19Topgun93 2022 年 10 月 18 日 下午 1:11
We have to talk for VPN
We need clearity for the VPN-Status. In your Guild line stand, you can have a Ban for this. At my Opinion is this wrong.
Hat has to be banned, If you buy games that are a lot of Cheaper then in your Region, but I think to play with other people, or to have a uncut Version of the game, it is totally wrong to make this.

It has to be a better soloution to save the customer for this beavior, instead of, it is not wrong to Play the game. If you play a game that have only servers in Japan and is not yet avaible in Europe, for example. That are thinks that should be allowed.
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Boblin the Goblin 2022 年 10 月 18 日 下午 1:16 
It is against the User Agreement to use a VPN to bypass region restrictions or abuse regional pricing.

Region restrictions are in place because of local Governments, not Valve. Regional pricing is set by the developer to help those in poorer countries experience their games.

You agreed to these terms when you made the account.
19Topgun93 2022 年 10 月 18 日 下午 1:24 
引用自 KittenGrindr
It is against the User Agreement to use a VPN to bypass region restrictions or abuse regional pricing.

Region restrictions are in place because of local Governments, not Valve. Regional pricing is set by the developer to help those in poorer countries experience their games.

You agreed to these terms when you made the account.

For example in Germany it is allowed to buy index Games. They are not allowed to be advertised to the Public. But I can go to my store, and buy it.
Yeah I agreed, a long time ago, the agreements. But at the beginnig there wasn't this rule. And I think it would be better, if another soulution could be find. In Germany you have to be 18 to buy Index stuff. So use the ID Card and it is all good.

With the regional pricing I agree with you, because this is unfair. But the other thinks, has to be change. It is not the correct law in our case.
Boblin the Goblin 2022 年 10 月 18 日 下午 1:29 
引用自 KittenGrindr
It is against the User Agreement to use a VPN to bypass region restrictions or abuse regional pricing.

Region restrictions are in place because of local Governments, not Valve. Regional pricing is set by the developer to help those in poorer countries experience their games.

You agreed to these terms when you made the account.

For example in Germany it is allowed to buy index Games. They are not allowed to be advertised to the Public. But I can go to my store, and buy it.
Yeah I agreed, a long time ago, the agreements. But at the beginnig there wasn't this rule. And I think it would be better, if another soulution could be find. In Germany you have to be 18 to buy Index stuff. So use the ID Card and it is all good.

When they update their EULA, they make you sign it again because they are required to. So it may not have been in the very first EULA, but you did sign off on it since you still have an account.

With the regional pricing I agree with you, because this is unfair. But the other thinks, has to be change. It is not the correct law in our case.

This isn't really a law issue. You're talking about changing whole economies to match each other. Valve has their rules that say you can't bypass your region restriction. Those rules are in place not because of Valve, but be cause of individual governments. Valve also doesn't control regional pricing or pricing at all, the devs/publishers do.
Mad Scientist 2022 年 10 月 18 日 下午 1:31 
引用自 KittenGrindr
It is against the User Agreement to use a VPN to bypass region restrictions or abuse regional pricing.

Region restrictions are in place because of local Governments, not Valve. Regional pricing is set by the developer to help those in poorer countries experience their games.

You agreed to these terms when you made the account.

For example in Germany it is allowed to buy index Games. They are not allowed to be advertised to the Public. But I can go to my store, and buy it.
Yeah I agreed, a long time ago, the agreements. But at the beginnig there wasn't this rule. And I think it would be better, if another soulution could be find. In Germany you have to be 18 to buy Index stuff. So use the ID Card and it is all good.

With the regional pricing I agree with you, because this is unfair. But the other thinks, has to be change. It is not the correct law in our case.
The VPN thing is to not bypass regional restrictions as you've been told.

Also anytime the agreement is updated, you either accept or you can't use the functions. This acceptance is also when you make a transaction on Steam for a game, or use the community market to buy/sell things.

They don't care about standard VPN use, they care about abusing it in attempt to get cheaper prices, which is thankfully no longer a thing since it requires a billing address to be valid with the payment method.
Boblin the Goblin 2022 年 10 月 18 日 下午 1:33 
引用自 Mad Scientist

For example in Germany it is allowed to buy index Games. They are not allowed to be advertised to the Public. But I can go to my store, and buy it.
Yeah I agreed, a long time ago, the agreements. But at the beginnig there wasn't this rule. And I think it would be better, if another soulution could be find. In Germany you have to be 18 to buy Index stuff. So use the ID Card and it is all good.

