You gotta do something about these download speeds

[r0llinlacs]

What's the point of having gigabit internet when Steam downloads at a max of 30MB/s?

Oh, and want to install a game onto an HDD? Well they're capable of completely saturating a gigabit internet connection, yet Steam will download EVEN SLOWER on an HDD because it's decompressing at the same time it's downloading, completely bottlenecking the HDD. Halving the speed of decompression AND halving the speed of the download.

The ONLY time Steam ever hits over 30MB/s is when installing to an NVME SSD. That's it. 30MB/s tops on a SATA SSD. Even slower on an HDD.

Ridiculous. Steam, Gabe, I know you know what makes piracy so attractive, it's the service. When I can go and download 100gb game from RapidGator in less than 20 minutes, then install it in 10-15 more minutes on the same slow HDD, but the same game will take an hour and most likely even longer on Steam, with gigabit internet and 24 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CPU cores, THAT'S A SERVICE PROBLEM.

STEAM, YOUR DOWNLOAD SERVICE SUCKS. And I know it's so you can save bandwidth, limiting download speeds to the capabilities of the user's storage drives. Quit being cheap asses. DOWNLOAD, THEN, INSTALL. Stop crippling HDDs with your install method!

[Sasori Kigaru]

Steam doesn't restrict your download speed unless you specifically make it do so within the options.

Just now I downloaded a game at 111MB/s

You can try seeing if its your ISP, or maybe try changing download regions but whatever it is, its definitely not steam's fault otherwise we'd all be suffering.

[Qbert ⭐]

https://imgur.com/a/14gBshj

Clearly your ISP

Im getting the speed im paying for in a third world connection.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису Sasori Kigaru:

Steam doesn't restrict your download speed unless you specifically make it do so within the options.

Just now I downloaded a game at 111Mb/s

You can try seeing if its your ISP, or maybe try changing download regions but whatever it is, its definitely not steam's fault otherwise we'd all be suffering.

Mb/s isn't the same as MB/s.

[Qbert ⭐]

Цитата допису KittenGrindr:

Цитата допису Sasori Kigaru:

Steam doesn't restrict your download speed unless you specifically make it do so within the options.

Just now I downloaded a game at 111Mb/s

You can try seeing if its your ISP, or maybe try changing download regions but whatever it is, its definitely not steam's fault otherwise we'd all be suffering.

Mb/s isn't the same as MB/s.

1Mbit/s = 0.125MB/s

So in my case im almost at 500 mb/s which is what I pay to my ISP

OP has some serious traffic shapping happening

[r0llinlacs]

Цитата допису Qbert ⭐:

Цитата допису KittenGrindr:

Mb/s isn't the same as MB/s.

1Mbit/s = 0.125MB/s

So in my case im almost at 500 mb/s which is what I pay to my ISP

OP has some serious traffic shapping happening

Nope. My speed tests are always over 900mbps. My connection never slows down, and I'm on a wired connection. The only time I hit over 30MB/s is when I install to an NVME SSD. Then it hits 100+MB/s. But only sometimes.

Literally never, not even once, seen it go over 30MB/s installing to an HDD. Not once. Absolute best case scenario installing to a SATA SSD is 50MB/s. Only when I install to an NVME SSD does the speed ever come close to reaching 100MB/s.

Цитата допису Sasori Kigaru:

Steam doesn't restrict your download speed unless you specifically make it do so within the options.

Just now I downloaded a game at 111Mb/s

You can try seeing if its your ISP, or maybe try changing download regions but whatever it is, its definitely not steam's fault otherwise we'd all be suffering.

This has been a problem as long as I can remember. Steam has almost never downloaded at full bandwidth for me. Changing regions is a pain in the ass because yes, sometimes it works, but most the time you just end up rebooting steam 20 times just for the speed to stay the same or get worse.

It's not my ISP. I'm on a wired gigabit connection. I just downloaded a 60gb game to a SATA SSD, the highest it reached was 31MB/s. I just did a speed test after it finished and got 871mbps (108MB/s). It's definitely not my connection. And my download settings don't limit the bandwidth. And it's definitely not my SSD. Or my 24 core CPU. It's 100% Steam.

[Cathulhu]

So, it's not a download speed problem, but a writing speed problem.
So, a YOU problem, not a Valve problem.

[Sasori Kigaru]

Цитата допису KittenGrindr:

Цитата допису Sasori Kigaru:

Steam doesn't restrict your download speed unless you specifically make it do so within the options.

Just now I downloaded a game at 111Mb/s

You can try seeing if its your ISP, or maybe try changing download regions but whatever it is, its definitely not steam's fault otherwise we'd all be suffering.

