Provide More Details In Alerts For Windows and MacOS Steam Opreating System EOL Notices Like On Linux

[KSPC]

Everytime Steam drops support for a Windows or macOS version, you hear an outcry of people saying that nothing changed and valve is only doing this to f-over me, and they're paid by Microsoft, etc.


Currently on Windows/Mac, the alert goes "Steam will stop running on x OS in y days".

For Linux, it goes "Steam will drop support for x library in y days"


My suggestion is to state why this happening, for example:

"Steam will drop support for your [OS] in [Y], due to Chromium (or whatever) dropping support"


This would help people understand why you're doing this. Since some people really believe there is malicious intent.

[Satoru]

I mean its not because of Chromium

Its because those OS are out of support.

The people whining about this dont care 'why'. If they cared about 'why' they woudln't be running an unsupported OS and be complaining about it.

[KSPC]

Satoru původně napsal:

I mean its not because of Chromium

Its because those OS are out of support.

The people whining about this don't care 'why'. If they cared about 'why' they wouldn't be running an unsupported OS and be complaining about it.

No, this is one of the key reasons why Steam drops support. When Chromium drops support, Steam will drop support. Windows XP stopped being supported in 2014, however valve continued support for years after, as Chromium only dropped support in around 2016 (granted this is before Steam went almost full Chromium).

But the reason why apps tend to drop support, is more due to libraries and such dropping support, rather than specifically because that operating system is no longer supported.

If you can keep supporting an operating system with no changes, most companies will. But when it becomes an inconvenience and more and more things drop support. They stop.

I find it more people complain about it out of ignorance, rather than them just love complaining. I understand where you're coming from, and you're not entirely wrong.

[Anonymous Helper]

KSPC původně napsal:

Satoru původně napsal:

I mean its not because of Chromium

Its because those OS are out of support.

The people whining about this don't care 'why'. If they cared about 'why' they wouldn't be running an unsupported OS and be complaining about it.

No, this is one of the key reasons why Steam drops support. When Chromium drops support, Steam will drop support.

And Google drops support for old operating systems in Chromium because they are no longer supported by their creators.

[KSPC]

Anonymous Helper původně napsal:

KSPC původně napsal:

No, this is one of the key reasons why Steam drops support. When Chromium drops support, Steam will drop support.

And Google drops support for old operating systems in Chromium because they are no longer supported by their creators.

Okay? I am talking about Steam. I dont know what's y'alls point here. I'm saying that alerts should say why they're dropping the operating system. For example chromium is out of support. I am not arguing why Google is dropping support? Did I say that Google shouldn't drop support, no, did I say Valve should continue support for old operating systems? No. This is a very single idea that popped into my head after seeing someone whining about windows 7 steam dropping support.

[Nx Machina]

They did state why in the FAQ for Windows 7, 8.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A

Existing Steam Client installations on these operating systems will no longer receive updates of any kind including security updates.

This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

The alert is merely stating when support is dropped.

[KSPC]

Nx Machina původně napsal:

They did state why in the FAQ for Windows 7, 8.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A

Existing Steam Client installations on these operating systems will no longer receive updates of any kind including security updates.

This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

The alert is merely stating when support is dropped.

Yes, that's great. But the issue is people just read the alerts unfortunately. How Linux does it is better as it tells you there so no one is going to post screenshots and whine about Valve is doing this to hurt me.

[Nx Machina]

KSPC původně napsal:

Yes, that's great. But the issue is people just read the alerts unfortunately. How Linux does it is better as it tells you there so no one is going to post screenshots and whine about Valve is doing this to hurt me.

As far as i remember it was shown in newsfeed on the client when Valve first announced it even if you were on Windows 10 for example or maybe it was a pop-up.

[Princess Luna]

KSPC původně napsal:

"Steam will drop support for your [OS] in [Y], due to Chromium (or whatever) dropping support"

Please explain me - the average Steam user - why does Steam even need Chromium. Why do a Win applciation is fully dependent on Google web browser?
Cant they code own browser functions using C/Java?

KSPC původně napsal:

This would help people understand why you're doing this. Since some people really believe there is malicious intent.

Is is not? I still dont understand

Currently On win 7 I see "Steam wil stop running on Widows 7 in 0 days"
Ok and? Just leave this insaller for W7 - remove the warning and do not update it
Is that so hard?

[Ben Lubar]

Princess Luna původně napsal:

KSPC původně napsal:

"Steam will drop support for your [OS] in [Y], due to Chromium (or whatever) dropping support"

Please explain me - the average Steam user - why does Steam even need Chromium. Why do a Win applciation is fully dependent on Google web browser?
Cant they code own browser functions using C/Java?

Chromium has about 32 million lines of code. Mozilla's rendering engine, Gecko, has about 21 million lines of code.

It's not the kind of thing that can be knocked out by one programmer in one afternoon. We're talking about something bigger than most entire game engines.

And it's security-critical too. Websites can run arbitrary code. If that gets access to your system, it's very bad.

[Princess Luna]

Ben Lubar původně napsal:

Princess Luna původně napsal:

Please explain me - the average Steam user - why does Steam even need Chromium. Why do a Win applciation is fully dependent on Google web browser?
Cant they code own browser functions using C/Java?

Chromium has about 32 million lines of code. Mozilla's rendering engine, Gecko, has about 21 million lines of code.

It's not the kind of thing that can be knocked out by one programmer in one afternoon. We're talking about something bigger than most entire game engines.

And it's security-critical too. Websites can run arbitrary code. If that gets access to your system, it's very bad.

If I use Win 7 thats my conscious choice or maybe I cant change it
Please stop trying to force me to leave w7 under the pretence that WIn 7 is old
I am responsible for my PC not Steam/Valve.

