Proton for windows. Is this method possible?

[BOBTOMAS]

For Valve Is this method possible?
Activating Proton for windows could maintain the compatibility of those games that on windows 10/11 do not work properly, while those games work correctly on linux with proton.
From what we read in the forum the unavailability of steam for windows 7 / 8.1 could be solved with proton for windows.

Is this method possible?

[Cathulhu]

That makes no sense as DirectX or other stuff has no relation as to why Windows 7 or 8 are no longer supported in future releases of Steam.

[[N]ebsun]

Which games are those ?

[BOBTOMAS]

Originally posted by Cathulhu:

That makes no sense as DirectX or other stuff has no relation as to why Windows 7 or 8 are no longer supported in future releases of Steam.

Windows 10/11 has long changed support for the directx 9 ecosystem.
So much modified that such games developed with directx9 do not work properly.
A striking example is GTA IV that to work well you are forced to use DXVK/Proton.

And now, a few cases where it definitely helps.
Borderlands 2
Borderlands
TES IV: Oblivion
STALKER: SOC
Fallout: NV
Those are the games I tested so far that see their performance increased. I'd also like to note that Vulkan brings overall stability (except for initial shader compilation when it might stutter a bit, so first play around for a minute or two), and makes framerate transitions way smoother even if performance drops.
So far mostly DXVK helps old-ish DX9 games with a lot of objects and stuff, so if you have such a game - give DXVK a try and posts results here.
This topic is also valid for Proton on linux...

To help you understand read this post:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/2149848024140726141/

[Bee🐝]

Still, can you tell us which games those are that don't work with Win10/11? The ones you mentioned work and run fine - I have them all on multiple platforms.

[Komarimaru]

Originally posted by EFFE:

Originally posted by Cathulhu:

That makes no sense as DirectX or other stuff has no relation as to why Windows 7 or 8 are no longer supported in future releases of Steam.

Windows 10/11 has long changed support for the directx 9 ecosystem.
So much modified that such games developed with directx9 do not work properly.
A striking example is GTA IV that to work well you are forced to use DXVK/Proton.

And now, a few cases where it definitely helps.
Borderlands 2
Borderlands
TES IV: Oblivion
STALKER: SOC
Fallout: NV
Those are the games I tested so far that see their performance increased. I'd also like to note that Vulkan brings overall stability (except for initial shader compilation when it might stutter a bit, so first play around for a minute or two), and makes framerate transitions way smoother even if performance drops.
So far mostly DXVK helps old-ish DX9 games with a lot of objects and stuff, so if you have such a game - give DXVK a try and posts results here.
This topic is also valid for Proton on linux...

To help you understand read this post:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/2149848024140726141/

All those games work perfectly fine on my system. The removal of Windows 7/8 had nothing to do with game performance but for security reasons.

[Cathulhu]

Windows 10 and 11 support DX9 fine. I have no issues running any DX9 game on my system.

[Bee🐝]

I also love how these cases only ever use a single PC with the minimum amount of info on their system.

Games, like Fallout NV and Oblivion which is 17 years old, should never be used as test cases since they have issues that are unique to the engine - some of which are still present in Skyrim - and have nothing to do with your OS version.

Heck, the performance difference between a new save and a relatively old one could be insane depending on what the world had been through - none of that would be solved using Proton.

Trust me, if there was anything the Bethesda community could do to keep a 400-hour save of Oblivion stable, they would've done so by now.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by EFFE:

From what we read in the forum the unavailability of steam for windows 7 / 8.1 could be solved with proton for windows.

You'd still need the Steam client. Since the client won't run on Win 7/8 coming 2024, how would Proton be a solution?

Originally posted by Bee🐝:

Still, can you tell us which games those are that don't work with Win10/11? The ones you mentioned work and run fine - I have them all on multiple platforms.

Yeah, I find it odd that games get named that work perfectly fine on a newer OS. Well, as far as a Bethesda game can run perfectly, of course.

[Supafly]

Originally posted by EFFE:

And now, a few cases where it definitely helps.
Borderlands 2

Works absolutely fine on Windows 10. Clocked 60+ hours in it last year

[Seyker]

¿So there is no way to get proton on Windows? I'd like to play Split/second and I can do it in my Steam Deck, but not in my computer. It's so stupid.

[RiO]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Originally posted by EFFE:

From what we read in the forum the unavailability of steam for windows 7 / 8.1 could be solved with proton for windows.

You'd still need the Steam client. Since the client won't run on Win 7/8 coming 2024, how would Proton be a solution?

The other way around. OP means: Why not use Proton on Windows 10/11 as an API wrapper for old titles that perform less well on Windows 10/11 than they did on e.g. Windows 7 - or even older: Windows XP?

The desire to keep their old system around for retro-gaming is one of the often cited reasons for people keeping Windows 7 in use. And this would offer an alternative path to that.

[Satoru]

Originally posted by RiO:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

You'd still need the Steam client. Since the client won't run on Win 7/8 coming 2024, how would Proton be a solution?

The other way around. OP means: Why not use Proton on Windows 10/11 as an API wrapper for old titles that perform less well on Windows 10/11 than they did on e.g. Windows 7 - or even older: Windows XP?

The desire to keep their old system around for retro-gaming is one of the often cited reasons for people keeping Windows 7 in use. And this would offer an alternative path to that.

Because its not like DX9 support doesn't exist in Windows 11

You don't need a 'wrapper' for DX9 because it literally already exists or can be installed on windows 11.

[Rosa]

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