Any alternative age verification method

[Baka444]

It has been multiple months since the UK implemented their flawed law, and despite steam continually saying it's a 'new' process and were looking into weaknesses, a massive weakness in their credit card only implementation has been pointed out multiple times and they still have not done anything to fix it.

The issue being, shockingly, some adults in the UK don't have a credit card.

The fix being: Having any other system. Photos, Ids...

I raised a ticket about this when it was implemented and got completely ignored.

Fundamentally credit cards only isn't even a good implementation, as anyone who remembers the battlefront 2 loot box scare recall, where there were too many accounts in the news of children using their parents credit cards to cause massive debt to them. Example: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48908766 .

I cannot understand how this flaw hasn't been acknowledged yet, it's not like it's complicated or hard to fathom the flaw.

As someone who only buys games now inaccessible to me due to me being unfortunately born in a country stupid enough to implement this flawed law, Steam/Valve's stubbornness to ignore this issue is feeling like persecution; for someone who just wants to buy stupid hentai games.

[Jaunitta 🌸]

Dont buy explicit games till your 18 and over.
Age laws apply to many areas in life it's not new.

[peppermint hollows]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Jaunitta 🌸:

Dont buy explicit games till your 18 and over.
Age laws apply to many areas in life it's not new.

What is the point of this comment?

[AmsterdamHeavy]

You know the root cause of the problem and yet want to piss and moan at Valve.

Stuff like that is how you got the law in the first place.

[𝓁 λ 𝓂 𝒷 𝒹 𝒶🎄]

Ah no.

[Wheelie Gamer]

OP, this is something that’s made me faceplant my hand a few times and it’s not because of losing out on sex filled games myself as I couldn’t be bothered any less.

My particular beef with this way of IDing is it’s going to encourage people; especially young adults without a credit score or vulnerable adults into getting a terible high APR credit card,eg capital one in order to gain ID on steam and that will be setting very dodgy ground for some people.

The UK has had a good basic ID card for some years now called the PASS / citizen 18+ card. This is used by the entire country inc the police and SIA, entertainment venues from lands end to John o groats, and shops for when you get IDd for energy drink.
I have one of these for nightclubs as some of them like the warehouse project; especially on nights it’s a rowdy crowd they will ID absolutely everyone.
The other good reason this pass should be offered as a choice to UK folks is it’s more accessible,you don’t need a drivers licence or passport to get it-2 things which many people in the UK still do not own.

[Konata]

Age verification is a scam when it has to do with IDs and facial recognition, Do not negotiate with UK government terrorists, range ban UK users if you have to

[Baka444]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Jaunitta 🌸:

Dont buy explicit games till your 18 and over.
Age laws apply to many areas in life it's not new.

I don't know if you're blind or just malicious. I am over 18, otherwise I wouldn't be asking for alternative methods for verification if I couldn't prove it. I just don't have an credit card.

Oprindeligt skrevet af AmsterdamHeavy:

You know the root cause of the problem and yet want to piss and moan at Valve.

Stuff like that is how you got the :♥♥♥♥: law in the first place.

The UK got the law because someone wanted a reason to remove anomity from the internet in the UK and decided 'for the children' was the perfect excuse. It's a fundamentally broken law that is designed to fail to increase the censorship so Big Brother can watch over its citizens. It's a disgusting law that the Government will not allow to fail, because the children are simply not the point, and censorship in my country will get to the level of Germany in the 1940s.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Wheelie Gamer:

OP, this is something that’s made me faceplant my hand a few times and it’s not because of losing out on sex filled games myself as I couldn’t be bothered any less.

My particular beef with this way of IDing is it’s going to encourage people; especially young adults without a credit score or vulnerable adults into getting a terible high APR credit card,eg capital one in order to gain ID on steam and that will be setting very dodgy ground for some people.

The UK has had a good basic ID card for some years now called the PASS / citizen 18+ card. This is used by the entire country inc the police and SIA, entertainment venues from lands end to John o groats, and shops for when you get IDd for energy drink.
I have one of these for nightclubs as some of them like the warehouse project; especially on nights it’s a rowdy crowd they will ID absolutely everyone.
The other good reason this pass should be offered as a choice to UK folks is it’s more accessible,you don’t need a drivers licence or passport to get it-2 things which many people in the UK still do not own.

That's a lot of words to hijack my issue and make it your own. Also, I don't know how you read things, but the main point, that's even in the title, is that the goal is for alternative age verification methods. The hentai games are the only reason I care about steam, and so the reason I'm annoyed at this.

[nullable]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Baka444:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Jaunitta 🌸:

Dont buy explicit games till your 18 and over.
Age laws apply to many areas in life it's not new.

I don't know if you're blind or just malicious. I am over 18, otherwise I wouldn't be asking for alternative methods for verification if I couldn't prove it. I just don't have an credit card.

The short answer is, don't hold your breath. A few years Germany passed a similar requiring age verification. One difference from the UK law, credit cards aren't valid age verification. Germans have no age verification options on Steam, they're all adult content restricted.

