Game and other feedback

[Tactrix]

Can you please switch the system from positive and negative to a rating system? 1-10 will be fine. Positive and negative is extremely outdated, I think the majority if not the entire community will agree with me when I say that every single game I've ever played has some flaws but that doesn't mean it should be a negative and visa versa. It would be so much easier to rate something at 7/10 instead of rating it "positive" and HOPING someone will look at my review of what it actually is.

[Nx Machina]

You are asked a question.

Do you recommend this game to other players. The answer is either yes or no and in the text box you explain why.

You can recommend a game despite it's flaws and not recommend one because of them.

Recommend: To endorse or not.

As for a rating.

5) Highly recommended.
4) Recommended
3) Has issues not recommended.
2) Avoid not recommended.
1) Doubly avoid not recommended.

[Tactrix]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

You are asked a question.

Do you recommend this game to other players. The answer is either yes or no and in the text box you explain why.

You can recommend a game despite it's flaws and not recommend one because of them.

Recommend: To endorse or not.

As for a rating.

5) Highly recommended.
4) Recommended
3) Has issues not recommended.
2) Avoid not recommended.
1) Doubly avoid not recommended.

The thing is steams recommendations in games are not based on your actual recommendation, it's based on the combined number of recommendations. So if 1000 people recommend it but all think the game needs improvements in certain areas, it will still read out as overwhelmingly positive, which is incorrect.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Tactrix:

The thing is steams recommendations in games are not based on your actual recommendation, it's based on the combined number of recommendations. So if 1000 people recommend it but all think the game needs improvements in certain areas, it will still read out as overwhelmingly positive, which is incorrect.

Incorrect? If they recommend it then it is a good game despite some flaws hence why it is overwhelmingly positive.

So we go back to:

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

You are asked a question.

Do you recommend this game to other players. The answer is either yes or no and in the text box you explain why.

You can recommend a game despite it's flaws and not recommend one because of them.

Recommend: To endorse or not.

And:

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

As for a rating.

5) Highly recommended.
4) Recommended
3) Has issues not recommended.
2) Avoid not recommended.
1) Doubly avoid not recommended.

5 and 4 are by definition recommended whereas 3, 2 and 1 are not recommended because they do not have small flaws they have major ones.

[Tactrix]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Tactrix:

The thing is steams recommendations in games are not based on your actual recommendation, it's based on the combined number of recommendations. So if 1000 people recommend it but all think the game needs improvements in certain areas, it will still read out as overwhelmingly positive, which is incorrect.

Incorrect? If they recommend it then it is a good game despite some flaws hence why it is overwhelmingly positive.

So we go back to:

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

You are asked a question.

Do you recommend this game to other players. The answer is either yes or no and in the text box you explain why.

You can recommend a game despite it's flaws and not recommend one because of them.

Recommend: To endorse or not.

And:

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

As for a rating.

5) Highly recommended.
4) Recommended
3) Has issues not recommended.
2) Avoid not recommended.
1) Doubly avoid not recommended.

5 and 4 are by definition recommended whereas 3, 2 and 1 are not recommended because they do not have small flaws they have major ones.

You've missed the entire point, the system you're talking about is NOT the system that exists right now. The only system that exists right now is positive and negative with an explanation. Which while great if someone is willing to scroll and find your comment, is absolutely worthless in the context of browsing a game and seeing an honest review at the top of the page where it actually says how many people like the game. Because you won't see that 1000 people like the game and the reasons why, all you'll see is that 1000 people like the game. That's a wildly inaccurate representation.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Tactrix:

Can you please switch the system from positive and negative to a rating system? 1-10 will be fine. Positive and negative is extremely outdated,

Except that its the reverse. Rating systems as you describe are the ones that are outdated for entertainment. I mean look at Metacritic. It has a 1-10 system and its so useless as to be a meme.

Originally posted by Tactrix:

I think the majority if not the entire community will agree with me when I say that every single game I've ever played has some flaws but that doesn't mean it should be a negative and visa versa. It would be so much easier to rate something at 7/10 instead of rating it "positive" and HOPING someone will look at my review of what it actually is.

