ID verification for countries that cannot open game containers due to the gambling laws

[rainbow man]

Title speaks for itself really, add an ID verification system. The Netherlands has something called DigiD which is our virtual ID. I don't know if they would be willing to integrate into Steam but I can't see why not.

Verifying ID shouldn't be mandatory but not verifying should also not limit your account. I just wan't to open my souvenir packages man

[KalGimpa]

Originally posted by Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

Originally posted by RiO:

Sure; you do you and keep holding on to that gross oversimplification if you want.

I mean... it's apparently not true. What you said was pretty clear :

In the Netherlands, regulations dictate that the funding for gambling-addiction therapy must come from taxing gambling businesses.
The special tax is applied to registered products under properly licensed businesses.

...do I have that right?

By the looks of it, they're not even assuming that gambling always leads to addiction, they just want the thing which is a health issue for some people to be funded by the businesses that are profiting off of the health-risk. Frankly, there are similar regulations for alcohol-sales and sobriety programs in America, just no one really bothers to educate themselves on these matters.

If government wants something cut then they'll just ban it outright, like how most controlled substances are illegal in America, but yet alcohol is still permitted to be sold, often just requiring special licenses & the businesses which provide it to customers pay a special tax on alcohol sales. ...so clearly they don't just "want it cut". :seewhatyoudid:

cigs, as well

they are up to almost 10 bucks a pack now.

the huge tax they put on it is supposed to be funding anti-smoking ads and all that, but during an "emergency" (something that seems to be being declared constantly) the gov't is allowed to take from it to use how they need

[isomorphic_projection]

Originally posted by Mxdium:

Title speaks for itself really, add an ID verification system. The Netherlands has something called DigiD which is our virtual ID. I don't know if they would be willing to integrate into Steam but I can't see why not.

Verifying ID shouldn't be mandatory but not verifying should also not limit your account. I just wan't to open my souvenir packages man

We do, but we are not allowed to hand it over. It's personal, and this country only. And it's not a legit ID, like a passport, or ID card or drivers license.

[isomorphic_projection]

English page. https://kansspelautoriteit.nl/english/

And the market is small. Cause most Dutch are sober, and don't boost. A skin does not increase the skills, just the gaming experience.

[RiO]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

SO basically it's about taxation of value transactions and not protecting vulnerable people from harmful addictive stimuli. Again, thank you for proving my point.. IT's all about the money.

No. You are not reading what I wrote.

The current legislation is based on the notion that people would only bother to gamble to the point of addiction where real world winnings of tangible value were involved; the notion that you require the possibility of winning something of real value, to continue betting.
Hence only those games where money could be earned, were deemed necessary to be regulated.

Tito mentioned this as well:
be careful what you wish for; because you just might get it.

In this particular case, legislators were mindful of that tenet and thought it prudent to make the gambling legislation purposely narrow-scope and limited, so as to ensure that e.g. friendly games among friends would not end up under its purview. It was an effort to prevent collateral damage. (You want to know why legislative measures move slowly? Because, among others, it takes a lot of time to evaluate the knock-on effects and find a good balance.)


You're still trying to make this about sneaky, sneaky government looking for only the cases where they can make a quick buck. And that's not the case.
If that actually were the case, they would've just taxed all of it, whether there were actual earnings involved or not - simply by incurring a flat starting fee on top of a percentage fee. Or they would've purposely regulated all of it, to stamp out friendly games of chance such as poker over chips among friends to drive players into commercial gambling over money to get their fix (and be taxed).
And neither of those situations actually happened.

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

Originally posted by KalCuey:

Originally posted by Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

...

cigs, as well

they are up to almost 10 bucks a pack now.

the huge tax they put on it is supposed to be funding anti-smoking ads and all that, but during an "emergency" (something that seems to be being declared constantly) the gov't is allowed to take from it to use how they need

That's bad.

As far as informing the public goes funds should be going to make the information available at every health office in pamphlets & stuff
BUT, more importantly it should be going to actually helping people who get illnesses that are deemed likely to be related to cigarettes - first and foremost, programs for overcoming addiction.

...it shouldn't just be going to generic advertisements that are going to cost a lot and just annoy people with hyperbolic billboards & TV ads.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by RiO:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

SO basically it's about taxation of value transactions and not protecting vulnerable people from harmful addictive stimuli. Again, thank you for proving my point.. IT's all about the money.

No. You are not reading what I wrote.

The current legislation is based on the notion that people would only bother to gamble to the point of addiction where real world winnings of tangible value were involved; the notion that you require the possibility of winning something of real value, to continue betting.
Hence only those games where money could be earned, were deemed necessary to be regulated.

Except that's not how gambling addiction works. So basically they ignore the actual early stages and only pay attention to the later stages....or the stages where there's something that can be taxed.

POint is though this of course has nothing to do with ID. Just governments being goverments .

[RiO]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Except that's not how gambling addiction works. So basically they ignore the actual early stages and only pay attention to the later stages....or the stages where there's something that can be taxed.

Yes. That part is absolutely true. All of it is based on a gross misunderstanding of how gambling addiction actually works; and the fact that you do have to intervene at an early level before the problem runs out of hand in an individual.