The real way to combat cheaters in modern gaming.

[AftermathTheOG]

There's a really simple solution to stopping cheaters, that companies just don't seem to use. that's HWID/IP bans. Yes, I know some people can spoof their IP, but doing it to a HWID is a bit harder and usually involves voiding any warranty your system has. It's also really hard to do for modern cheaters, since they're breastfed on a touch screen device.

Also, why don't people queued with a cheater get punished. A couple wins removed from their total isn't much of a punishment. People playing with a cheater should be punished as equally to the cheater, regardless of whether they knew or not. This way, not only does it prevent players from getting boosted by cheaters, it also makes them consider the types of players they queue together with.

[AftermathTheOG]

Also, just bring phone number authentication for ranked gamemodes. A player is less likely to cheat if they're forced to verify a phone number to play ranked.

[Wolf Knight]

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

There's a really simple solution to stopping cheaters, that companies just don't seem to use. that's HWID/IP bans. Yes, I know some people can spoof their IP, but doing it to a HWID is a bit harder and usually involves voiding any warranty your system has.

Also, why don't people queued with a cheater get punished. A couple wins removed from their total isn't much of a punishment. People playing with a cheater should be punished as equally to the cheater, regardless of whether they knew or not. This way, not only does it prevent players from getting boosted by cheaters, it also makes them consider the types of players they queue together with.

IP ban - does not work. you would only have the entire internet banned in a few months. remember, IP's are not static, they are dynamic and take seconds to change.

Hardware ban - again not that great of an idea. not everyone has a personal computer, some places people have to use publicly available computers that you find in Cybercafes.

if you want to inquire about how those that queue with a cheater are treated, try asking in that games forum. by your logic, you join a game with your friend, they are using a skin changer, you get vac banned with them. does that really sound fair to you? if you have feedback on how cheaters are handled, post in that games forum where that games developers are more likely to see your idea. they are the one that makes the decision on what the game rules are, and what the punishments are for breaking the rules.

[Brian9824]

Games have tried doing hardware bans, they fail horribly at actually doing anything and end up hurting more then they help.

IP bans are useless, unplug your router and you get a new IP address, and someone else will get your old banned IP.

Also punishing people because a cheater joined their team is a horrible idea, thats like saying punish everyone who was in the bank when it was robbed because they were present when a robber was there....

[Cathulhu]

Ah, yes. This argument again.
I can have a new IP in less than 30 seconds. No strange stuff necessary.
Just opening a browser, visiting the web interface of my router and hit the reconnect button.

Hardware IDs are equally useless, although it requires a tad more action on the blocked end, but not that much.

Additionally, you wouldn't want to get your account banned because you bought that used hardware from the internet, right?

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

Also, just bring phone number authentication for ranked gamemodes. A player is less likely to cheat if they're forced to verify a phone number to play ranked.

Isn't this what Dota 2 is already doing?
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4B1F-9E44-5AF4-7E1B

[nullable]

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

There's a really simple solution to stopping cheaters, that companies just don't seem to use. that's HWID/IP bans. Yes, I know some people can spoof their IP, but doing it to a HWID is a bit harder and usually involves voiding any warranty your system has. It's also really hard to do for modern cheaters, since they're breastfed on a touch screen device.

The real way to ban cheaters is to rehash an idea that won't work, and tell yourself a list of hare-brained reasons why it'll work now? Yeah, maybe some of your assumptions aren't very good m8.

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

Also, why don't people queued with a cheater get punished. A couple wins removed from their total isn't much of a punishment. People playing with a cheater should be punished as equally to the cheater, regardless of whether they knew or not. This way, not only does it prevent players from getting boosted by cheaters, it also makes them consider the types of players they queue together with.

Sounds like obvious trolling to me. You can't be serious, and if you are, well this isn't why you're not managing multiplayer for any gaming companies.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

There's a really simple solution to stopping cheaters, that companies just don't seem to use. that's HWID/IP bans. Yes, I know some people can spoof their IP, but doing it to a HWID is a bit harder and usually involves voiding any warranty your system has. It's also really hard to do for modern cheaters, since they're breastfed on a touch screen device.

Yeah and you think the people making the cheats wiouldn't be able to make the tools to alter HWID, or make it part of the cheat itself? And as for IP Spoofing that isn't even the biggest concern...you do realize not every ISP gives users fixed IP addresses right, that in many parts of the world the norm is that ISP preiodically (usually ionce ever 24/48 hours) reassign a user's IP address. So basically on IP addresss based ban could impact multiple independent users.

And the fact that VPNs exist kinda also makes this a moot point.

