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Not even that, unfortunately.
When these "bad actors" get their disingenuous arguments torn apart, which is extremely often, they throw a tantrum and abuse the report system. I suspect they go on a reporting spree and target every post they can until an unscrupulous mod takes the bait.
This results on a person who hasn't broken any rules being silenced by inept mods who should be punishing those who abuse the report system instead.
I was the author of the thread that got closed right before this thread came up. They couldn't get me banned for anything I wrote on that thread but they did get me banned for posting "This thread is comedy gold" on another thread.
One of these "bad actors" even posted a screenshot of both me and another user banned in his "Artwork" section with the line "Two birds one stone". There were multiple other screenshots of other users banned, clearly illustrating who is actually being combative on the forums and who is abusing the report system. This screenshots are gone now, but to my knowledge, this person suffered no consequences for his behavior.
This is how bad moderation is. And judging by the posts I've been banned for. I'm fairly sure I'm being banned more for my ban history than what I actually write. So I guess I can thank volunteer mods for all those absurd bans I got at their hands. Even though you lost your privileges, the effects of your bad moderation still echo in these forums.
Let's not forget that these "bad actors" were already behaving this poorly under the watch of volunteers mods who claim to be oh so much more attentive to context, and not only did they not do anything about them, they punished those who called them out for their behavior.
Here you go. An Ex-Volunteer mod turning a blind eye to their behavior... I guess just so we are 100% clear why things were already this bad when volunteer mods could have done something about it and why the effects of their thoughtless actions, to put it gently, still reverberate through the forums.
Letting volunteer mods hold this position for so long was the worst thing that happened to these forums, and it's why it's been overran by the unprincipled they've turned a blind eye to for so long and still have the gall to defend.
The state of these forums is nothing but a reflection of their thoughtlessness.
Hah. Well art is subjective. So as long as it doesn't break any rules, I don't see a problem 🤷🏻♀️
They definitely are not disingenuous but when "you" want to shut down a conversation disingenuous is often used.
Proof not speculation as to who reported you.
Proof as in targeting forum regulars as admitted by.
A thread you and your friends contributed to getting closed.
Proof not speculation.
Did "comedy gold" contribute to the discussion or just used to bait other posters. Seemingly support saw it as bait and not contributing to the thread.
Were those screenshots removed? If the answer is yes then support acted on a report because of a perceived violation. Maybe the poster had a warning yet you would not know but again speculate nothing happened.
So the premise is moderation is bad because i was banned and moderation is bad because people i want banning are not.
In both cases a rule needs to broken for action to be taken.
Your bans were from paid moderators.
Yep. This is behavior that keeps on happening on the Steam forums.
This happens in pretty much every thread asking for changes to the award system, with the OP being accused of making "jester bait".
This sort of ad hominem also happens elsewhere. Very frequently suggestion threads just get a handful of people insisting that there's no room for improvement on anything that Steam is doing with a variety of dismissive comments directed at anyone making or supporting those suggestions.
There's no speculation required, the user responsible was the one posted the "Two birds one stone" screenshot. He couldn't argue his position so he abused the reported system to get me banned and celebrated it with the screenshot.
If a person can even remark that they find a thread humorous without targeting anyone or displaying any kind of negativity, than everything you say might constitute "baiting".
Over the years, I've seen multiple posts from you that contribute absolutely nothing to the discussion and are brimming with hostility and actual intent to bait, so you shouldn't be lecturing others on what they post.
You speculated no action was taken against them simply because they were not banned and ignored what i posted.
Were those screenshots removed? If the answer is yes then support acted on a report because of a perceived violation. Maybe the poster had a warning yet you would not know but again speculate nothing happened.
If it was humorous you would not have been banned instead you contributed nothing to that thread.
And finally when you post people are disingenuous and have no real argument you forget.
We are not talking about overmoderation, just good, or at least decent, moderation.
And if you don't think that moderation is bad right now, just wait till you find yourself on the opposite side of the debate of these same users derailing the threads with their nonsense and they'll abuse the report system to get you banned. Oh, and good luck getting help with support if that ever happens.
If there was good moderation in the first place this thread wouldn't exist.
IF the artwork is gone then that person can appeal it via support to have it overturned, and the removal would be the consequence. Again your exposing the core of your issue. Its not that moderation doesn't occur, you just want to weaponize moderation and complain when your moderated more strictly then others ignoring your own repeated violations that result in stricter moderation.
When you are moderated repeatedly you are shown less slack and face stricter penalties then someone who barely ever gets moderated
Its a combination of both. Your moderated for your actions but the penalties are stricter when you repeatedly break the rules. What would be a warning for someone else becomes a ban for you
Yes YOUR actions follow you. Again it all boils down to that. YOU are responsible for your actions, you get banned because you break the rules, not because a group of moderators have a vendetta against you. If their bans were unjust or wrong support would be more then willing to remove them as i've shown repeatedly.
Unless support is now also against you, in which id have to question if Volunteer moderators, paid moderators, and support are all in agreement, its sounds more like an issue with users breaking the rules then some conspiracy against you....
Seems like the quality is still good, other than slower times due to being reactionary and not having proactive volunteers. They remove troublemakers and problem content, I see no issue with that.
Less than a handful of users keep blaming "the regulars", but ultimately ones own actions and behavior is the root cause of all punishment from moderation. If a few are constantly punished but not their opposition, then is the problem really a group of supposed boogeymen? Or is it that people refuse to take responsibility for their own actions?
It seems these mods have learned to get context from the volunteers as well, so at the moment their actions align with actionable material and context being present to make a determination that someone has done something wrong.
Reports do not result in action, actionable content and context results in moderation taking action.
Accusing users of things as retaliation for being moderated, really isn't having a discussion it's blaming others for ones own behavior. All one has to do is have a civil discussion.
The primary difference in here is most are having a discussion, and a few appear to be only accusing those they dislike of things and trying to argue rather than discuss. The point is to have a constructive discussion; accusations and finger pointing are not constructive and do not display good faith. The reason threads like this were closed so quickly by volunteers is they knew this, and knew each time a thread is made about mods or users or groups of users there is no good intent, and it just turns into rather circular posts. That is displaying quality moderation by having a proactive group rather than reactive only, by ceasing it all and not letting users get themselves heated up and more likely to result in a ban from paid mods by having them cool off by locking threads so it can't sustain.
Fox. Even You know that's not how that works.
The nebulous 'They'. again.
M'dude. Did you ever stop to think.
Even if these 'bad actors' are doing what you claim, that they wouldn't get any where if you and other weren't doing things to break the rules? Reports only work if there is an actionable offense being reported.
Yeah when you manage to stack up bans as you have the moideration is less likely to show leniency. Just like any court will be more lenient with a first offender as opposed to a repeat offender.
Except as they have said, that most of the bans were handed out by the the Paid-Mods.
So basically your past deeds are having extended consequences. Maybe irf you actually learned from your mistakes you wouldn't keep making them over and over. Just saying.
But as we see here you'd rather blame EVERYONE else for your state than YOURSELF.
TYes. FOx. Everyone is out to get you.
They are everywhere, scheming to get you banned.
They are rewritting the rules, and bribing the entired moderation staff some how.
Yeah but im sure those moderators are also corrupt and out to get those users as well...
Hah Ha. Such a ridiculous notion concocted by some silly fleshy human brain.