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Valve had CAPTCHA before they had the 5 dollar minimum for adding people on Steam. Bots were beating it within an hour. Humans had to put up with it for a week before Valve finally got rid of it.
CAPTCHAs are a way to train AI... but because AI has become so good at doing CAPTCHAs they have had to make the CAPTCHAs harder and people with vision issues, and older people have issues doing them because they have become so hard to do in some cases. Heck I can see pretty well and it took me 14 tried to "pick out the X" where X was a bus or car or bikes or crosswalks or what ever.
CAPTCHAs today just slow down humans, not bot.
Because it doesn't work on 3rd party sites, there is just not enough people on those sites like on Steam. 25+ million active users a day, 140+ million active users per month, over 1 billion accounts in total. Even if only 1% of those daily users use the Steam Market (which its far higher than that, that is still far more people then on any one of those 3rd party sites.)
You notice it more because there are more users on Steam.
Actually yes HWID bans don't work because you can change them in literal seconds to minutes. Same with IPs. If they did work, don't you think they would be using them to stop cheaters in the first place? Of course they would.
And no TF2 bot user has a bunch of laptops (or computers in general) piled up in the corner because a bot got caught on it... not they that had that many to start with but they would have just sold them off somewhere.
The other problem with HWID and IP bans are all the innocent people that end up being banned. Most people have dynamic IPs that change every now and then anyway. Every time I have to turn off the power to my net connection, I get a new IP. Its not often it happens, but the power goes out now and then.
Get a HWID ban.... sell the hardware. Who ever gets it is now banned.
I have known the CAPTCHAs are useless since the day they were first put out. The first ones that hit the internet took a little bit for the bot makers to figure out, but once they broke the first CAPTCHA no website that used them was safe. After that reCAPTCHAs eventually came along... and were broken within a few days at most (been a while so hard to remember how long it was). Its a constant unending game of whack a mole that the markers of CAPTCHAs have already lost by frustrating the users.
I once worked for a company that was getting hit hard with bots on their forums. Everything I tried the bots would get around it within hours to days.
Finally I figured out a way... though to be honest I forget how I set it up as its been that long since I seen the bot trap, something about replying to a thread thats linked in a hidden discussion area (a link I would change now and then). BUT even that didn't stop the human factor. In some places people pay humans to actually beat bot traps to help the bots learn.
The bot trap did work for quite a while, but we still would get spam now and then, but again that was from humans who were doing it, I guess they felt a forum of only 75,000 people with many active mods and admins who would see stuff like that in minutes was worth their time to make an account and spam something that was usually blocked by my very VERY aggressive filters (would ban a word and also 100+ variants of it, even built a program to help me with making the variants). I even had an account that we could abuse on those forums so that we could test things out easier.
Pretty sure with a forums with hundreds of millions of potential targets my little bot trap would not last long and would have to be updated by the hour making it virtually useless.
So ya, no matter what Valve tries, bots ARE going to beat it and get in. Its an unending game of whack-a-mole that Valve has to get right 100% of the time, but only needs hackers to get it right .0001% of the time.
Not saying Valve should stop trying just that people need to learn its not as easy as they think it is. If it was easy there would be no spammers, no cheaters, no bots snapping up cheap stuff in seconds and no human would ever even notice any of the security.
I'm failing to see where I contradicted myself...
I said HWID bans don't work, they don't.
I said IP bans don't work, they don't.
I said TF2 bot users don't have a pile of laptops in a corner because they were caught cheating, they don't. (also your OP was not talking about TF2 bot cheaters, you were talking about bots buying stuff on the market)
Valve doesn't use HWID bans or IP bans. They know how useless they are.
TF2 bot users don't have a bunch of hardware in the corner because they were caught, they don't have a bunch of hardware in the corner at all because they don't need to. There is this thing called VM, virtual machine and depending on how powerful your hardware is, and what you are doing with it you can have dozens or even hundreds of VMs running on one computer. Each of them showing up with different hardware IDs. Also different IPs because of all the free VPNs out there that is impossible for Valve to keep track of them all the time, specially the ones in the darker places of the internet that pop up for a little bit and then vanish after some time.
I guess I will have to make it even simpler for you....
TF2 bot users don't have a bunch of hardware in the corner due to being caught. They have no reason to keep buying hardware because their bot was caught for a number of reasons.
Valve does NOT use hardware ID banning. That fact alone kills your idea that TF2 bot users that get caught cheating, just toss their old hardware in the corner or even sells it off to someone.
All a TF2 cheater has to do when they are caught by VAC is.... make a new account. Valve bans the account not the hardware. They can make a new account easily.
No where did I say TF2 cheaters do have a bunch of used hardware sitting around doing nothing because they were caught.... They wouldn't have a bunch of hardware sitting around doing nothing because there is ZERO reason why it would be sitting around doing nothing because....
And I will write this is big letters....
