upload/save recordings like screenshots
i have some funny clips i'd like to have saved, ideally on my profile like how you can with screenshots, but unfortunately there's no way to upload steam recordings. would be nice to be able to save them like you can with screenshots, perhaps to the videos section of your profile
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Автор сообщения: eram
how much are you willing to pay for video storage? it wouldn't be unlimited.
just checked - they have 19gb of cloud storage for me and presumably for each account. i've uploaded like 2k screenshots and haven't even used 1gb yet, and the 30 second clip files were like ~30mb. the current storage they have allocated for screenshots would be more than enough to store a reasonable number of videos too
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Автор сообщения: Jzson
upload/save recordings like screenshots

i have some funny clips i'd like to have saved, ideally on my profile like how you can with screenshots, but unfortunately there's no way to upload steam recordings. would be nice to be able to save them like you can with screenshots, perhaps to the videos section of your profile

In a real browser, link your YouTube account, upload the clip to YouTube, add the video from YouTube to your Video section.

:nkCool:
Автор сообщения: cSg|mc-Hotsauce
Автор сообщения: Jzson
upload/save recordings like screenshots

i have some funny clips i'd like to have saved, ideally on my profile like how you can with screenshots, but unfortunately there's no way to upload steam recordings. would be nice to be able to save them like you can with screenshots, perhaps to the videos section of your profile

In a real browser, link your YouTube account, upload the clip to YouTube, add the video from YouTube to your Video section.

:nkCool:
no

:nkCool:
Автор сообщения: Jzson
Автор сообщения: cSg|mc-Hotsauce

In a real browser, link your YouTube account, upload the clip to YouTube, add the video from YouTube to your Video section.

:nkCool:
no

:nkCool:

Valve doesn't want to be the host for millions of petabytes of crappy clips. It's far cheaper and simpler to let YT deal with it.

:nkCool:
Автор сообщения: cSg|mc-Hotsauce
Автор сообщения: Jzson
no

:nkCool:

Valve doesn't want to be the host for millions of petabytes of crappy clips. It's far cheaper and simpler to let YT deal with it.

:nkCool:
do you have a source for valve saying they don't want to be the host for clips?

:nkCool:
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Автор сообщения: cSg|mc-Hotsauce

Valve doesn't want to be the host for millions of petabytes of crappy clips. It's far cheaper and simpler to let YT deal with it.

:nkCool:
do you have a source for valve saying they don't want to be the host for clips?

:nkCool:
valve's early 2000s source engine probably couldn't handle many clips...
Автор сообщения: Jzson
i have some funny clips i'd like to have saved, ideally on my profile like how you can with screenshots, but unfortunately there's no way to upload steam recordings. would be nice to be able to save them like you can with screenshots, perhaps to the videos section of your profile


Автор сообщения: Jzson
Автор сообщения: cSg|mc-Hotsauce

Valve doesn't want to be the host for millions of petabytes of crappy clips. It's far cheaper and simpler to let YT deal with it.

:nkCool:
do you have a source for valve saying they don't want to be the host for clips?

:nkCool:

Its simple... just think of what the costs would be like to host hundreds or even thousands of videos from 35+ million active accounts a day, 140+ million active accounts a month, over 1 billion accounts total.

Video hosting sites can do it because they run 3rd party ads on pretty much every video. Usually more than 1 ad, which btw ticks off lots of people. But Valve doesn't want to run 3rd party ads on their site. How do we know this? Because in the 20+ years Steam has been around, they haven't run any 3rd party ads. (and no a store page with the games on them is not 3rd party ads and wouldn't be enough for all the videos people would be uploading.

The alternative is for you to pay for hosting... at least 25 to 50 bucks a month.... which I highly doubt you would be willing to pay, cause when you stop paying, all your videos would get erased. Unlike on youtube where they make money from ads.

Valve would also have to massively increase moderation and would quickly fall behind because there is not enough people to actually watch all the videos just to make sure they don't break the rules and "AI" is not at the point where it could go through every video as its being upload, it too would cost a lot of money and would also quickly fall behind (not to mention its going to take a long time for it to be able to figure out stuff that breaks the rules).

And yes, video files would take a long time to verify they don't break rules. It can already take a while to get a static avatar image removed when its breaking the rules and that just takes a second to verify it breaks the rules or not. Now imagine a 30 second clip, thats 30 times longer... the longer the clip the longer they have to sit there and watch, without looking away.