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

Also, why don't people queued with a cheater get punished.

Because there's no way someone can know if someone in your queue group is running a cheat? I mean you know pubs are a thing right?

[AftermathTheOG]

you do realize, spoofing a HWID is a lot harder than everyone assumes. it's difficult especially for the new age of cheaters, that still get fed like toddlers.

[AftermathTheOG]

Also, it's easy to spot a cheater in CSGO. You just look for obvious signs. poor crosshair placement, impossible movement for a player of that skill level, owning only F2P games, account not set up, level 1 account with low hours of a game. and no links to main account. Cheaters aren't going to link their mains if they claim to be a smurf. A legitimate player will link their mains.

[AftermathTheOG]

the majority of cheaters these days, only have free games in their library. Why is this you wonder, why because the cheaters of today, are comprised of children who google cheats and just download the first virus they come across.

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by nullable:

The real way to ban cheaters is

To remove multiplayer completely.

It's the only way to be sure.

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

you do realize, spoofing a HWID is a lot harder than everyone assumes. it's difficult especially for the new age of cheaters, that still get fed like toddlers.

If they can play, they can run a spoofing program.

[AftermathTheOG]

Originally posted by Cathulhu:

Ah, yes. This argument again.
I can have a new IP in less than 30 seconds. No strange stuff necessary.
Just opening a browser, visiting the web interface of my router and hit the reconnect button.

Hardware IDs are equally useless, although it requires a tad more action on the blocked end, but not that much.

Additionally, you wouldn't want to get your account banned because you bought that used hardware from the internet, right?

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

Also, just bring phone number authentication for ranked gamemodes. A player is less likely to cheat if they're forced to verify a phone number to play ranked.

Isn't this what Dota 2 is already doing?
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4B1F-9E44-5AF4-7E1B

yes, but I mean, implement this for every single game that contains a ranked mode.

[AftermathTheOG]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by nullable:

The real way to ban cheaters is

To remove multiplayer completely.

It's the only way to be sure.

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

you do realize, spoofing a HWID is a lot harder than everyone assumes. it's difficult especially for the new age of cheaters, that still get fed like toddlers.

If they can play, they can run a spoofing program.

it's not just some program you can install to spoof your HWID, it's more to it than that. the chances a spoofing application you found is legit is really low. More than likely, it's a RAT that you've just infected your device with.

[Mad Scientist]

The only actual way to massively prevent cheating or to do ban on detection is to have overly intrusive anti-cheat software, and users generally only accept up to a certain point of how much access an anti-cheat has, being intrusive would likely result in people refusing to play due to that.

It's basically "how much are you willing to give up to have a cheater-free game?"

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

yes, but I mean, implement this for every single game that contains a ranked mode.

Again, it was tried in multiple games, it wasn't effective at all. Just like IP bans aren't effective.

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

it's not just some program you can install to spoof your HWID, it's more to it than that. the chances a spoofing application you found is legit is really low. More than likely, it's a RAT that you've just infected your device with.

Again was tried, and it didn't work, most of the major cheats are paid cheats that regularly provide updates and support. Its a big market, and they build the spoofer into the cheat.

There isn't a magic bullet to solve cheating, if there was someone would be doing it. Cheats are highly sophisticated and its a constant game of cat and mouse.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

you do realize, spoofing a HWID is a lot harder than everyone assumes. it's difficult especially for the new age of cheaters, that still get fed like toddlers.

And as said. You think the people making the cheat programs wouldn't be able to basgh together a script to make it easy. I mean Modding was a lot harder in the okld days. then modders started making tools that made the creation and installation of mods easier...

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

Also, it's easy to spot a cheater in CSGO. You just look for obvious signs. poor crosshair placement, impossible movement for a player of that skill level, owning only F2P games, account not set up, level 1 account with low hours of a game. and no links to main account. Cheaters aren't going to link their mains if they claim to be a smurf. A legitimate player will link their mains.

What's an Impossible movement? And how do you even know what the crosshair placement on another player's screen looks like? They may not even be playing with crosshairs. And you might be surprised. I mean many streamers or youtube gaming personalities don't always use their main accounts when playing, especially when they're just trying to get some B-Roll.,Or are practicing for their upcoming livestream.

Originally posted by AftermathTheOG:

the majority of cheaters these days, only have free games in their library. Why is this you wonder, why because the cheaters of today, are comprised of children who google cheats and just download the first virus they come across.

M'dude, I really wouldn't go making assumptions and declarations about other people's age and maturity. Glass Houses, stones etc.

As said. HDWID can be spoofed fairly easily. I mean if they can download the cheat, they can download the HWID changer script just as easily.