Astrospud 2023 年 7 月 14 日 下午 7:43
Recommendation: Country of origin on Game store pages
Just to help consumers understand where their money is going, and potentially their personal information (and maybe even geolocation data), could Valve please include on each store page, the country of origin of the games that are being sold, as well as a direct link to the home page game devs (if there is one).

This way, it will allow for consumers to personally gather information of potentially data theft from bad state actors.

To all that reply to say this information can be forged, I say do your homework and learn to identify fake websites by language cues and the like.
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Astrospud 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 12:16 
引用自 Anxiety
Yeah... sure... That just shows you have no clue how the industry works, gaming or not.

I am not a game dev, that's true. Are you?
Anxiety 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 12:29 
引用自 Astrospud
引用自 Anxiety
Yeah... sure... That just shows you have no clue how the industry works, gaming or not.

I am not a game dev, that's true. Are you?
Gaming has nothing to do with legal stuff, such as "development headquarters" place of registration. It's an extremely popular thing. It just doesn't get mentioned anywhere, because, well, there is no need to. But if we imagine for a moment that Valve would have reasons and means to enforce your idea... Let's say, you won't get what you want :lunar2020contentgoat:

If you just want to discriminate against China, then maybe. Still miss plenty of actual cases.
最後修改者:Anxiety; 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 12:33
Vakers 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 12:32 
引用自 Astrospud
引用自 Anxiety
Forget China, you'll be surprised how many games are coming from Cyprus... Don't see how that would be helpful.

Actually it's very helpful. If there was a "country of origin" label on games, it would high-lite an industry that would otherwise be under-reported on and would, in the case of Cyprus, give Cypriots great pride in their gaming industry.
Nothing to be proud about there; tech & games companies just register/headquarter there because of tax benefits. It's an attractive country for foreign businesses. I would be surprised if any of them are actually Cypriots.
Anxiety 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 12:36 
引用自 Vakari
Nothing to be proud about there; tech & games companies just register/headquarter there because of tax benefits. It's an attractive country for foreign businesses.
And it's far from being the only country used for these purposes.

That's just how business operates today.
Vakers 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 12:43 
引用自 Anxiety
引用自 Vakari
Nothing to be proud about there; tech & games companies just register/headquarter there because of tax benefits. It's an attractive country for foreign businesses.
And it's far from being the only country used for these purposes.

That's just how business operates today.
I was going to save this for the OP but I'll just say it now, my point in even mentioning that is to point out that maybe the OP doesn't really know as much about the world or other countries as they like to think, and that buying something "from" a country isn't really as black and white a thing as it's made out to be.

By the way, Chinese holding/investment companies like Tencent have stake in a whole lot of game developers/publishers' companies and their stock, so good luck. Even if the game was developed outside of China, doesn't mean your money isn't going to China.
Prof.Jackie 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 12:48 
引用自 Astrospud
Actually it's very helpful. If there was a "country of origin" label on games

Let me give you a practical example why this doesn't work:
Escape from Tarkov

Officially the Battlestate Games Headquarter is located in London and payments go there. A small indie developer with a studio in the heart of London, which is really expensive, seems kinda strange doesn't it?
When you look up the address you'll notice it's just an open office space where you can rent single desks per month as work space.
Meanwhile when you look up the founders and people working at Battlestate Games on social media you'll notice one thing:
They all currently live and work in Russia, either St. Petersburg or Moscow in most cases.

Quite convenient for them to have people believe they are a company from the UK, especially when Russia invaded Ukraine and people would call for boykott of russian companies and business with them would be sanctioned.
最後修改者:Prof.Jackie; 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 12:50
Nx Machina 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 1:07 
I suggest you open your PC, list all the parts and you will find the majority are made in China, but the real question is, will you sell your PC knowing that.

Secondly studios consist of multiple nationalities so are you going to stop playing a game or games because 5% or more of the developers are from China or have Chinese origin and are working in Western Studios.

And finally all information on the store page is provided by the developer, publisher, not Valve.
Astrospud 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 1:08 
Lot's of quite good points here. Thanks for putting them forward and thankyou all for not making it the typical ad hominem attacks found across the community.

My OP was a means of addressing something that has come to the fore in recent months.

China has a bad rep in terms of their IP theft history, dodgy manufacturing and labour practices (Foxcon, Shein, Temu, Huawei et al), and more closely related to Steam, data theft via games and social media platforms. I think my post could be a way of giving the vulnerable consumers on Steam a bit more of a forewarning of where they are sending their money and personal details.

It was a suggestion to get some action going for those vulnerable gamers here that are lured by flashy presentation and themes, like digital bait.

Even as I would appear to be unworldly and naive in terms of the tax-dodging and false-fronting for digital distribution purposes, I'm raising this issue from a position of advocacy, not xenophobia or anti-Chinese (read race, not business practice) sentiment. I would've hoped that this more passive attempt at raising awareness would be received more positively...
Prof.Jackie 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 1:26 
Oh and btw, what about all those Studios that cmpanies like Tencent or Netease hold shares of?
I mean technically every sold copy of a game generates money for them. I mean we have
  • Ubisoft
  • Epic Games
  • Quantic Dreams
  • FromSoftware
  • Grasshopper
  • Activision
  • Bungie
(and the list goes on and on)
76561198407601200 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 2:02 
I wouldn't hold my breath on this. It has been asked previously and it is an unneeded idea.
peppermint hollows 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 10:12 
引用自 Vakari
引用自 Anxiety
And it's far from being the only country used for these purposes.

That's just how business operates today.
I was going to save this for the OP but I'll just say it now, my point in even mentioning that is to point out that maybe the OP doesn't really know as much about the world or other countries as they like to think, and that buying something "from" a country isn't really as black and white a thing as it's made out to be.

By the way, Chinese holding/investment companies like Tencent have stake in a whole lot of game developers/publishers' companies and their stock, so good luck. Even if the game was developed outside of China, doesn't mean your money isn't going to China.

引用自 Prof.Jackie
Oh and btw, what about all those Studios that cmpanies like Tencent or Netease hold shares of?
I mean technically every sold copy of a game generates money for them. I mean we have
  • Ubisoft
  • Epic Games
  • Quantic Dreams
  • FromSoftware
  • Grasshopper
  • Activision
  • Bungie
(and the list goes on and on)

I think these two posts are the most pertinent to your suggestion and illustrate just how little showing the game's country of origin would mean. Chinese companies like Tencent and NetEase do indeed have large stakes/shares in non-Chinese publishers and development studios. If you really wanted to avoid giving money to China you'd need to also show every single shareholder investing in the game's developer and publisher. And as someone else pointed out you might as well also pull your PC apart and double check where your parts are made.
Crazy Tiger 2023 年 7 月 15 日 上午 10:23 
引用自 Astrospud
It was a suggestion to get some action going for those vulnerable gamers here that are lured by flashy presentation and themes, like digital bait.
Those don't look at such information, nor care about it.
Unexpected 2023 年 7 月 15 日 下午 12:18 
it might be just easier to google the company and see where they are located, but i personally wouldnt for single person indie devs since they are just trying to make bread like all of us
MalikQayum 2023 年 7 月 18 日 上午 12:44 
i think this sounds like a great idea, while we are at it, we should allow the same curtesy back. we provide all of our details to them, age, gender, relationship status, income, address (geolocation) so they can to their best of abilities assist us, we should also provide a cellphone number in case we need instant support.
would medical history be relevant? i guess it could be, in case some games have epilepsies / seizure provoking content.
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