Achievements Verification System

[𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪]

A verification system that verifies all achievements associated with the account are 100% legitimately earned.

This would require always-online verification with the program checking in real-time.

This invasive system would spy on your computer and the game itself in real-time, and thus would be 100% optional.

In cases where the game in question already has achievements earned prior to using this system, offer the option to reset the achievements and then activate this system.

In cases where people attempt to activate this system for a game while trying to use programs that could potentially fool said system, code additional features as-needed to check specifically for said attempts.

If this system worked, we could finally have a "Legitimate Achievements Level" implemented because now we'd have a way to verify the legitimacy of achievements. It would be nice if Steam finally had achievement levels, and this would ensure they are not hacked garbage.

This would require some thought and resources. Consider it a backburner project of passion if any Steam devs feel so inclined to take up the challenge.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Originalmente postado por 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪:

Optional. For people who want achievement levels.

No need to exist because achievements DO NOTHING thus their "legitness" is completely meaningless.

[Start_Running]

Originalmente postado por Big Bridge.mp4:

Originalmente postado por 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪:

Optional. For people who want achievement levels.

No need to exist because achievements DO NOTHING thus their "legitness" is completely meaningless.

And as pointed out. The devs are free to implement something along teh line of server side achievements. Which will of course will suck fior anyone who buys the game after the servers are repurposed.

It's not that things like SAM are some unstoppable menace that devs are powerless to stop. they literally do not care and have no reason to care if you cheat the cheevos or not.

[davidb11]

Requesting this is career suicide.
Seriously, it will kill the company dead that does it.

No need to do something this completely insane for Achievements.
It's also extremely illegal and unethical.

This is 100% malware.

[Satoru]

Originalmente postado por 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪:

Optional. For people who want achievement levels.

Again

1) This system already exists, its called server controlled achievements
2) As long as users control the client

YOU CANNOT ABSOLUTEY POSITIVELY TRUST THE CLIENT TO DO WHAT YOU THINK IT WILL DO

There is literally no way to guarantee this. The only way you can do this is

1) Have server run server software meaning your game has to be an MMO or such
2) Run games in the cloud where clients cannot be compromised

Feel free to choose which of these 2 options you want. Because there are no other options.

[Nx Machina]

Originalmente postado por 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪:

A verification system that verifies all achievements associated with the account are 100% legitimately earned.

Offline > switch to online > all achievements have same time stamp.

Originalmente postado por 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪:

This would require always-online verification with the program checking in real-time.

Invasive > data protection.

Originalmente postado por 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪:

This invasive system would spy on your computer and the game itself in real-time, and thus would be 100% optional.

Optional? Odd because i know no one who would agree to been spied on.

Originalmente postado por 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪:

In cases where the game in question already has achievements earned prior to using this system, offer the option to reset the achievements and then activate this system.

Activate a system to spy on you > not a big selling point.

Originalmente postado por 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪:

In cases where people attempt to activate this system for a game while trying to use programs that could potentially fool said system, code additional features as-needed to check specifically for said attempts.

Invasive > data protection.

Originalmente postado por 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪:

If this system worked, we could finally have a "Legitimate Achievements Level" implemented because now we'd have a way to verify the legitimacy of achievements. It would be nice if Steam finally had achievement levels, and this would ensure they are not hacked garbage.

The real reason for the thread. Achievement level, a meaningless value.

Originalmente postado por 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪:

This would require some thought

Which is lacking in the suggestion.

[Supafly]

Originalmente postado por Nx Machina:

Originalmente postado por 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪:

In cases where the game in question already has achievements earned prior to using this system, offer the option to reset the achievements and then activate this system.

Activate a system to spy on you > not a big selling point.

Wanted to add to this by saying I have
2,543 Achievements
28 Perfect game

Some of them were either extremely tedious/grinds, required a little luck (randomness of spawns) and actually difficult. Have nerve damage affecting me in many ways nowadays. So for the difficult ones I may not even manage to do them again now. Even OP's suggestion wasn't invasive I have no interest in downloading and playing old games to get 2543 achievements again. Especially when I have a backlog of games I still haven't got round to playing

I know I didn't cheat them and that's all that matters. Confident users that have both less and more than me would feel the same.

[Nx Machina]

Originalmente postado por Supafly:

I know I didn't cheat them and that's all that matters. Confident users that have both less and more than me would feel the same.

Exactly. You have no one but yourself to be accountable for. It is the "i have right to judge others" who feel they need to be the moral compass of others where they have no authority but that escapes them.

[Brian9824]

Not really feasible anyways which is why Valve doesn't care about achievements. The system would have to be so invasive its spyware. All an achievement unlock is, is the game sending a message to unlock an achievement. Any software can easily spoof that and Valve has no way to tell if its the game or a 3rd party tool that looks like the game saying the achievement i unlocked.
Not to mention any system that requires you to completely wipe out everyones achievements, is optional, thus a tiny portion of the tiny portion that even cares about achievements will ever use it....

