Keep Windows 7/8 Support or Create A Legacy Client

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Not everybody can switch because some hardware, software, and games just don't work well or run at all on newer versions of Windows.

[davidb11]

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

we all know that someone does care about steams forum.

that someone is steam, who needs shadow conspiracy

we have black friday mega conglomerate sales conspiracy happening right now all across the world, this should be more the enough proof that shadow conspiracy is real and base lined marketing advertising wants to sell you a discounted Computer with windows 11 to push the whole agenda.

nows as good a time to upgrade as ever

THat has to be a joke. That's just not how conspiracies work at all.
You clearly don't know what they are.

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davidb11 původně napsal:

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

we all know that someone does care about steams forum.

that someone is steam, who needs shadow conspiracy

we have black friday mega conglomerate sales conspiracy happening right now all across the world, this should be more the enough proof that shadow conspiracy is real and base lined marketing advertising wants to sell you a discounted Computer with windows 11 to push the whole agenda.

nows as good a time to upgrade as ever

THat has to be a joke. That's just not how conspiracies work at all.
You clearly don't know what they are.

It's literally just an arbitary date. And its only become a thing in the last 20 or so years.. OUtside the US at least, kinda lining up with the increase in international exposure to US media.

And the reason it lands when it does is simply because its the time when stores are trying to clear out all the fall and leftover summer inventory so they can stock up for the CHristmas/Winter/New Year's stuff.

This is the thing about conspiracies. they're usually the evidence of how little the person expousing them understands or knows about something.

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this is how people who acknowledge the world conspiracies try to hide them saying "Nothing is going on this is normal"

i am sorry but terminated support for a operating system still in use is not normal.

imagine if everyone thought the same about steam, thats its old and irrelevant and users should instead use a different app because its new and has better grasp on what the younger more youthful generation wants.

its pretty clear that steam wants to play the out of date card, has anyone considered that Steam is out of date?

[Thermal Lance]

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

this is how people who acknowledge the world conspiracies try to hide them saying "Nothing is going on this is normal"

i am sorry but terminated support for a operating system still in use is not normal.

imagine if everyone thought the same about steam, thats its old and irrelevant and users should instead use epic games because its new and has better grasp on what the younger more youthful generation wants.

its pretty clear that steam wants to play the out of date card, has anyone considered that Steam is out of date?

There is always holdouts for each OS. No, companies won't wait for numbers to be ZERO to drop support. This is not how ♥♥♥♥ works.

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but instead create zero numbers? that makes very little sense, steam is already running a lot of zero population games. Just because steam can drop support doesn't mean it should, its a ethical choice they are breaking user ethics by refusing to provide service to users who currently own windows 7

there is no reason that windows 7 users can't continue to play games and install games they own without being subjected to the marketing store and steams advertising policy

[Thermal Lance]

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

but instead create zero numbers? that makes very little sense, steam is already running a lot of zero population games. Just because steam can drop support doesn't mean it should, its a ethical choice they are breaking user ethics by refusing to provide service to users who currently own windows 7

there is no reason that windows 7 users can't continue to play games and install games they own without being subjected to the marketing store and steams advertising policy

Which is pointless for Steam.

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BOTThermal Lance v1.0 RC2 původně napsal:

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

this is how people who acknowledge the world conspiracies try to hide them saying "Nothing is going on this is normal"

i am sorry but terminated support for a operating system still in use is not normal.

imagine if everyone thought the same about steam, thats its old and irrelevant and users should instead use epic games because its new and has better grasp on what the younger more youthful generation wants.

its pretty clear that steam wants to play the out of date card, has anyone considered that Steam is out of date?

There is always holdouts for each OS. No, companies won't wait for numbers to be ZERO to drop support. This is not how ♥♥♥♥ works.

Esepcially when you consider in poorer regions it's typically just easier to keep using the old crap.
I still see casheier terminals running XP in my day to day travels.

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

but instead create zero numbers? that makes very little sense, steam is already running a lot of zero population games. Just because steam can drop support doesn't mean it should, its a ethical choice they are breaking user ethics by refusing to provide service to users who currently own windows 7

Steam is not running rthe games ie they're not taking up any server time or resources.
Its sorta like this. If the game has zero population.. then the server dev hosted is typically not incurring any load., unless its a persistent woprld game like minecraft or an MMO. And even then that depends on how the devs set up the instantiation and netcoding.

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

there is no reason that windows 7 users can't continue to play games and install games they own without being subjected to the marketing store and steams advertising policy

You mean aside from the fact that the W7 client would not have the means to access the servers for license verification, and downloading due to the OS lacking the needed security certificates and so forth?

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not at all i expect steam to release a windows 7 version of steam to be compliant with the software till the end of time. what i have a problem with is steam throwing regions an millions of people under the windows 7 bus for the sake of being microsoft and google scapegoats suggesting that the programmers and developers they have are incapable of creating there own software without support of things that didn't exist before 2010 is irrational.

steam could easily release a legacy compliant windows xp and windows 7 version that doesn't have a store front and only allows users to install games they own an play those games that are compatible with those operating systems.

its not about steams profit its about users having access to what they paid for, failure to do this under minds the customers trust which will ultimately lead to people finding different platforms to purchase on.