Mb/s isn't the same as MB/s.

Edited my reply so its using MB/s instead, forgot there was a difference.

[r0llinlacs]

Цитата допису Cathulhu:

So, it's not a download speed problem, but a writing speed problem.
So, a YOU problem, not a Valve problem.

No, it's a Valve problem. An HDD can write data faster than my 100MB/s internet can provide. The problem is it's doing two, actually three things at once. Downloading, decompressing, and writing at the same time. There is no reason I can't download over 30MB/s to an HDD. I can do it with many other services, but not Steam. Steam will not download faster than the HDD can physically accommodate for, it can't, and they're crippling the HDD with other operations so the HDD physically CAN'T download any faster because it's so busy with operations. It's not Steam limiting download speeds per-say, as much as it is a problem with their install method that causes downloads to slow to a crawl on an HDD.

I see why they do it this way, because the other method requires more free disk space, since the game would have to download fully, then decompress and install fully, it would need enough free space for two copies of the game until the installation is completed. And the slow download speeds, hell, that's a plus for them. Your HDD is so crippled with other operations that it can only download 2MB/s?? GREAT$$$$$

And then there's periods where it just stops downloading completely. It's still decompressing and writing, but just stops downloading. This doesn't happen on SSDs.

My computer is not the problem. My internet is not the problem. I don't have this problem with other services. Only Steam. They need to create an HDD optimized download mode or something because their download method is absolutely absurdly slow on HDDs.

And for god sake it's not my HDDs. They aren't crappy 5200rpm laptop drives that cap out at 100MB/s with pitiful random speeds. They are 7200rpm gaming drives with lots of cache and capable of 160+MB/s. It's not me and Steam behaves exactly the same way on every computer I've ever used Steam on.

[Cathulhu]

And HDDs are known for pitiful IO.
And if some software is interfering, the IO drops even lower.

[Draeka3]

I'm at 1Go/s limited by HDD.

[Qbert ⭐]

There are tons of potential issues affecting your writing speed, one of them is a Windows with poor maintenance.

If you see my previous reply, im actually writing on the Sata SSD way faster than my download speed.

You can have a thousand cores but a bad OS could easily beign the problem.

Again, it's that, or your ISP is not allowing full speed for bigger downloads.

[Mad Scientist]

So you believe Valve is the problem yet twice note that you get full speed when utilizing an NVME which is known for the ability to sustain speeds and have a higher overall capability.

Seems like the HDD cannot handle what you think it can.

Цитата допису r0llinlacs:

And then there's periods where it just stops downloading completely. It's still decompressing and writing, but just stops downloading. This doesn't happen on SSDs.

Normal behavior when a part cannot keep up with the task it is currently being tasked with.

You're likely not noticing something obvious, and as Qbert noted poor maintenance can also be a big issue when DLing to HDDs.

[Washell]

From 9m17s it covers steam, bandwidth, and cpu limitations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk1eKPRLaJA&t=557s

[AROCK!!!]

I've got a gigabit connection and I always max it out during downloads

[aiusepsi]

Цитата допису r0llinlacs:

The problem is it's doing two, actually three things at once. Downloading, decompressing, and writing at the same time.

There's no problem with doing those three things at the same time.

Steam will not download faster than the HDD can physically accommodate for, it can't, and they're crippling the HDD with other operations so the HDD physically CAN'T download any faster because it's so busy with operations.

What other operations?

If you're talking about downloading and decompressing, those don't touch the HDD at all, they're done entirely in memory.

It's not Steam limiting download speeds per-say, as much as it is a problem with their install method that causes downloads to slow to a crawl on an HDD.

It's actually "per se"; it's Latin, "se" means "itself, "per" means "by" or "through".

And then there's periods where it just stops downloading completely. It's still decompressing and writing, but just stops downloading. This doesn't happen on SSDs.

You would expect that to happen if stuff can't be written out to disk fast enough; if there's already a large backlog in earlier steps in the process, there's no need to funnel more stuff into the input.

It is theoretically possible that Steam's write pattern is too random and efficiency is being eaten by disk seeks in a way which wouldn't affect SSDs, yeah. For a lot of workloads, poor random-access performance can be hidden by the OS or the HDD's own firmware by using a cache to batch up writes into longer contiguous chunks, or scheduling writes into a more linear order, but it is possible that Steam's workloads are too large or sustained for that sort of transparent caching to work effectively. In which case, it would have to be fixed on Valve's end by deliberately trying to bundle up writes into larger contiguous blocks.