Steam client HWID BANS

[Francis • LUL]

and so, when the steam user violates multiple times and banned. later when the user logged in this device (where the violation took) cannot use anymore.

example message when login:
Steam - error

You cannot use this client on device for violation of TOS agreement in recent weeks.
as a result, you might not able to use steam client anymore
if this is a mistake. please visit https://help.steampowered.com/ for more info
[ok to uninstall steam]


this is my idea for violation to cheaters, hackers, toxicity and whatever

[Brian9824]

rawWwRrr eredeti hozzászólása:

Seems like a recent urgency over HWID bans, presumably because of the pending release of the Steam Deck. Perhaps people should be more focused on avoiding those things that might warrant a HWID ban. If you're not hacking or griefing, why would a punitive action be lodged against you?

I think the problem is people think they are geniuses and have some magic solution that would be so incredibly easy to solve cheating/hacking and think they are the only one who ever thought of it.

Then they don't think about how it might sound great in their head, but how it doesn't actually hold up very well in practice. It's why most games ban via your in game account, linked platform ID, etc. It's far more accurate and less dangerouns, and requires a brand new account, rebuying the game, etc. Not just swapping an ID on your device or using a different device.

[m4dEngi]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

m4dEngi eredeti hozzászólása:

Again, how does IP Bans for web calls apply to the OP's question?

It's not rocket science. If it doesn't apply then its off topic, especially as we were already discussing IP bans for games, so its not only off topic but highly confusing when you don't elaborate that your referring to a totally different IP ban that has nothing at all to do with this thread or what has been discussed

Since you can't, i'll just ignore you as your dragging this thread so far off topic.

The CORRECT answer is no, IP ban's are NOT done by steam in the context of this thread, anyone claiming otherwise is wrong unless they can actually show where steam uses IP bans to combat cheaters and trolls.

So now you're discussing IP bans for games even tho OP didn't say it's about games specifically, but about TOS violation.

Also i'm not the one who started it...

[Brian9824]

m4dEngi eredeti hozzászólása:

So now you're discussing IP bans for games even tho OP didn't say it's about games specifically, but about TOS violation.

FAND eredeti hozzászólása:

this is my idea for violation to cheaters, hackers, toxicity and whatever

Didn't know its possible to cheat and hack without playing a game....

I mean do you want to show us where the OP mentioned anything about issuing bans for mass registrations or API abuse since your trying and failing to go that route.....

[m4dEngi]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

m4dEngi eredeti hozzászólása:

So now you're discussing IP bans for games even tho OP didn't say it's about games specifically, but about TOS violation.

FAND eredeti hozzászólása:

this is my idea for violation to cheaters, hackers, toxicity and whatever

Didn't know its possible to cheat and hack without playing a game....

I mean do you want to show us where the OP mentioned anything about issuing bans for mass registrations or API abuse since your trying and failing to go that route.....

Well, OP didn't mention it specifically, but right now we're being "toxic" and "whatever" on steam forums :P
And you're completely ignoring HWID ban part.

[Brian9824]

Anyways AGAIN, since people keep derailing the thread and aren't capable of reading past responses.

Both hardware and IP bans for cheaters/hackers/etc have been tried before and don't work. They are very easy to bypass and its far more effective to block the account.

Also to the OP Steam would never block access to your steam account for cheating in a game, the most you would lose is the ability to play on MP servers for VAC connected games with a VAC ban.

Valve can't issue game bans for other developers games if your caught cheating, and they certainly won't remove your access to your steam account

[[N]ebsun]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

m4dEngi eredeti hozzászólása:

Also, despite the fact that "IP can be changed", it is possible to get IP ban on steam.

No it is not as steam doesn't ban by IP. Individual games might do so, but that doesn't mean its done on Steam, and i'd stay far away from any games that use an IP ban as they have no clue what they are doing....

You can get IP banned from steam by sending bad packets to their web servers, it is unlikely to be permanent, and is not related to a game - but it is still done.