[Knee]

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

not at all i expect steam to release a windows 7 version of steam to be compliant with the software till the end of time. what i have a problem with is steam throwing regions an millions of people under the windows 7 bus for the sake of being microsoft and google scapegoats suggesting that the programmers and developers they have are incapable of creating there own software without support of things that didn't exist before 2010 is irrational.

steam could easily release a legacy compliant windows xp and windows 7 version that doesn't have a store front and only allows users to install games they own an play those games that are compatible with those operating systems.

its not about steams profit its about users having access to what they paid for, failure to do this under minds the customers trust which will ultimately lead to people finding different platforms to purchase on.

could you try the teeniest bit to discuss in good faith? we all know you don’t “believe” that the player count is anywhere near the millions

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Knee původně napsal:

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

not at all i expect steam to release a windows 7 version of steam to be compliant with the software till the end of time. what i have a problem with is steam throwing regions an millions of people under the windows 7 bus for the sake of being microsoft and google scapegoats suggesting that the programmers and developers they have are incapable of creating there own software without support of things that didn't exist before 2010 is irrational.

steam could easily release a legacy compliant windows xp and windows 7 version that doesn't have a store front and only allows users to install games they own an play those games that are compatible with those operating systems.

its not about steams profit its about users having access to what they paid for, failure to do this under minds the customers trust which will ultimately lead to people finding different platforms to purchase on.

could you try the teeniest bit to discuss in good faith? we all know you don’t “believe” that the player count is anywhere near the millions

Belief is a fuinny thing. You can state belief in anything but reality has no obligation to conform to beliefs. Where supporting facts and evidence exist Objectively, there is no need to bring up beliefs.

And again. Millions of people choosing not to upgrade is their choice, and thusly they have to deal with the consquences of that choice. Valve is not obligated to remove or cater to the preferences of a fraction of a percent of its user base. especially since that fraction has a disproportionately low contribution to the revenue.

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Start_Running původně napsal:

especially since that fraction has a disproportionately low contribution to the revenue.

its subjective to say that all users combined as low contribution to the revenue and that steams major contributions are received from Microsoft and other Companies seeking to sell Hardware with Software temptation.

It is also subjective considering steam wants to do nothing for its real users yet has in place some very odd pattern of deceit and market manipulation that only promotes what these major mega corps want.

its a safe bet i guess for steam to support its finical backer such as Mircosoft.
There is no reason to consider the users as any type of revenue to Steam.

Lets consider for the facts i am a steam user, and i have contributed zero to steam revenue.

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Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

Start_Running původně napsal:

especially since that fraction has a disproportionately low contribution to the revenue.

its subjective to say that all users combined as low contribution to the revenue and that steams major contributions are received from Microsoft and other Companies seeking to sell Hardware with Software temptation.

And having a low contribution is a low contribution. If you account for 1% of the audience but onlt account for 0.5% of the revenue then yeah you're kinda not worth keeping as a customer. Certauinly not worth any major expenditure or under taking.

Whenyour contribution fall into the realm of a statistical rounding error. You may as well not exist as far aas the company is concerned. You're not worth catering to.. especially when such catering puts either their business partners or the other 99 % of actually valuable customers at risk.

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

It is also subjective considering steam wants to do nothing for its real users yet has in place some very odd pattern of deceit and market manipulation that only promotes what these major mega corps want.

Users are a dime a dozen. TYhey can be replaced easily. Paying customers are what are important. As in paying with actual money. Those are the 'real' users as far as STeam and most other businesses are concerned.

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

its a safe bet i guess for steam to support its finical backer such as Mircosoft.
There is no reason to consider the users as any type of revenue to Steam.

If they aren't spending they aren't a revenue source now are they?

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

Lets consider for the facts i am a steam user, and i have contributed zero to steam revenue.

Yes you're a user. But you're not a customer. and if Valve has to decide who to inconvenience. it's gonna be the people not spending money.

[Sooh]

Start_Running původně napsal:

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

its subjective to say that all users combined as low contribution to the revenue and that steams major contributions are received from Microsoft and other Companies seeking to sell Hardware with Software temptation.

And having a low contribution is a low contribution. If you account for 1% of the audience but onlt account for 0.5% of the revenue then yeah you're kinda not worth keeping as a customer. Certauinly not worth any major expenditure or under taking.

Whenyour contribution fall into the realm of a statistical rounding error. You may as well not exist as far aas the company is concerned. You're not worth catering to.. especially when such catering puts either their business partners or the other 99 % of actually valuable customers at risk.

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

It is also subjective considering steam wants to do nothing for its real users yet has in place some very odd pattern of deceit and market manipulation that only promotes what these major mega corps want.

Users are a dime a dozen. TYhey can be replaced easily. Paying customers are what are important. As in paying with actual money. Those are the 'real' users as far as STeam and most other businesses are concerned.