With the regional pricing I agree with you, because this is unfair. But the other thinks, has to be change. It is not the correct law in our case.
The VPN thing is to not bypass regional restrictions as you've been told.

Also anytime the agreement is updated, you either accept or you can't use the functions. This acceptance is also when you make a transaction on Steam for a game, or use the community market to buy/sell things.

They don't care about standard VPN use, they care about abusing it in attempt to get cheaper prices, which is thankfully no longer a thing since it requires a billing address to be valid with the payment method.


Valve knows the importance of a VPN.

They also know how liable they are if people one to break the law on their platform and they have no punishment in place for doing so.
最后由 Boblin the Goblin 编辑于; 2022 年 10 月 18 日 下午 1:33
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2022 年 10 月 18 日 下午 2:35 
引用自 19Topgun93 - Linux Gaming
We need clearity for the VPN-Status. In your Guild line stand, you can have a Ban for this. At my Opinion is this wrong.
Hat has to be banned, If you buy games that are a lot of Cheaper then in your Region, but I think to play with other people, or to have a uncut Version of the game, it is totally wrong to make this.

It has to be a better soloution to save the customer for this beavior, instead of, it is not wrong to Play the game. If you play a game that have only servers in Japan and is not yet avaible in Europe, for example. That are thinks that should be allowed.

Valve doesn't have control over publishing licenses being restricted to specific regions.

Some games like Lost Ark have 2 separate publishers for different regions. One is by Amazon and the other is Mail.ru .

:qr:
Ducks on Fire 2022 年 10 月 18 日 下午 5:31 
引用自 19Topgun93 - Linux Gaming
but I think to play with other people, or to have a uncut Version of the game, it is totally wrong to make this.

It has to be a better soloution to save the customer for this beavior, instead of, it is not wrong to Play the game. If you play a game that have only servers in Japan and is not yet avaible in Europe, for example. That are thinks that should be allowed.

If an uncut version of a game isn't available to you then it is not available to you. You are not allowed to use a VPN to try and get a different version of a game than the one that is being sold to you. There could be a few reasons why a game has a different version; there may be content that is banned by law in a country, or there may be licensing issues with certain content.

If a game only has servers available in certain regions then, again, there is probably a reason for that. Plus having people connect to servers that they weren't meant to can have a negative impact on those servers.

Just because VPNs exist and can be used to do all sorts of things doesn't mean you are allowed to. You don't get a right to use them to ignore regional restriction just because you don't think they are fair. From laws about content to issues with copyrights and licenses there are a lot of reasons why something is unavailable in certain regions or on certain platforms. Valve can be held responsible for its users violating regional laws and restrictions if they aren't taking reasonable action to try and prevent such things.

As a side note this is why I hate VPN advertising so much. They actively encourage their users to try and circumvent regional restrictions without any regard for whether or not those users would face consequences for doing so. Nor do they seem to care about the people or companies whose products are restricted to certain regions. Then again maybe those companies would be perfectly fine with people finding a way to bypass the restriction of having to pay for the use of their VPN....
19Topgun93 2022 年 10 月 19 日 上午 11:28 
引用自 Ducks on Fire
引用自 19Topgun93 - Linux Gaming
but I think to play with other people, or to have a uncut Version of the game, it is totally wrong to make this.

It has to be a better soloution to save the customer for this beavior, instead of, it is not wrong to Play the game. If you play a game that have only servers in Japan and is not yet avaible in Europe, for example. That are thinks that should be allowed.

If an uncut version of a game isn't available to you then it is not available to you. You are not allowed to use a VPN to try and get a different version of a game than the one that is being sold to you. There could be a few reasons why a game has a different version; there may be content that is banned by law in a country, or there may be licensing issues with certain content.

If a game only has servers available in certain regions then, again, there is probably a reason for that. Plus having people connect to servers that they weren't meant to can have a negative impact on those servers.

Just because VPNs exist and can be used to do all sorts of things doesn't mean you are allowed to. You don't get a right to use them to ignore regional restriction just because you don't think they are fair. From laws about content to issues with copyrights and licenses there are a lot of reasons why something is unavailable in certain regions or on certain platforms. Valve can be held responsible for its users violating regional laws and restrictions if they aren't taking reasonable action to try and prevent such things.

As a side note this is why I hate VPN advertising so much. They actively encourage their users to try and circumvent regional restrictions without any regard for whether or not those users would face consequences for doing so. Nor do they seem to care about the people or companies whose products are restricted to certain regions. Then again maybe those companies would be perfectly fine with people finding a way to bypass the restriction of having to pay for the use of their VPN....

