Ability to exchange game licenses

[Blurr]

I know the red flags this title probably raises with people and maybe even at steam but give it some thought for real. I have over 200 games many of which i will NEVER play again, why cant i "give" a new PC gamer a "disc" so he can start building his library? I am not suggesting to be able to resell them, but merely a one way trade which makes the key untradable again if necessary. If i agree to never be able to access my license again, and never be able to request a refund for it, then why can't I trade it to someone?

The reason this was brought up for me was a friend finally got a PC and since I cant add him to my family anymore i could give him some steam games to get him hooked into this ecosystem and launch his career as a PC gamer.

[Blurr]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Then you use family sharing, the licenses themselves are going to stay where they are.

You don't have any rights. You don't even have freedom of speech here. lol

And like I said I completely understand why the system is saying we aren't family. The previous system you could game in a way to where any five people you happen to know could get your library. I understand that that is not steams intended use of steam family sharing, which I accepted and led to this suggestion I was only trying to share my library to a new gamer because he was interested in one title specifically that I know I will never play again he's not my family I understand I can't share my whole library to him so why can't I just give him my disc. Case and point.

Consumer rights, yeah Bohemia interactive loses out on a single sale of Arma 3 how many years after it came out who knows, but guess what he only wanted to try it because he wanted to see what arma reforger might be like and guess what now he's never going to know and thus won't buy it.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

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Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Then you use family sharing, the licenses themselves are going to stay where they are.

You don't have any rights. You don't even have freedom of speech here. lol

And like I said I completely understand why the system is saying we aren't family. The previous system you could game in a way to where any five people you happen to know could get your library. I understand that that is not steams intended use of steam family sharing, which I accepted and led to this suggestion I was only trying to share my library to a new gamer because he was interested in one title specifically that I know I will never play again he's not my family I understand I can't share my whole library to him so why can't I just give him my disc. Case and point.

Consumer rights, yeah Bohemia interactive loses out on a single sale of Arma 3 how many years after it came out who knows, but guess what he only wanted to try it because he wanted to see what arma reforger might be like and guess what now he's never going to know and thus won't buy it.

It's intended for family, not for random people that you meet on the internet and you want to play their games.

[Blurr]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Publicado originalmente por Blurr:

First of all games as a service is already the standard and that's why the YouTube channel I mentioned earlier in the thread has started some kind of lawsuit about it because it technically is theft if you pay money for a service and then they take it away that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up lol even if you technically agreed to some shady tos.

I understand what you mean about losing one sales two sales three four five six that is why I was even willing to say there could be hard restrictions on this such as a license only being transferable once and maybe only to people you've been friends with for over a year or more.

The Crew would like to have a word with you. Go join that fight and let us know how it turns out. I don't have high hopes.

That's the game it was I couldn't remember exactly. Yeah you're right I don't have high hopes I really don't but the more people talk about this kind of issue the higher chance we all have of maybe getting more rights in the future.

For everyone to be so pessimistic saying it's never going to get better and we're never going to have rights just depresses me it's so ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

So you know how many games Bohemia interactive is selling? How did you get that kind of information? The fact is you have no idea what you're talking about and you're just spouting random scenarios to try to support your argument.

[Blurr]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Publicado originalmente por Blurr:

And like I said I completely understand why the system is saying we aren't family. The previous system you could game in a way to where any five people you happen to know could get your library. I understand that that is not steams intended use of steam family sharing, which I accepted and led to this suggestion I was only trying to share my library to a new gamer because he was interested in one title specifically that I know I will never play again he's not my family I understand I can't share my whole library to him so why can't I just give him my disc. Case and point.

Consumer rights, yeah Bohemia interactive loses out on a single sale of Arma 3 how many years after it came out who knows, but guess what he only wanted to try it because he wanted to see what arma reforger might be like and guess what now he's never going to know and thus won't buy it.

It's intended for family, not for random people that you meet on the internet and you want to play their games.

I understand that I completely do I was simply saying the old system did let you do that and I know why steam changed it. But for people who aren't your family the ability to simply share a key one time irreversibly would go so far. This guy is not my blood brother but I've known him for years and if someone just got a PC and is trying to get into the master race what kind of fkin PC gamer would I be if I didn't try to help them out lol, try to get him hooked like we all did. There used to be a time when this was called Word of mouth advertising.

[Blurr]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

So you know how many games Bohemia interactive is selling? How did you get that kind of information? The fact is you have no idea what you're talking about and you're just spouting random scenarios to try to support your argument.

Really man? You're going to sit here and speculate that Arma 3 the base game is still selling hundreds of thousands of copies a year especially with their supposed sequel reforger out? No chance in any world. Bohemia stands to gain so much more from a new person being introduced to their franchise than me hanging on to a 7 year old key or however old it is and simply telling a friend oh yeah that game is great...

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

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Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

It's intended for family, not for random people that you meet on the internet and you want to play their games.

I understand that I completely do I was simply saying the old system did let you do that and I know why steam changed it. But for people who aren't your family the ability to simply share a key one time irreversibly would go so far. This guy is not my blood brother but I've known him for years and if someone just got a PC and is trying to get into the master race what kind of fkin PC gamer would I be if I didn't try to help them out lol, try to get him hooked like we all did. There used to be a time when this was called Word of mouth advertising.

