ID verification for countries that cannot open game containers due to the gambling laws

[rainbow man]

Title speaks for itself really, add an ID verification system. The Netherlands has something called DigiD which is our virtual ID. I don't know if they would be willing to integrate into Steam but I can't see why not.

Verifying ID shouldn't be mandatory but not verifying should also not limit your account. I just wan't to open my souvenir packages man

[Supafly]

I doubt any form of ID can circumvent a countries laws.

[Mad Scientist]

If something is banned due to a countries laws, I doubt providing ID will magically lift the ban on that thing. It means that thing cannot be done there, at all. If you want it changed, contact your politicians/lawmakers.

[rainbow man]

It's because they can't verify the users are 18 years or older. That's why they banned it.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Mxdium님이 먼저 게시:

It's because they can't verify the users are 18 years or older. That's why they banned it.

Nope, they banned it because Steam's current verification wasn't good enough.

[Mad Scientist]

Mxdium님이 먼저 게시:

It's because they can't verify the users are 18 years or older. That's why they banned it.

Fairly certain these companies don't want to apply for gambling licenses. Also appears the area is largely against loot boxes and things of the nature.

[Nx Machina]

So the premise is: You want Valve to circumvent your countries laws regarding gambling.

The solution: Contact your government who introduced the law to repeal it.

The issue: the potential for gambling addiction is the main factor behind the decision by your government.

[The Commendatore]

DigID is ♥♥♥♥ though.

[Crazy Tiger]

Mxdium님이 먼저 게시:

It's because they can't verify the users are 18 years or older. That's why they banned it.

No, while "think of the children" is an important factor, it's not just that. The addictiveness of the gambling effect in general is also an important factor on why they got banned. And no ID verification can circumvent that.

If you want to be able to open lootboxes again, get the government to remove the ban on lootboxes.

[Start_Running]

Crazy Tiger님이 먼저 게시:

Mxdium님이 먼저 게시:

It's because they can't verify the users are 18 years or older. That's why they banned it.

No, it's more than that. The addictiveness of the gambling effect in general is an important factor on why they got banned. And no ID verification can circumvent that.

If you want to be able to open lootboxes again, get the government to remove the ban on lootboxes.

The fact that said fgovernments require special licensing fees and taxes on gambling might also play a big part. You know governments are loathe to let any exchange of value go untaxed.

[.geeK]

Mxdium님이 먼저 게시:

Title speaks for itself really, add an ID verification system. The Netherlands has something called DigiD which is our virtual ID. I don't know if they would be willing to integrate into Steam but I can't see why not.

Verifying ID shouldn't be mandatory but not verifying should also not limit your account. I just wan't to open my souvenir packages man

Seems like a reasonable request. This is no different than asking for someone to support a currency or language that isn't yet available on a platform (Discord for instance, just added EUR. If they were to just say)


I don't know how big the market is in Netherlands, but I think its completely reasonable to ask them to abide by laws to expand their ability to sell.

Since the ability for Valve to help is indeed to support a law, there's no real argument against your ask outside of "Not a big enough market" or similar, which no end user or non valve employee would know.


I support your ask!

[Start_Running]

.geeK님이 먼저 게시:

Mxdium님이 먼저 게시:

Title speaks for itself really, add an ID verification system. The Netherlands has something called DigiD which is our virtual ID. I don't know if they would be willing to integrate into Steam but I can't see why not.

Verifying ID shouldn't be mandatory but not verifying should also not limit your account. I just wan't to open my souvenir packages man

Seems like a reasonable request. This is no different than asking for someone to support a currency or language that isn't yet available on a platform (Discord for instance, just added EUR. If they were to just say)


I don't know how big the market is in Netherlands, but I think its completely reasonable to ask them to abide by laws to expand their ability to sell.

Since the ability for Valve to help is indeed to support a law, there's no real argument against your ask outside of "Not a big enough market" or similar, which no end user or non valve employee would know.


I support your ask!

As I recall the netherlands was one of those who were more about the whole 'Pay fore the gambling license and pay us the gambling taxes'
AT least i think. In which case the market is basically whether or not dev/pubs see it as worth the extra hassle of all that.

[Brian9824]

.geeK님이 먼저 게시:

Mxdium님이 먼저 게시:

Title speaks for itself really, add an ID verification system. The Netherlands has something called DigiD which is our virtual ID. I don't know if they would be willing to integrate into Steam but I can't see why not.

Verifying ID shouldn't be mandatory but not verifying should also not limit your account. I just wan't to open my souvenir packages man

Seems like a reasonable request. This is no different than asking for someone to support a currency or language that isn't yet available on a platform (Discord for instance, just added EUR. If they were to just say)


I don't know how big the market is in Netherlands, but I think its completely reasonable to ask them to abide by laws to expand their ability to sell.

Since the ability for Valve to help is indeed to support a law, there's no real argument against your ask outside of "Not a big enough market" or similar, which no end user or non valve employee would know.


I support your ask!

The problem is its based on flawed logic. For instance in the Netherlands the ban has nothing to do with your age. They want ALL lootboxes banned from games. Having a way to validate your age would be pointless as you STILL couldn't buy a lootbox in a game if they get their way.

France has a similar flawed argument, but Valve did a workaround you can google involving an x-ray scanner.

[.geeK]

Compliance with local laws is a business decision which is weighed on based on regional revenue and a variety of other factors.

Unless you know the total net positive or net negative cost or what valves strategy for revenue increases are, then showing support and asking to support a law which affects a userbase is sound.


It's not logic, its business strategy 101, and unfortunately, no end user or Valve Business analyst will be able to answer authoritatively.


Asking a company to do more reasonable things should be encouraged, even if it doesn't directly affect you.

[Brian9824]

.geeK님이 먼저 게시:

Compliance with local laws is a business decision which is weighed on based on regional revenue and a variety of other factors.

Unless you know the total net positive or net negative cost or what valves strategy for revenue increases are, then showing support and asking to support a law which affects a userbase is sound.


It's not logic, its business strategy 101, and unfortunately, no end user or Valve Business analyst will be able to answer authoritatively.


Asking a company to do more reasonable things should be encouraged, even if it doesn't directly affect you.

Yes, hence why what the OP suggested wouldn't work, as to comply with the local laws you can't have a lootbox in the game at all. Netherlands laws for instance had nothing to do with the AGE of the user in the game, it was designed to remove ALL lootboxes from games.

Hence why the OP's "solution" wouldn't accomplish what he thinks it will.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

.geeK님이 먼저 게시:

Compliance with local laws is a business decision which is weighed on based on regional revenue and a variety of other factors.

Unless you know the total net positive or net negative cost or what valves strategy for revenue increases are, then showing support and asking to support a law which affects a userbase is sound.


It's not logic, its business strategy 101, and unfortunately, no end user or Valve Business analyst will be able to answer authoritatively.


Asking a company to do more reasonable things should be encouraged, even if it doesn't directly affect you.

Lootboxes. are. outlawed. in. the. Netherlands. Period.

There is no age requirement. They are banned. For everyone.