VALVE DOES NOT BAN HARDWARE IDS. They DON'T EVEN BAN BY IP.
Because Valve knows how useless it is to ban by either.
Heck just google "how to change hardware ID" or "how to change IP address" and you can see for yourself just how easy it is. Its to a point it can be automated.
There's simply not enough critical mass on those sites to put effort in beating the captcha there.
Steam though is the central hub every other third party site ends up.
HWID bans are not the silver bullet you think it is. Otherwise anticheat systems allover the world would have widely implemented it.
And I don't think you really know how botting in TF2 actually works.
I have been playing Valve games since before Steam even existed.... They have not and do not currently ban people by hardware or IPs because they know its pointless.
Valorant bands hardware IDs.... they still have a big cheating problem.
No game platform bans by IP because they know just how easy it is to change it.
Since you want to think that Valve can and is banning by hardware ID, and you think its effective, then how come there are so many cheaters out there? Do you really think they are spending hundreds to thousands of dollars buying new hardware every time they get caught?
And if they are, then what could Valve do to actually stop something, come on make a suggestion...
Connect a phone number? You can get free numbers on the internet. But since according to you, they are spending hundreds to thousands of dollars buying hardware they can just pay 30 bucks and get a new number...
Maybe talk to them over the phone... well thats kind of pointless people can change their voice with voice changers, some are actually quite hard to detect if its real or not.
Send in a picture of their ID? Ever hear of photoshop or just image editing in general? With no data base to compare the IDs to, Valve has no idea if the ID is legit or not. Then there is the problem with in some places its actually illegal for a company that is not physically in that country to ask for something like that, and Valve is not actually physically in many countries.
Since you think an IP can't be changed in seconds, well I can just surf on any number of wi-fi connections in my area from people who have no idea how to put a password on their wi-fi. Just checking the area I can see 100+ signals, half of which don't have locks/passwords on them. So then I could get everyone of those people banned, after all they can't change their IP according to you. Oh wait don't even need to do that... just use one of the thousands of free VPNs from around the world to change IP address.... When people run out of those, and they won't run out of those, they can just pay for a VPN.... After all if they are able to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on hardware that they just toss in the corner then they won't mind spending 100 bucks a year for a VPN.
What else am I forgetting...
Oh right, guess Valve could get peoples address and send someone to their home to watch over them while they play... thats not expensive at all...
Oh they could install invasive software on peoples computers.... oh right they tried that already just to stop cheaters in CSGO, but there was a HUGE backlash from the community in general about how bad of an idea that was that they backtracked quickly.
They could get people to only play on webcam... though not everyone has a webcam, or any other camera they could use like that, and many don't have the bandwidth needed to support something like that, not that it would matter cause you could just pipe in webcams from someone else not playing a steam game. Also how expensive would it be to have people looking at all those webcams and checking to see the person is actually playing the game they claim to be, all of which would have to be done from Valves end.... so they would need at least 20 or 30 million people working for them...
They could use a mic, some issues phone call.
So since you know better than Valve and you think Valve is already banning by hardware ID and IP (they are not, a VAC ban is just an account ban and thats it) what suggestion do you actually have for Valve to get rid of the cheaters and bots?
And remember it has to be cost effective and not effect the users too much.
So why would Valve add a method thats clearly not worked, if anything, backfired massively, to their platform?
Because we have quite literally been over this topic 100+ times on these forums. People come in and think they have a great and simple idea on how to prevent cheating/bots... and it ends up its never thought out.
And every single time you point out how bad the idea is they try something else... and then the problems with that is pointed out and then they come up with something else... and so on....
The problem is people do not bother to use the search function to bother looking for their idea first and read all the other threads about the topics then see that their idea has already been hashed out many times before and that their "new simple idea" is not new or simple as they think it is. Even as crappy as the search is, you can easily find all these repeated topics.
So you have to point out all the problems with every suggestion every time before they get going, but thanks to a crash I no longer had my copy and paste list of bad ideas and why they are bad and I didn't think about going into a previous post till now to get it.
But this OP is stuck with the idea that they think Hardware ID and IP bans are effect and that Valve does them but they are wrong on both counts. They seem to refuse to even bother doing any actual research on the matter with any search engine.
They would be banning everyone in a house hold just because of what one person did even if the person was just visiting at the time.
They would be banning whole cyber cafes because someone cheated while connected to their network.
They would be banning everyone at an e-sport tournament (when one idiot cheats and gets banned live on air (btw that was a funny moment)) because they all play on the same internet connection.
But all those people don't get banned because someone on the same connection is cheating. Only the account of the person who cheated is banned on VAC, nothing more.
Steam forcing thousands of minors to be on the webcam to play games would sure attract a lot of funny headlines and concerned-parents-with-too-much-free-time associations.
Ya the laws against that wouldn't allow that...
I need to make my copy and paste again.... I hate reinstalling from scratch.