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

its a safe bet i guess for steam to support its finical backer such as Mircosoft.
There is no reason to consider the users as any type of revenue to Steam.

If they aren't spending they aren't a revenue source now are they?

Everyone is Invited původně napsal:

Lets consider for the facts i am a steam user, and i have contributed zero to steam revenue.

Yes you're a user. But you're not a customer. and if Valve has to decide who to inconvenience. it's gonna be the people not spending money.

Dude, Steam act the same way as everyone.. Lazy attitude / Gaining More Money,. that's it.

When we ask about a legacy version it's because we want Steam to understand that they have the responsability to make their platform available for still powerfull OS.

Windows xp and below, i can undestand.. limited 4gb of Ram with a 32bit version.. but windows 7, with 64 bits and 120gb of Ram available.. there is no reason other than being lazy..

There is also a reason why there is soo many peoples that still stay way from windows 10..

It should ring Bells when Microsoft decided to give Free windows 10 to all windows 7 users... Dude there is nothing free in this world. Microsoft will get its payment somewhere else lol.

Alos, windows 10 is less performant than windows 7 due to how windows 10 has been coded.. with tones and tones of useless features.. those features just slow down the computer.. You look at your Disc Usage and frequently it's at 100%..which slow down windows.. Same for the CPU... for no reason, sometime, the CPU jump to 100% and remains there..

This is all those little thing that are accumulated overtime, that make windows 10 a Bad Windows..

Again.. i run windows 7 with 32Gb of Ram, Ryzen 5 1600 (possible to upgrade to Ryzen 7 but not higher due to Motherboard drivers...)

By keeping windows 7, we send a clear message to Microsoft that we dont like their new product.. But again, the free update has attracted billions of people.. Those people has already accepted the faith that windows 10 is bad..but when you accept it, you will defend it saying windows 10 is not that bad...

just navigating around is a frustration.. too many options everywhere, the desing is just bad...

SInce windows 8, Microsoft is sticking hard, really hard, HARRRRD!!!! on tablet interface and has stopped working with Desktop Interface. Windows 11 interface..dont tell me it's a real windows interface lol. for me, a real windows interface is what we had since 95,98,ME, 2000, XP, Vista and 7. since windows 8, it's a drop.

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Sooh původně napsal:

Windows xp and below, i can undestand..

When they dropped WinXP support, people were making the same arguments that you are now about it having been the best version of Windows ever and Steam was making a mistake for abandoning it. You understand it now because it's been several years since and the sentiments have been lost to time.

Sooh původně napsal:

Alos, windows 10 is less performant than windows 7 due to how windows 10 has been coded.. with tones and tones of useless features.. those features just slow down the computer.. You look at your Disc Usage and frequently it's at 100%..which slow down windows.. Same for the CPU... for no reason, sometime, the CPU jump to 100% and remains there..

This is all those little thing that are accumulated overtime, that make windows 10 a Bad Windows..

Just for giggles, I installed Windows 10 on an Acer TimelineX 1830T, with a Core i5 U430 @1.20Ghz, 2C/4T, w/ 4GB RAM. Runs just fine on the 13 year old laptop.

Sooh původně napsal:

By keeping windows 7, we send a clear message to Microsoft that we dont like their new product..

They're not listening to you. But keep up the good fight.

Sooh původně napsal:

you will defend it saying windows 10 is not that bad...

It's not the greatest, but the worst parts are manageable if you know what to do.

Sooh původně napsal:

just navigating around is a frustration.. too many options everywhere, the desing is just bad...

This is an experience that goes away with time. I'm not happy with the UI changes that came with 11, but I'm learning all the ways to turn those options off and get the UI back to something that I'm more familiar with.

Sooh původně napsal:

SInce windows 8, Microsoft is sticking hard, really hard, HARRRRD!!!! on tablet interface and has stopped working with Desktop Interface. Windows 11 interface..dont tell me it's a real windows interface lol. for me, a real windows interface is what we had since 95,98,ME, 2000, XP, Vista and 7. since windows 8, it's a drop.

But with every new version from 95, Microsoft was always moving things around introducing new features and options. Nothing has changed in that regard from 7 to 10 and 11. To think that Microsoft is ever going to stop doing that is senseless.

As I've said in other threads, you are more than welcome to stick with 7. You like it. You don't want 10 or 11. Fine. But just like XP and those that came before it, no one is obligated to backport support for 7. In a few more years, we'll go through all of this all over again with Windows 10 with people lauding that Windows 10 is the best version ever and no one ever needs to upgrade to 11 or 12. A few more years after that, we'll do it again with 11, then 12, and so on. If you want Steam to continue to work, hop on the train with the rest of us and get your OS up to date.

[cabal2600]

Another trick for Platforms like Steam force everyone for a weaker hacker friendly windows system with minimal security features so your system won't fight back but rather accept all types of viruses and worms so anyone would be easily be able to spy or potentially cost harm to your system or steal personal information without any issues...