steam forum search engine does not work very well. I use google to search within the forum's domain rather than within Steam itself because I find it to be much better at finding threads with specific info.

[Dendrobates Tinctorius]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tsubuyak¡:

You do realise your own logic is circular dont you....

No.

I said users should be able to have a degree of mod power over there own posts. Your question suggests I then complained about users deleting each others posts. You have yet to quote that.

The very next bullet point you're complaining about moderators (i.e. users with mod power) treating you unfairly. Presumably they deleted your offending posts when they banned you. I quoted most of both of those points.

Both cases are about users being able to control others' contributions, but in one case you want more unsupervised power, and in the other you want the opposite.

2:)The only thing you have quoted up until this point is nearly an entire post. If you really think asking generic questions about my... addmittedly WallOText, posts is something that can be replied to then you are mistaken.

I quoted the two bullet points you asked me too. I identified them by their having a hyphen at the beginning of a block of text. Not sure what you're confused about here.

Again you are twisting and re-writing context for my posts.
This is a strawman fallacy and holds no weight.
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People responding with conflicting opinions arnt welcome.

Yeah, so when you restate what you've been accused of saying to say exactly the same thing as before, that doesn't help your case. You're literally asking for everyone to either agree with you or shut up (or make a thousand threads on the exact same topic because everyone disagrees about something, which is called spamming). But why should anyone tolerate your thread sitting there and taunting them if you can't handle disagreement?

[Tahl]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Hayden:

Unless a thread is pure bile and hate speech, it should still be findable. For example Guy A has problem X and Guy B solves it and Mod C locks thread. If guy A wanted to delete the post because he no longer has the problem, then future users may have a harder time tracking down the solution.

Yeah I agree. I know I wasnt 100% clear when suggesting two points I believe may have been seperated a bit... anyway thats what I ment by Devine right on the part of the mods.
They can have the final say.

Again I know I didnt give an example but once or twice I have had help threads of mine locked because idiots broke out fighting on it and instead of being able to close what amounts to little more than an embarasing black mark on my notifacation sceen it forever sits in the discussion list.
Its little more than spam but I (The OP) cant remove it.

Anyway its not a huge issue but if I ever bring up the problem again it royal pisses me off when one of those idiots links the old thread and reignights the fight.

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As for the second part about searching a topic before posting I know again I made no comment but 99% of the time I dont post unless I cant find a fix elswear.
Most of the problematic areas are known to me and if possible I try to avoid them first... then ask if thats all I got left.

Occasionally it has alt reasons for steam thread or onces or twice Iv posted just cause Im dead tied and hope be mourning someone will have done the work for me.
:P

But so we are clear Im not complaining about those threads and what may or may not happen there. If Im asking for it then im asking for it.

[HLCinSC]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tsubuyak¡:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Hayden:

Unless a thread is pure bile and hate speech, it should still be findable. For example Guy A has problem X and Guy B solves it and Mod C locks thread. If guy A wanted to delete the post because he no longer has the problem, then future users may have a harder time tracking down the solution.

Yeah I agree. I know I wasnt 100% clear when suggesting two points I believe may have been seperated a bit... anyway thats what I ment by Devine right on the part of the mods.
They can have the final say.

Again I know I didnt give an example but once or twice I have had help threads of mine locked because idiots broke out fighting on it and instead of being able to close what amounts to little more than an embarasing black mark on my notifacation sceen it forever sits in the discussion list.
Its little more than spam but I (The OP) cant remove it.

Anyway its not a huge issue but if I ever bring up the problem again it royal pisses me off when one of those idiots links the old thread and reignights the fight.

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As for the second part about searching a topic before posting I know again I made no comment but 99% of the time I dont post unless I cant find a fix elswear.
Most of the problematic areas are known to me and if possible I try to avoid them first... then ask if thats all I got left.

Occasionally it has alt reasons for steam thread or onces or twice Iv posted just cause Im dead tied and hope be mourning someone will have done the work for me.
:P

But so we are clear Im not complaining about those threads and what may or may not happen there. If Im asking for it then im asking for it.

Yeah I didn't intend for you to be any of the examples/cases I mentioned. I was just presenting complications or arguments for the actual suggestion you were making. There's plenty that could be done for better transparency like a one line comment as to why a thread is locked by a mod. Some are obvious but others it's really a guessing game. They say it is not the best use of their limited time but I still think it is worth implementing. If the mods are so overloaded maybe it is time they suggest to the powers at Steam to appoint more community moderation in order to lower the mod's work load and hopefully improve moderation, communication, and the forums as a whole.

[Tahl]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Hayden:

Yeah I didn't intend for you to be any of the examples/cases I mentioned. I was just presenting complications or arguments for the actual suggestion you were making. There's plenty that could be done for better transparency like a one line comment as to why a thread is locked by a mod. Some are obvious but others it's really a guessing game. They say it is not the best use of their limited time but I still think it is worth implementing. If the mods are so overloaded maybe it is time they suggest to the powers at Steam to appoint more community moderation in order to lower the mod's work load and hopefully improve moderation, communication, and the forums as a whole.

Yeah, I mean there mostly volentiers as far as I know.
I also pritty sure that some game Forums have there own mods via the dev team.

I think game devs can mod there own community the same way a group leader can theres.

Did you know that a thread mod(group leaders even) can actually go in and completely re-write users posts.
I had a friend ask a question about a game in a group I created for it and I answerd her INSIDE her own comment box.
I can see good uses but it seems like that feature could do more harm then good overall...

But yeah its all good Food4Though.

[HLCinSC]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tsubuyak¡:

Did you know that a thread mod(group leaders even) can actually go in and completely re-write users posts.
I had a friend ask a question about a game in a group I created for it and I answerd her INSIDE her own comment box.
I can see good uses but it seems like that feature could do more harm then good overall...

But yeah its all good Food4Though.

Yeah a lot of times it is to edit out profanity,phishing links, or profile links from people claiming they were scammed. If a mod edits your post it should still say "Last edited by Mod X ; Y minutes ago" on the bottom like you can see on my post here. I'm out for the night. Peace.

[Tahl]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Hayden:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tsubuyak¡:

Did you know that a thread mod(group leaders even) can actually go in and completely re-write users posts.
I had a friend ask a question about a game in a group I created for it and I answerd her INSIDE her own comment box.
I can see good uses but it seems like that feature could do more harm then good overall...

But yeah its all good Food4Though.

Yeah a lot of times it is to edit out profanity,phishing links, or profile links from people claiming they were scammed. If a mod edits your post it should still say "Last edited by Mod X ; Y minutes ago"

Personally I thought most of that stuff warrented deletion.
Phishing links... scams... thats not only against rules but often illegal.

I mean I got banned once for saying someone was acting childish. 'Childish'. He was attacking anyone who called him out.
He posted a thread about a mod he had created and a donation link for himself.
What he failed to note was that the mod no longer worked with the current version of the game and 20 some odd people told him he was not clear about a vary important fact. He attacked anying who mentioned it and refused to change the thread info or remove the mod/donation link.
Sry I wasnt clear. He got anoyed by people posting about the mod not working but refused to change the thread title/info to solve the problem at the source... hence 'childish'.

Anyway my point is steam mods ban for the little things. I would really like more consistancy from them.