The reasons are many possibilitys. It gives this with a good reason (cheaper keys), and it gives with a bad reason (Index).

Because it is Law, it hasn't to be good :D Plus, the restriction only exists, in that case that I mean, I don't break the law with this. So you cannot say^^ Because I could get it, but only via disc. And this is more and more rare. And I think, Valve could do something here or there. That doesn't include for me, with the license itself (but it is garbage :D) but if I am allowed to do so in my country, then I don't get ist.

If the VPN is used to access anime or those, then it is ok to I think. We pay for the service. The Region restricitons at all is not a good thing. I don't see it as a good think to have border in the Internet. We must find a middle way.
19Topgun93 2022 年 10 月 19 日 上午 11:30 
Plus, if I import from Austria for Example. I pay more then in Germany ;)
Boblin the Goblin 2022 年 10 月 19 日 上午 11:34 
引用自 Ducks on Fire
As a side note this is why I hate VPN advertising so much. They actively encourage their users to try and circumvent regional restrictions without any regard for whether or not those users would face consequences for doing so. Nor do they seem to care about the people or companies whose products are restricted to certain regions. Then again maybe those companies would be perfectly fine with people finding a way to bypass the restriction of having to pay for the use of their VPN....


Why should they care? The user is responsible for knowing the rules on services about using a VPN. The people/companies whose products are restricted is done so because of either local government laws or bureaucratic licensing issues. Bypassing those doesn't even affect them in a negative way. In fact, it gets reported as more viewers overall.

There's also the issue of people either staying in a different country while having an account based from somewhere else. VPNs can bypass the restriction on the account just because you aren't in your home country at the time.
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 2022 年 10 月 19 日 下午 12:04 
Steam has not ban any one that used VPN/Proxy for visiting other servers.

Steam does restrict people accounts if found abusing regional pricing, aka using VPN/proxy to get games cheaper. That is the difference between using another server, compare to trying to get games cheaper in another country/region you're not residing in.
最后由 Dr.Shadowds 🐉 编辑于; 2022 年 10 月 19 日 下午 12:05
Crashed 2022 年 10 月 19 日 下午 12:14 
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
Steam has not ban any one that used VPN/Proxy for visiting other servers.

Steam does restrict people accounts if found abusing regional pricing, aka using VPN/proxy to get games cheaper. That is the difference between using another server, compare to trying to get games cheaper in another country/region you're residing in.
If a particular VPN service is known for abuse, could that cause a ban?
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 2022 年 10 月 19 日 下午 12:21 
引用自 Crashed
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
Steam has not ban any one that used VPN/Proxy for visiting other servers.

Steam does restrict people accounts if found abusing regional pricing, aka using VPN/proxy to get games cheaper. That is the difference between using another server, compare to trying to get games cheaper in another country/region you're residing in.
If a particular VPN service is known for abuse, could that cause a ban?
What more likely to happen is being blocked for connection rather than ban, if VPN service is known for allowing criminal activity, or such that cause any provider, or service to be worry they just block it.

Example Epic games blocks certain IPs that happen to be VPN that a friend of mine used, he not ban just blocked, and all he had to do was get off that VPN service, and issue was basically resolved.

Anyways ban are likely due to regional price abuse, as visiting server wouldn't proc anything. There some game services that might ban you for using VPN, such as WoW, RuneScape, or etc, from what I seen on the forums years ago for them.
Sazzouu 2022 年 10 月 19 日 下午 12:24 
Valve does not ban for simply using VPN. Valve does ban for bypassing restrictions via VPN
Boblin the Goblin 2022 年 10 月 19 日 下午 12:46 
引用自 Crashed
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
Steam has not ban any one that used VPN/Proxy for visiting other servers.

Steam does restrict people accounts if found abusing regional pricing, aka using VPN/proxy to get games cheaper. That is the difference between using another server, compare to trying to get games cheaper in another country/region you're residing in.
If a particular VPN service is known for abuse, could that cause a ban?


Nah.

They don't punish users of a VPN for what other users do. It also is because they can see what account is doing the malicious activity so there's not need to ban just VPN users.

Some websites will block VPNs(which is dumb) but not outright ban accounts. I haven't heard of Steam blocking access to their store from any VPN.
最后由 Boblin the Goblin 编辑于; 2022 年 10 月 19 日 下午 12:47
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