Force Irdeto employees to out themselves as such before posting anywhere on the boards

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They have a lot of propagandists defending their garbage around here, so I figure rather than let them run free and spread misinformation, they should have to be labeled as employees of Irdeto before posting. If they don't, then Irdeto should face harsh consequences for spreading misinformation online on the behalf of their performance-impacting middleware.

Fair's fair.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Garbage původně napsal:

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

You want transparency whilst having zero transparency yourself with the private profile, and deleted name history. (Yes, I can see your little persona based username from 2022 you used while brigading their forums with the Denuvo rhetoric.)

Yep. I'm not an industry worker. As well, all I was asking for is a simple badge, not a harassment campaign.

I agree with you that gamers are vitriolic asses at points. However, this suggestion came from a place of wanting corporate transparency from Valve and all whonare partnered with them. There is no equivalence between private users and business partners with a potential agenda.

As for names? I am Garbage. You are Leonardo da Pinchi. I am not asking for Magnus the Irdeto Employee; I am asking that Ballergamer2026 or whatever have it be known that he has corporate vested interest before posting on the behalf of that interest.

Youtubers are required to say they are sponsored before advertising a product. Same principle.

If you believe there is any chance of harassment to anyone, I will concede to your argument instantly. However, I would love to hear your thoughts to an alternative.

PS: the profile isn't private; it's friends only.

Y'see the issue is, you want an excuse to dismiss folks and what they say. Which is why you default to that "paid actor" fallacy in the first place.

[Nx Machina]

Garbage původně napsal:

Your imagination is extremely lacking. My intent is to have people who have an agenda be made to be transparent about their matters.

Stop accusing me of this extremism. We should be able to filter misinformation on these forums with greater ease.

You think Valve employees or other devs are made to feel unsafe because of their badges? I am asking for a new badge for them for the sake of transparency, not harassment.

I will report you if you accuse me of this again, because these baseless accusations are harassment.

Your agenda is to know who are Irdeto employees whilst you remain anonymous and yet as you stated Fair's fair so who do you work for.

Your second agenda is:

Garbage původně napsal:

They have a lot of propagandists defending their garbage around here

In other words your stance is anyone who does not affirm your opinion about Irdeto is either an employee or a paid shill and as someone who has had zero issues with any game i have in my library which uses Denuvo, i am neither.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

I don't see anyone in the "Now remove denuvo devs" thread that is an employee of their game/company.

I do see a lot of people accusing others of being paid posters.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

I'm curious how OP would react if this were to roll out, and the users he's personally labeled as propagandists/employees, aren't marked as such. Would he cry foul, and say it's a broken system, or would he move the goalpost and find another reason to discredit what they say?

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Nx Machina původně napsal:

Garbage původně napsal:

Your imagination is extremely lacking. My intent is to have people who have an agenda be made to be transparent about their matters.

Stop accusing me of this extremism. We should be able to filter misinformation on these forums with greater ease.

You think Valve employees or other devs are made to feel unsafe because of their badges? I am asking for a new badge for them for the sake of transparency, not harassment.

I will report you if you accuse me of this again, because these baseless accusations are harassment.

Your agenda is to know who are Irdeto employees whilst you remain anonymous and yet as you stated Fair's fair so who do you work for.

Your second agenda is:

Garbage původně napsal:

They have a lot of propagandists defending their garbage around here

In other words you stance is "anyone who does not affirm your opinion about Irdeto is either an employee or a paid shill, and as someone who has had zero issues with any game i have in my library which uses Denuvo, i can i am neither.

You aren't reading the rest of the thread and the points already presented. It's not about any "agenda"; it's about transparency. I don't sell product through Steam. If I did, I'd demand a dev badge right away so people would know exactly what my affiliates are within this network.

If I were a youtuber, I'd disclose my sponsors. If I were a lobbyist, I would disclose that. Why are others exempt?

[Nx Machina]

Garbage původně napsal:

You aren't reading the rest of the thread and the points already presented. It's not about any "agenda"; it's about transparency. I don't sell product through Steam. If I did, I'd demand a dev badge right away so people would know exactly what my affiliates are within this network.

If I were a youtuber, I'd disclose my sponsors. If I were a lobbyist, I would disclose that. Why are others exempt?

Transparency?

Irdeto do not produce games as you already know, therefore there is zero reason to know who is an Irdeto employee beyond you wanting to out them as you put it in the thread title:

Force Irdeto employees to out themselves as such before posting anywhere on the boards

Irdeto have zero reason to post in game hubs, but acknowledging that would break your conspiracy theory of Irdeto employees and paid shills.

If you were forced to reveal who you worked for you would be up in arms and defend your right not to, which goes against your stance of Fair's fair.

[Pierce Dalton]

That's a really funny conversation, I guess by the logic of some here the moderators are doxxing themselves?

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

For all we know, OP works for another DRM community, or is an Empress stan with a personal investment in piracy.

Is it likely? No. Is there a chance of it happening? Yes. And yes, "Fair's Fair", after all.

[Tito Shivan]

Garbage původně napsal:

Force Irdeto employees to out themselves as such before posting anywhere on the boards

Maybe they already are?

I'm quite confident these 'employees' that run around the forum share quite a lot with Santa.

[Nx Machina]

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

:WH3_greasus_rofl: That's a really funny conversation, I guess by the logic of some here the moderators are doxxing themselves?

Are you basing that on the conspiracy theory that certain posters are undercover Valve employees and or friends with the moderation team who do not interact on the forums, because they are not getting banned, after all a conspiracy theory by definition is unproven.

[Pierce Dalton]

Nx Machina původně napsal:

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

That's a really funny conversation, I guess by the logic of some here the moderators are doxxing themselves?

Are you basing on that on the conspiracy theory that certain posters are undercover Valve employees and or friends with the moderation team who do not interact on the forums, because they are not getting banned, after all a conspiracy theory by definition is unproven.

What?

I'm talking about the mods that lock threads.

[Crashed]

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

Nx Machina původně napsal:

Are you basing on that on the conspiracy theory that certain posters are undercover Valve employees and or friends with the moderation team who do not interact on the forums, because they are not getting banned, after all a conspiracy theory by definition is unproven.

What?

I'm talking about the mods that lock threads.

And the badge on their profile name only states that they have privileges. A lot of developers will have personal accounts but use their dev accounts solely for privileged operations or official posts.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Crashed původně napsal:

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

What?

I'm talking about the mods that lock threads.

And the badge on their profile name only states that they have privileges. A lot of developers will have personal accounts but use their dev accounts solely for privileged operations or official posts.

He's likely talking Valve official employees, and the valve badge/indicator on their public/official profiles.

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As a quick aside, bar the accusations, I really appreciate everyone's input in this thread. Leonardo especially gets my respect for partially changing my mind on this matter. He's right in that harassment may pose a massive issue.

[Tanoomba]

Garbage původně napsal:

Your imagination is extremely lacking. My intent is to have people who have an agenda be made to be transparent about their matters.

Stop accusing me of this extremism. We should be able to filter misinformation on these forums with greater ease.

If people are spreading misinformation, then address what they're saying on its own merits. What you're asking for is a way to dismiss what someone is saying without having to address it, which is not how good-faith discourse works.