Positive or negative doesn't mean you LOVE it and the game is PERFECT without flaws. It jjust means it left you with a positive impression INSPITE OF IT'S FLAWS. And Vice versa. Try to exercise some of that nuance in thought and evaluation.

[Tactrix]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by Tactrix:

Can you please switch the system from positive and negative to a rating system? 1-10 will be fine. Positive and negative is extremely outdated,

Except that its the reverse. Rating systems as you describe are the ones that are outdated for entertainment. I mean look at Metacritic. It has a 1-10 system and its so useless as to be a meme.

Originally posted by Tactrix:

I think the majority if not the entire community will agree with me when I say that every single game I've ever played has some flaws but that doesn't mean it should be a negative and visa versa. It would be so much easier to rate something at 7/10 instead of rating it "positive" and HOPING someone will look at my review of what it actually is.

Positive or negative doesn't mean you LOVE it and the game is PERFECT without flaws. It jjust means it left you with a positive impression INSPITE OF IT'S FLAWS. And Vice versa. Try to exercise some of that nuance in thought and evaluation.

Metacritic became a meme because they didn't have fair reviewers, they were paid off to be skewed. Their system was actually really good when it was a fair review. And I'll demonstrate how the 1-10 system is infinitely better than positive and negative.

if you have a game and when you look at the top where it says positive or negative it says 7/10, now you know to check what those 3 points have been knocked down for. If on the other hand it says positive review fairly positive, it doesn't really sound like there's any need to check, since it feels like it actually is fairly positive. The degree of description matters, and first impressions matter, the only time people are inclined to check what the reviewers are actually liking and disliking is when the text is anything less than blue, so mixed is a good example where they start checking, but by that point it's already obvious the game isn't very good.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Tactrix:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Except that its the reverse. Rating systems as you describe are the ones that are outdated for entertainment. I mean look at Metacritic. It has a 1-10 system and its so useless as to be a meme.



Positive or negative doesn't mean you LOVE it and the game is PERFECT without flaws. It jjust means it left you with a positive impression INSPITE OF IT'S FLAWS. And Vice versa. Try to exercise some of that nuance in thought and evaluation.

Metacritic became a meme because they didn't have fair reviewers, they were paid off to be skewed. Their system was actually really good when it was a fair review. And I'll demonstrate how the 1-10 system is infinitely better than positive and negative.

So all those user reviews were paid off?
yeah. i don't even think EA haspockets that deep.

Originally posted by Tactrix:

if you have a game and when you look at the top where it says positive or negative it says 7/10, now you know to check what those 3 points have been knocked down for.

You make it sound like any two reviewers will have the same issues. That's not gonna happen. There is no objective means of measuring ebntertainment value to that level of precision. Ttrying to use a points system like that just gives the illusion of objectivity.

Originally posted by Tactrix:

If on the other hand it says positive review fairly positive, it doesn't really sound like there's any need to check, since it feels like it actually is fairly positive.

That sounds like a you thing m8.
If I see a game that's positive or fairly positive I look to see what people liked about it. And what people disliked about it because there's no game so good that it didn't have some negative reviews. And no game so bad that it didn't have a couple positive reviews.

Originally posted by Tactrix:

The degree of description matters, and first impressions matter, the only time people are inclined to check what the reviewers are actually liking and disliking is when the text is anything less than blue, so mixed is a good example where they start checking, but by that point it's already obvious the game isn't very good.

Again That 's a you issue m8. The fact that there are at least 4 degrees of positive in the current ssytem

Positive
Very Positive
Mostly Positive
Overwhelmingly Positive.

Says that there's enough reason for people to be curious as to what and why.
DOn't assume other people share your incurious nature m8.

[Tactrix]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by Tactrix:

Metacritic became a meme because they didn't have fair reviewers, they were paid off to be skewed. Their system was actually really good when it was a fair review. And I'll demonstrate how the 1-10 system is infinitely better than positive and negative.