How do we know this? Logic. Look at youtube. Videos are always being uploaded that break their rules, they can be up there for a long time before being removed. Their system can not keep up with the 500+ hours a minute of videos that are being uploaded (and yes that much is actually being uploaded to youtube, more actually cause that number was from a few years ago).

If a company like google which makes FAR more than Valve and has FAR more people, can't stop rule breaking videos from being uploaded, what makes you think Valve would be able to do it?

Valve also reduced the size of files that can be uploaded from 8meg to 5meg.


So all this leads us to the thought that Valve won't be hosting videos anytime soon.
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Автор сообщения: Jzson
i have some funny clips i'd like to have saved, ideally on my profile like how you can with screenshots, but unfortunately there's no way to upload steam recordings. would be nice to be able to save them like you can with screenshots, perhaps to the videos section of your profile


Автор сообщения: Jzson
do you have a source for valve saying they don't want to be the host for clips?

:nkCool:

Its simple... just think of what the costs would be like to host hundreds or even thousands of videos from 35+ million active accounts a day, 140+ million active accounts a month, over 1 billion accounts total.

Video hosting sites can do it because they run 3rd party ads on pretty much every video. Usually more than 1 ad, which btw ticks off lots of people. But Valve doesn't want to run 3rd party ads on their site. How do we know this? Because in the 20+ years Steam has been around, they haven't run any 3rd party ads. (and no a store page with the games on them is not 3rd party ads and wouldn't be enough for all the videos people would be uploading.

The alternative is for you to pay for hosting... at least 25 to 50 bucks a month.... which I highly doubt you would be willing to pay, cause when you stop paying, all your videos would get erased. Unlike on youtube where they make money from ads.

Valve would also have to massively increase moderation and would quickly fall behind because there is not enough people to actually watch all the videos just to make sure they don't break the rules and "AI" is not at the point where it could go through every video as its being upload, it too would cost a lot of money and would also quickly fall behind (not to mention its going to take a long time for it to be able to figure out stuff that breaks the rules).

And yes, video files would take a long time to verify they don't break rules. It can already take a while to get a static avatar image removed when its breaking the rules and that just takes a second to verify it breaks the rules or not. Now imagine a 30 second clip, thats 30 times longer... the longer the clip the longer they have to sit there and watch, without looking away.

How do we know this? Logic. Look at youtube. Videos are always being uploaded that break their rules, they can be up there for a long time before being removed. Their system can not keep up with the 500+ hours a minute of videos that are being uploaded (and yes that much is actually being uploaded to youtube, more actually cause that number was from a few years ago).

If a company like google which makes FAR more than Valve and has FAR more people, can't stop rule breaking videos from being uploaded, what makes you think Valve would be able to do it?

Valve also reduced the size of files that can be uploaded from 8meg to 5meg.


So all this leads us to the thought that Valve won't be hosting videos anytime soon.
not reading all that. happy for you though, or sorry that happened
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Автор сообщения: Jzson
i have some funny clips i'd like to have saved, ideally on my profile like how you can with screenshots, but unfortunately there's no way to upload steam recordings. would be nice to be able to save them like you can with screenshots, perhaps to the videos section of your profile


Автор сообщения: Jzson
do you have a source for valve saying they don't want to be the host for clips?

:nkCool:

Its simple... just think of what the costs would be like to host hundreds or even thousands of videos from 35+ million active accounts a day, 140+ million active accounts a month, over 1 billion accounts total.

Video hosting sites can do it because they run 3rd party ads on pretty much every video. Usually more than 1 ad, which btw ticks off lots of people. But Valve doesn't want to run 3rd party ads on their site. How do we know this? Because in the 20+ years Steam has been around, they haven't run any 3rd party ads. (and no a store page with the games on them is not 3rd party ads and wouldn't be enough for all the videos people would be uploading.

The alternative is for you to pay for hosting... at least 25 to 50 bucks a month.... which I highly doubt you would be willing to pay, cause when you stop paying, all your videos would get erased. Unlike on youtube where they make money from ads.

Valve would also have to massively increase moderation and would quickly fall behind because there is not enough people to actually watch all the videos just to make sure they don't break the rules and "AI" is not at the point where it could go through every video as its being upload, it too would cost a lot of money and would also quickly fall behind (not to mention its going to take a long time for it to be able to figure out stuff that breaks the rules).