The only reason the UK has any options is Valve already accepts credit cards. If the UK law were to change and credit cards weren't valid for age verification, you should probably expect to be in the same boat as the Germans.

Just to give you perspective on the harsh reality. I'm not celebrating it, but the reality seems pretty obvious to me.

Also Valve is not responsible for parents not securing their accounts, or letting their children run amok. It's a lame argument.

[Ferox_Stormdragon]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Jaunitta 🌸:

Dont buy explicit games till your 18 and over.
Age laws apply to many areas in life it's not new.

It's not the age law that's the problem, it's Valves verification requirements, they chose credit card as verification because those systems were already in-place, but not everyone in the UK has a credit card.

[Crashed]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Baka444:

It has been multiple months since the UK implemented their flawed law, and despite steam continually saying it's a 'new' process and were looking into weaknesses, a massive weakness in their credit card only implementation has been pointed out multiple times and they still have not done anything to fix it.

The issue being, shockingly, some adults in the UK don't have a credit card.

The fix being: Having any other system. Photos, Ids...

I raised a ticket about this when it was implemented and got completely ignored.

Fundamentally credit cards only isn't even a good implementation, as anyone who remembers the battlefront 2 loot box scare recall, where there were too many accounts in the news of children using their parents credit cards to cause massive debt to them. Example: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48908766 .

I cannot understand how this flaw hasn't been acknowledged yet, it's not like it's complicated or hard to fathom the flaw.

As someone who only buys games now inaccessible to me due to me being unfortunately born in a country stupid enough to implement this flawed law, Steam/Valve's stubbornness to ignore this issue is feeling like persecution; for someone who just wants to buy stupid hentai games.

Valve doesn't want to collect personal information for the sake of your country's restrictions.

[nullable]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ferox_Stormdragon:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Jaunitta 🌸:

Dont buy explicit games till your 18 and over.
Age laws apply to many areas in life it's not new.

It's not the age law that's the problem, it's Valves verification requirements, they chose credit card as verification because those systems were already in-place, but not everyone in the UK has a credit card.

Not having a credit card isn't Valve's problem. Valve is only responsible for meeting the requirements of the law. And one way to do that is to offer no age verification options. And the UK would have none if credit cards weren't an option. And Valve would be in compliance with the law.

And it's not even a problem. If you want to buy age restricted games, go buy them from another store that supports the age verification requirements you approve of. Not much of a problem when you can just go to the next store.

[Baka444]

Oprindeligt skrevet af nullable:

Also Valve is not responsible for parents not securing their accounts, or letting their children run amok. It's a lame argument.

Just to counter this point, if Parent oversight was trusted, the law wouldn't exist in the first place. The entire claim for the law is to 'protect the children', given their parent somehow shouldn't be responsible to prevent access to the internet, or something to that effect. Considering how many providers actively censor that stuff anyway primarily for Parents.

Anyone with a brain knows that VPNs are going to be next, especially when some VPNs are actively advertising that it goes over this law. And since the petition was completely ignored and disrespected by the UK government, as mentioned previously, the only real reason I can see for the law in the first place is so Big Brother can get more avenues to spy on the UK citizens, using children as an excuse.

Oprindeligt skrevet af nullable:

Not having a credit card isn't Valve's problem. Valve is only responsible for meeting the requirements of the law. And one way to do that is to offer no age verification options. And the UK would have none if credit cards weren't an option. And Valve would be in compliance with the law.

And it's not even a problem. If you want to buy age restricted games, go buy them from another store that supports the age verification requirements you approve of. Not much of a problem when you can just go to the next store.

Having not known about Germany's implementation, and therefore Germans being flat out rejected, that is a point. A suggestion is a suggestion, but I guess Valve is lazy af and I should look for alternatives. Any suggestions outside of piracy? Games like, for instance, Orc Massage, are games I actually respect for nudity without SA, so it'd be a shame if the only way to access them was through piracy.

[Glizzy McGuire]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Baka444:

It has been multiple months since the UK implemented their flawed law, and despite steam continually saying it's a 'new' process and were looking into weaknesses, a massive weakness in their credit card only implementation has been pointed out multiple times and they still have not done anything to fix it.

The issue being, shockingly, some adults in the UK don't have a credit card.

The fix being: Having any other system. Photos, Ids...

I raised a ticket about this when it was implemented and got completely ignored.

Fundamentally credit cards only isn't even a good implementation, as anyone who remembers the battlefront 2 loot box scare recall, where there were too many accounts in the news of children using their parents credit cards to cause massive debt to them. Example: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48908766 .

I cannot understand how this flaw hasn't been acknowledged yet, it's not like it's complicated or hard to fathom the flaw.

As someone who only buys games now inaccessible to me due to me being unfortunately born in a country stupid enough to implement this flawed law, Steam/Valve's stubbornness to ignore this issue is feeling like persecution; for someone who just wants to buy stupid hentai games.

How this suggestion is even related or help Valve/steam? UK is government matter and it has nothing to do with American company (steam).