So all those user reviews were paid off?
yeah. i don't even think EA haspockets that deep.

Originally posted by Tactrix:

if you have a game and when you look at the top where it says positive or negative it says 7/10, now you know to check what those 3 points have been knocked down for.

You make it sound like any two reviewers will have the same issues. That's not gonna happen. There is no objective means of measuring ebntertainment value to that level of precision. Ttrying to use a points system like that just gives the illusion of objectivity.

Originally posted by Tactrix:

If on the other hand it says positive review fairly positive, it doesn't really sound like there's any need to check, since it feels like it actually is fairly positive.

That sounds like a you thing m8.
If I see a game that's positive or fairly positive I look to see what people liked about it. And what people disliked about it because there's no game so good that it didn't have some negative reviews. And no game so bad that it didn't have a couple positive reviews.

Originally posted by Tactrix:

The degree of description matters, and first impressions matter, the only time people are inclined to check what the reviewers are actually liking and disliking is when the text is anything less than blue, so mixed is a good example where they start checking, but by that point it's already obvious the game isn't very good.

Again That 's a you issue m8. The fact that there are at least 4 degrees of positive in the current ssytem

Positive
Very Positive
Mostly Positive
Overwhelmingly Positive.

Says that there's enough reason for people to be curious as to what and why.
DOn't assume other people share your incurious nature m8.

The only one making assumptions here is you, I'm telling you the reality of what people actually do. You're the one arguing against it with examples of what you personally assume everyone else is like. And by the way I'd like to point out I'm not in the minority with wanting this change, I've seen thousands of threads on the forums asking for a better evaluation system than positive and negative. You can ignore it all you want, but it won't go away, because it's a real issue.

[MrQun]

Originally posted by Tactrix:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

So all those user reviews were paid off?
yeah. i don't even think EA haspockets that deep.


You make it sound like any two reviewers will have the same issues. That's not gonna happen. There is no objective means of measuring ebntertainment value to that level of precision. Ttrying to use a points system like that just gives the illusion of objectivity.



That sounds like a you thing m8.
If I see a game that's positive or fairly positive I look to see what people liked about it. And what people disliked about it because there's no game so good that it didn't have some negative reviews. And no game so bad that it didn't have a couple positive reviews.


Again That 's a you issue m8. The fact that there are at least 4 degrees of positive in the current ssytem

Positive
Very Positive
Mostly Positive
Overwhelmingly Positive.

Says that there's enough reason for people to be curious as to what and why.
DOn't assume other people share your incurious nature m8.

The only one making assumptions here is you, I'm telling you the reality of what people actually do. You're the one arguing against it with examples of what you personally assume everyone else is like. And by the way I'd like to point out I'm not in the minority with wanting this change, I've seen thousands of threads on the forums asking for a better evaluation system than positive and negative. You can ignore it all you want, but it won't go away, because it's a real issue.

Mate, you are wasting your time dealing with these text book enablers. The person you are responding to is among many of the bad faith actors that do nothing but derail threads, throw out strawmans/ red herrings and argue for the sake of arguing all the while making excuses for corporation f@ckery. People like them are a big reason why the video game industry is down the toilet.

While I agree that the review system could be vastly improved upon, it won't fix the underlying issue: Human stupidity. Since you're making this suggestion, I'm going to assume that you've seen the quality of many reviews. Most reviewers seem to lack nuance, and independent critical thinking which is why you get idiotic reviews such as:

“Wolf 10/10” -Resident Evil Remake
“You can pet Kitty” -Momodora: Moonlit Farewell
“Came for the vampire, came because of the vampire. 10/10.” -BG3
“Make Us Whole.” -Dead Space Remake
“Panam Palmer” -Cyberpunk 2077

And Steam is FULL of these stupid type of reviews. No, I don't think think this change will make the reviews any better. And as such, I will personally just stick to watching no commentary game play videos.