[libadwaita (she/her)]

Princess Luna původně napsal:

Ben Lubar původně napsal:

Chromium has about 32 million lines of code. Mozilla's rendering engine, Gecko, has about 21 million lines of code.

It's not the kind of thing that can be knocked out by one programmer in one afternoon. We're talking about something bigger than most entire game engines.

And it's security-critical too. Websites can run arbitrary code. If that gets access to your system, it's very bad.

If I use Win 7 thats my conscious choice or maybe I cant change it
Please stop trying to force me to leave w7 under the pretence that WIn 7 is old
I am responsible for my PC not Steam/Valve.

It is your choice, but you have to live with the consequences of using an operating system that has been end of life for many times longer than most operating systems live in the first place.

How many people are still running Fedora 12, openSUSE 11.2, Mac OS X 10.6, or Ubuntu 9.10 as their main operating system nowdays? All those operating systems died before Windows 8.1 was released yet they all released around the same time that Windows 7 did. You should consider yourself lucky that Microsoft decided to support Windows 7 for over 10 years, and that Steam has continued to run for long after that even.

There's rarely a reason for a home user to run Windows 7 nowadays anymore.

[Princess Luna]

libadwaita (she/her) původně napsal:

Princess Luna původně napsal:

If I use Win 7 thats my conscious choice or maybe I cant change it
Please stop trying to force me to leave w7 under the pretence that WIn 7 is old
I am responsible for my PC not Steam/Valve.

It is your choice, but you have to live with the consequences of using an operating system that has been end of life for many times longer than most operating systems live in the first place.

How many people are still running Fedora 12, openSUSE 11.2, Mac OS X 10.6, or Ubuntu 9.10 as their main operating system nowdays? All those operating systems died before Windows 8.1 was released yet they all released around the same time that Windows 7 did. You should consider yourself lucky that Microsoft decided to support Windows 7 for over 10 years, and that Steam has continued to run for long after that even.

There's rarely a reason for a home user to run Windows 7 nowadays anymore.

yes WIn 7 is my conscious choice.
NOw can Valve please stop pretending to care about my security?

[libadwaita (she/her)]

Princess Luna původně napsal:

libadwaita (she/her) původně napsal:

It is your choice, but you have to live with the consequences of using an operating system that has been end of life for many times longer than most operating systems live in the first place.

How many people are still running Fedora 12, openSUSE 11.2, Mac OS X 10.6, or Ubuntu 9.10 as their main operating system nowdays? All those operating systems died before Windows 8.1 was released yet they all released around the same time that Windows 7 did. You should consider yourself lucky that Microsoft decided to support Windows 7 for over 10 years, and that Steam has continued to run for long after that even.

There's rarely a reason for a home user to run Windows 7 nowadays anymore.

yes WIn 7 is my conscious choice.
NOw can Valve please stop pretending to care about my security?

Again, you have to deal with the consequences of using an operating system that's been EOL for over 5 years.

It's not just your security that they would be sacrificing, everyone no matter what operating system would have to run an outdated and insecure version of CEF just to continue supporting Windows 7.

Considering how many people use Steam, that is a lawsuit that is waiting to happen once a bad enough security vulnerability in Chromium is discovered and exploited via the latest version of Steam.

[BJWyler]

Princess Luna původně napsal:

libadwaita (she/her) původně napsal:

It is your choice, but you have to live with the consequences of using an operating system that has been end of life for many times longer than most operating systems live in the first place.

How many people are still running Fedora 12, openSUSE 11.2, Mac OS X 10.6, or Ubuntu 9.10 as their main operating system nowdays? All those operating systems died before Windows 8.1 was released yet they all released around the same time that Windows 7 did. You should consider yourself lucky that Microsoft decided to support Windows 7 for over 10 years, and that Steam has continued to run for long after that even.

There's rarely a reason for a home user to run Windows 7 nowadays anymore.

yes WIn 7 is my conscious choice.
NOw can Valve please stop pretending to care about my security?

Valve don't care about your security. They care about theirs, and the rest of us care about ours. Anyone can use whatever OS they darn well please, but I want Steam up to date and ensuring the current and future security of the platform. If that means those people get screwed over because they refuse to update, well too bad so sad. The world isn't, and shouldn't, stop because they can't get out of the way with their horse and buggy. The high performance car is going to run them down, as well it should, so the rest of us can keep on moving.

[nullable]

Princess Luna původně napsal:

yes WIn 7 is my conscious choice.
NOw can Valve please stop pretending to care about my security?

And it's Valve's conscious choice to stop supporting Win98/ME/26/XP/V7/8 on their platform. And you accepted that when you signed up, where Valve states Steam's systems requirements may change.

The world ain't gonna revolve around your "conscious choices", so carrying on like your argument means anything is the epitome of delusion.

Princess Luna původně napsal:

KSPC původně napsal:

"Steam will drop support for your [OS] in [Y], due to Chromium (or whatever) dropping support"

Please explain me - the average Steam user - why does Steam even need Chromium. Why do a Win applciation is fully dependent on Google web browser?
Cant they code own browser functions using C/Java?

KSPC původně napsal:

This would help people understand why you're doing this. Since some people really believe there is malicious intent.

Is is not? I still dont understand

Currently On win 7 I see "Steam wil stop running on Widows 7 in 0 days"
Ok and? Just leave this insaller for W7 - remove the warning and do not update it
Is that so hard?

There's not much point writing features and code from scratch when someone else has done it better and has years of development, testing and refinement in their version. It usually only makes sense to write the bits you specifically need solely for your process/service.

Writing a million lines of code, let alone millions isn't just some trivial project. Especially when you're talking about a web browser.