To be frank, get over it. They just changed it and they are not going to change it back. They are also not going to allow licenses to be transferred for the myriad of reasons that you've been told already yet refuse to accept or believe. The grand thing about this is is. It doesn't matter if you accept it or believe it or not.

[Ettanin]

Steam Family Sharing was conceived as a safe alternative to account credential sharing when families have a shared computer or multiple shared computers, as they would have physical access to such accounts anyway. It worked by having credentials (in the form of session tokens) stored locally and managing permissions on a per-system basis.

The new system still requires mutually used hardware (shared internet connection is not enough, else it won't let you add to family) but is now safely managed on Valve's servers instead. Therefore, all family members must be within the same store region.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Publicado originalmente por Blurr:

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

So you know how many games Bohemia interactive is selling? How did you get that kind of information? The fact is you have no idea what you're talking about and you're just spouting random scenarios to try to support your argument.

Really man? You're going to sit here and speculate that Arma 3 the base game is still selling hundreds of thousands of copies a year especially with their supposed sequel reforger out? No chance in any world. Bohemia stands to gain so much more from a new person being introduced to their franchise than me hanging on to a 7 year old key or however old it is and simply telling a friend oh yeah that game is great...

Keep grasping.

Think about what you're asking and what doors you are asking to be opened. Once a key is used, it cannot be used again on any account, even one of your own accounts. Now imagine those keys are allowed to be used over and over or even twice. You are vastly and I mean vastly underestimating human nature. If you don't think bad things would happen.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Publicado originalmente por Ettanin:

Steam Family Sharing was conceived as a safe alternative to account credential sharing when families have a shared computer or multiple shared computers, as they would have physical access to such accounts anyway. It worked by having credentials (in the form of session tokens) stored locally and managing permissions on a per-system basis.

The new system still requires mutually used hardware (shared internet connection is not enough, else it won't let you add to family) but is now safely managed on Valve's servers instead. Therefore, all family members must be within the same store region.

This. It was never ever intended to be used as a way to share games with people halfway around the world that you didn't even know except through chatting or gaming on the internet.

[Blurr]

Publicado originalmente por Ettanin:

Steam Family Sharing was conceived as a safe alternative to account credential sharing when families have a shared computer or multiple shared computers, as they would have physical access to such accounts anyway. It worked by having credentials (in the form of session tokens) stored locally and managing permissions on a per-system basis.

The new system still requires mutually used hardware (shared internet connection is not enough, else it won't let you add to family) but is now safely managed on Valve's servers instead. Therefore, all family members must be within the same store region.

So in a roundabout way steam has basically made us compromise our accounts if we want to share our libraries in the ways we used to. I can accomplish what I'm asking for in this thread by simply giving him my username and password but I'm suggesting that there's a simpler solution that can benefit everybody say that I'm stupid and too optimistic I don't believe I think that that is disregarding the arguments.

We all can do better and we all deserve better it's a matter of what we all demand. What we get is what we accept in this world. So I guess that's the end of me arguing for more rights for everybody.

[Blurr]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Publicado originalmente por Blurr:

Really man? You're going to sit here and speculate that Arma 3 the base game is still selling hundreds of thousands of copies a year especially with their supposed sequel reforger out? No chance in any world. Bohemia stands to gain so much more from a new person being introduced to their franchise than me hanging on to a 7 year old key or however old it is and simply telling a friend oh yeah that game is great...

Keep grasping.

Think about what you're asking and what doors you are asking to be opened. Once a key is used, it cannot be used again on any account, even one of your own accounts. Now imagine those keys are allowed to be used over and over or even twice. You are vastly and I mean vastly underestimating human nature. If you don't think bad things would happen.

I just really want to know what is the worst that could happen if a game key could only be shared one time and specifically only between accounts who have been friends for over 1 year.

I seriously want to know what the negative that could come from that is besides any sort of lost sale scenario.

[Anonymous Helper]

Publicado originalmente por Blurr:

If im not the first then i am happy, I hope for a time when we have more rights as consumers of these products and stop just saying "it is what it is" and expecting no change.

If there willl ever be a law that forces developers/publishers to allow transfer of licences, they'll simply switch business model to always online live service one where they can then pull the plug from servers when the game stops generating profits. Alternatively they stop selling licenses and instead offer subscriptions instead. Or any number of other methods that prevents or makes the transfer of license meaningless and consumer still has to pay them. The consumer will lose in every scenario.

Be careful what you wish for as you may get it but end up worse off for it. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

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Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Keep grasping.

Think about what you're asking and what doors you are asking to be opened. Once a key is used, it cannot be used again on any account, even one of your own accounts. Now imagine those keys are allowed to be used over and over or even twice. You are vastly and I mean vastly underestimating human nature. If you don't think bad things would happen.

I just really want to know what is the worst that could happen if a game key could only be shared one time and specifically only between accounts who have been friends for over 1 year.

I seriously want to know what the negative that could come from that is besides any sort of lost sale scenario.

What's the worst that could happen? Give a cheater, a thief or a liar 5 minutes and he'll figure out what's the worst that could happen. Like I said, vastly underestimating.

Over a year? Wow.

Do you realize that there are people who scam people who they've known for decades? lol

Come on seriously.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

It's also pretty simple. People would eventually just stop buying games and wait for people to want to trade their licenses. Do you know how long I waited for some of the games that I own to go on sale before buying them?