[Tactrix]

Originally posted by MrQun:

Mate, you are wasting your time dealing with these text book enablers. The person you are responding to is among many of the bad faith actors that do nothing but derail threads, throw out strawmans/ red herrings and argue for the sake of arguing all the while making excuses for corporation f@ckery. People like them are a big reason why the video game industry is down the toilet.

While I agree that the review system could be vastly improved upon, it won't fix the underlying issue: Human stupidity. Since you're making this suggestion, I'm going to assume that you've seen the quality of many reviews. Most reviewers seem to lack nuance, and independent critical thinking which is why you get idiotic reviews such as:

“Wolf 10/10” -Resident Evil Remake
“You can pet Kitty” -Momodora: Moonlit Farewell
“Came for the vampire, came because of the vampire. 10/10.” -BG3
“Make Us Whole.” -Dead Space Remake
“Panam Palmer” -Cyberpunk 2077

And Steam is FULL of these stupid type of reviews. No, I don't think think this change will make the reviews any better. And as such, I will personally just stick to watching no commentary game play videos.

I understand your position, however it's my belief if you don't try to make the change you want to see, then nothing ever gets done, and I can't say I contributed to trying to get the change I want if I do nothing at all.

[MrQun]

Originally posted by Tactrix:

I understand your position, however it's my belief if you don't try to make the change you want to see, then nothing ever gets done, and I can't say I contributed to trying to get the change I want if I do nothing at all.

I respect that.

[Tactrix]

Originally posted by MrQun:

Originally posted by Tactrix:

I understand your position, however it's my belief if you don't try to make the change you want to see, then nothing ever gets done, and I can't say I contributed to trying to get the change I want if I do nothing at all.

I respect that.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Tactrix:

You've missed the entire point, the system you're talking about is NOT the system that exists right now. The only system that exists right now is positive and negative with an explanation. Which while great if someone is willing to scroll and find your comment, is absolutely worthless in the context of browsing a game and seeing an honest review at the top of the page where it actually says how many people like the game. Because you won't see that 1000 people like the game and the reasons why, all you'll see is that 1000 people like the game. That's a wildly inaccurate representation.

Missed the entire point?

This is a discussion forum and not an affirmation forum for suggestions and ideas

I clearly explained my position as i prefer the system Valve has and not a rating system such as 1 to 10, 1 to 5 etc. which I deem flawed.

I do not read the text on Steam reviews, which is a recommendation system, the text is fluff. I am only interested in whether a person recommends a game or not. In both instances i watch YouTube gameplay and if I continue to watch it is game i will add to my library.

Let's look at Amazon's 5 star review system. "Arrived on time" "Looks like the photo" etc. None of those are about the product, and i certainly would not buy a product rated 1, 2 or 3.

And finally Valve disagree hence why they have not changed the system they require after all it is their right to choose.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Tactrix:

The only one making assumptions here is you, I'm telling you the reality of what people actually do.

Which is an assumption on your part, after all you deeming 1 to 10 a better system is because it fits your personal criteria, therefore everyone else using Valve's system is wrong and the system is wrong based upon your personal definition.

Oddly you are under no obligation to use the system Valve provides, you choose to and Valve has chosen NOT to change it.

[Tactrix]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Tactrix:

The only one making assumptions here is you, I'm telling you the reality of what people actually do.

Which is an assumption on your part, after all you deeming 1 to 10 a better system is because it fits your personal criteria, therefore everyone else using Valve's system is wrong and the system is wrong based upon your personal definition.

Oddly you are under no obligation to use the system Valve provides, you choose to and Valve has chosen NOT to change it.

No, I deem it a better system because it is one. That system is the #1 most used system for rating things on a global scale, more importantly it's the most common system used on major rating sites world wide. The second most common being 1/100. In either case both those systems are used more widely than "do you like or dislike this? And why?"

And if you want some example, International movie data base uses the 1/10 system, it's literally the biggest rating movie data base in the world. Ebay uses it to rate their purchases, and it worked so well for them that they even expanded beyond it to more ratings for specific elements in the purchase. Those are 2 of millions of examples of how it's used because it just works better.