And yes, video files would take a long time to verify they don't break rules. It can already take a while to get a static avatar image removed when its breaking the rules and that just takes a second to verify it breaks the rules or not. Now imagine a 30 second clip, thats 30 times longer... the longer the clip the longer they have to sit there and watch, without looking away.

How do we know this? Logic. Look at youtube. Videos are always being uploaded that break their rules, they can be up there for a long time before being removed. Their system can not keep up with the 500+ hours a minute of videos that are being uploaded (and yes that much is actually being uploaded to youtube, more actually cause that number was from a few years ago).

If a company like google which makes FAR more than Valve and has FAR more people, can't stop rule breaking videos from being uploaded, what makes you think Valve would be able to do it?

Valve also reduced the size of files that can be uploaded from 8meg to 5meg.


So all this leads us to the thought that Valve won't be hosting videos anytime soon.
so basically then when i asked if there was a source the answer is no?

:nkCool:
Отредактировано Jzson; 9 янв в 10:16
how much are you willing to pay for video storage? it wouldn't be unlimited.
Автор сообщения: eram
how much are you willing to pay for video storage? it wouldn't be unlimited.
just checked - they have 19gb of cloud storage for me and presumably for each account. i've uploaded like 2k screenshots and haven't even used 1gb yet, and the 30 second clip files were like ~30mb. the current storage they have allocated for screenshots would be more than enough to store a reasonable number of videos too
Автор сообщения: Jzson
Автор сообщения: eram
how much are you willing to pay for video storage? it wouldn't be unlimited.
just checked - they have 19gb of cloud storage for me and presumably for each account. i've uploaded like 2k screenshots and haven't even used 1gb yet, and the 30 second clip files were like ~30mb. the current storage they have allocated for screenshots would be more than enough to store a reasonable number of videos too
image hosting is free on steam but video wont be, so how much would you be willing to pay?
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Автор сообщения: Jzson
just checked - they have 19gb of cloud storage for me and presumably for each account. i've uploaded like 2k screenshots and haven't even used 1gb yet, and the 30 second clip files were like ~30mb. the current storage they have allocated for screenshots would be more than enough to store a reasonable number of videos too
image hosting is free on steam but video wont be, so how much would you be willing to pay?
as i said, they could just use the same 19gb storage pool that currently exists, no additional storage. it wouldn't cost anyone anything

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Отредактировано Jzson; 9 янв в 10:31
Автор сообщения: Jzson
Автор сообщения: eram
how much are you willing to pay for video storage? it wouldn't be unlimited.
just checked - they have 19gb of cloud storage for me and presumably for each account. i've uploaded like 2k screenshots and haven't even used 1gb yet, and the 30 second clip files were like ~30mb. the current storage they have allocated for screenshots would be more than enough to store a reasonable number of videos too



Автор сообщения: Jzson
Автор сообщения: eram
image hosting is free on steam but video wont be, so how much would you be willing to pay?
as i said, they could just use the same 19gb storage pool that currently exists, no additional storage. it wouldn't cost anyone anything

:nkCool:

You seem to ignore the added costs to steam to check every single video that gets uploaded... as I pointed out already. I also pointed out how quickly they will fall behind even if they start hiring more people.

They already take days to remove a jpg avatar that breaks the rules, how long do you think it will take to remove a 30 second or longer clip if it breaks the rules?

Just upload it to youtube, let them deal with all the costs by putting 3rd party ads on the videos.
Автор сообщения: Jzson
Автор сообщения: eram
image hosting is free on steam but video wont be, so how much would you be willing to pay?
as i said, they could just use the same 19gb storage pool that currently exists, no additional storage. it wouldn't cost anyone anything

:nkCool:
so nothing is your answer?

not sure they will go for that
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Автор сообщения: Jzson
as i said, they could just use the same 19gb storage pool that currently exists, no additional storage. it wouldn't cost anyone anything

:nkCool:
so nothing is your answer?

not sure they will go for that
did you not read my post? that's like saying "oh you wouldn't pay for screenshots? no way they'd do it for free" they literally have 19gb of cloud storage allocated to my account and presumably everyone elses' that we are free to use, they have literally already paid for what could be a very reasonable amount of video storage, as surely very few people have managed to fill that storage
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