THEN your asking them to then design features for a tiny percent of a tiny percent, all so you can get rewards for getting rewarded...

Not sure why people can't be happy with the achievement as a reward, and keep expecting to get rewarded for getting rewarded

[FOXDUDE69]

Cheaters will hate this suggestion.

[Brian9824]

As summed up well in another thread its pointless because

Originalmente postado por FOXDUDE69:

it's not something most people do, because most people are either want their achievements to reflect the truth or don't care about achievements at all. It takes an extremely "special" kind of person to use SAM.

As stated, those who care about achievements don't cheat so verification isn't needed, or they don't care about achievements at all rendering the suggestion pointless

[Supafly]

Originalmente postado por FOXDUDE69:

Cheaters will hate this suggestion.

And so will those of us that don't cheat them. Not invading my system with what would essentially be Invasive Malware. If others want to cheat them that's fine. It's their account. YOU and only YOU know if you cheated them or not. That's all that matters. Personally having cheated achievements would just ruin them completely for me.

I have a few games where I only need 1-2 to 100% them. Considered cheating them but couldn't bring myself to do it. 1 I can remember is do something that can be a bit tricky and the enemies required only spawn frequently before a certain point in the game. After that they only spawn in 1-2 location within a certain time period. Game has no way to advance time so if they don't spawn or you don't manage to do it you're left sitting around till the following day. Thats one task you have to do 20 times (i think) from a list of 30+ things to get the achievement. I've done all the rest. Can't be arsed to play it again and do the 30+ things on the list again. Bored with the game.

There are other games like that and game where I just not good enough or can't be arsed with grind ♥♥♥♥. I refuse to cheat them and I ******************************************************* detest this suggestion

[FOXDUDE69]

Originalmente postado por brian9824:

As summed up well in another thread its pointless because

Originalmente postado por FOXDUDE69:

it's not something most people do, because most people are either want their achievements to reflect the truth or don't care about achievements at all. It takes an extremely "special" kind of person to use SAM.

As stated, those who care about achievements don't cheat so verification isn't needed, or they don't care about achievements at all rendering the suggestion pointless

Not many athletes take performance enhancing drugs either but we still have drug tests to ensure their athletic achievements are legit.

[Brian9824]

Originalmente postado por Supafly:

Originalmente postado por FOXDUDE69:

Cheaters will hate this suggestion.

And so will those of us that don't cheat them. Not invading my system with what would essentially be Invasive Malware. If others want to cheat them that's fine. It's their account. YOU and only YOU know if you cheated them or not. That's all that matters. Personally having cheated achievements would just ruin them completely for me.

I have a few games where I only need 1-2 to 100% them. Considered cheating them but couldn't bring myself to do it. 1 I can remember is do something that can be a bit tricky and the enemies required only spawn frequently before a certain point in the game. After that they only spawn in 1-2 location within a certain time period. Game has no way to advance time so if they don't spawn or you don't manage to do it you're left sitting around till the following day. Thats one task you have to do 20 times (i think) from a list of 30+ things to get the achievement. I've done all the rest. Can't be arsed to play it again and do the 30+ things on the list again. Bored with the game.

There are other games like that and game where I just not good enough or can't be arsed with grind ♥♥♥♥. I refuse to cheat them and I ******************************************************* detest this suggestion

Not to mention whenever a suggestion has to start with "it would be optional" then you know its a bad idea and a waste of time. Using up development resources for something only like 5-10% of people even care about, then requiring them to lose YEARS of progress and giving up every achievement ever earned to use it, including achievements that can't be regained or took hundreds of hours to get, then saying for steam to install spyware on your PC, and on and on sounds like a horrible idea.

[Brian9824]

Originalmente postado por FOXDUDE69:

Originalmente postado por brian9824:

As summed up well in another thread its pointless because



As stated, those who care about achievements don't cheat so verification isn't needed, or they don't care about achievements at all rendering the suggestion pointless

Not many athletes take performance enhancing drugs either but we still have drug tests to ensure their athletic achievements are legit.

Pretty poor analogy as this is not a regulated environment with cash prizes, world records, government sponsorship, etc.

If someone cheats in sports innocent people are deprived and hurt. If someone cheats and uses SAM no one else is hurt.

This would be more akin to someone solving crossword puzzles in their newspaper and instituting an online only method where you are tracked by camera while solving a puzzle because a few people cheat....

[Nx Machina]

Originalmente postado por FOXDUDE69:

Not many athletes take performance enhancing drugs either but we still have drug tests to ensure their athletic achievements are legit.

Are you owed an explanation for others actions when it comes to achievements? No.