[Satoru]

m4dEngi eredeti hozzászólása:

This can be implemented for SteamDeck tho...

The steamdeck is fundamentally linux. Which means, surprise, you can basically do anything you want to it, including obfuscating whatever HWID you think the steamdeck is going to send out, with anything else to bypass a blacklist

Also, despite the fact that "IP can be changed", it is possible to get IP ban on steam.

Steam doesn't do this. Steam does not ban via IP. The only thing it will do is use your IP as a METRIC to upgrade you VAC scan to "rubber gloves with a baseball bat full of rusty nails on a power drill" level.

Steam doesn't ban accounts ONLY via IP address metric.

1) it is utterly trivial to change your IP address
2) the trivial act of changing the IP by the cheater, means now the blacklisted IP is now used by someone else, because DHCP scopes are quickly renewed, who has no clue why they're being banned
3) apartment complexes, universities, or any other mass housing may use a single NAT address to supply the entire complex. Meaning one kid can effectively ban an entire building. Which is of course why this isn't actually a thing
4) ISPs also do this because they may not have enough ipv4 addresses

[Satoru]

Nebsun eredeti hozzászólása:

You can get IP banned from steam by sending bad packets to their web servers, it is unlikely to be permanent, and is not related to a game - but it is still done.

This is entirely a different thing and should not be construed with what we are talking about here

[Francis • LUL]

Nebsun eredeti hozzászólása:

People can already spoof HWID - even worse, if someone was able to get a hold of your HWID, they could potentially spoof yours and get you banned.

what if Windows 11 has Anti-spoofing ban

[Francis • LUL]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

m4dEngi eredeti hozzászólása:

I just gave you the link to official documentation with the same thing.

Also suggest you read the wording of that error. The IP address is not banned

The IP address has been banned from taking this action.

So that would be from actions such as making too many calls to steam's API in a period of time, , not being on the whitelist, not being registered to connect to steam services, etc.

The IP address is not banned, its banned from taking a specific action. Very VERY different then an IP address being banned.

no. we don't need ip bans i guess.

[Francis • LUL]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

m4dEngi eredeti hozzászólása:

EResult is universal for Web/Game API and it's meant for steam related services not your game, just predefined SteamAPI request success statuses.

No its a game API and its not even mandatory to be used. They have a seperate API for the web which is here which is there web API - https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/webapi_overview

So again, as its been stated its up to the game developers to use the API if they wish to do so and ban via IP.

If you want to claim otherwise, name 1 example where STEAM bans you based on IP.

btw, if windows 11 has anti-spoofing ban for cheaters, toxic or whatever. it's the most very very toughest ban ever created

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

FAND eredeti hozzászólása:

Nebsun eredeti hozzászólása:

People can already spoof HWID - even worse, if someone was able to get a hold of your HWID, they could potentially spoof yours and get you banned.

what if Windows 11 has Anti-spoofing ban

I love to see them try, since this isn't something Microsoft will make effort on, nor can stop since most games are not purely tied to Windows only, also if one can mod Windows, then one can disable anti spoofing the idea you're thinking of, even can fool it thinking it wasn't temper with.

If you heard of how bold Riot games was with valorant, it anti cheat flop within same day despite being a kernel level anti cheat.

[Francis • LUL]

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:

FAND eredeti hozzászólása:

what if Windows 11 has Anti-spoofing ban

I love to see them try, since this isn't something Microsoft will make effort on, nor can stop since most games are not purely tied to Windows only.

yeah, we need an anti-spoofing system on win 11 so that cheaters/hackers cannot play on win 11 anymore XD HAHAHAHAHA

[Francis • LUL]

FAND eredeti hozzászólása:

and so, when the steam user violates multiple times and banned. later when the user logged in this device (where the violation took) cannot use anymore.

example message when login:
Steam - error

You cannot use this client on device for violation of TOS agreement in recent weeks.
as a result, you might not able to use steam client anymore
if this is a mistake. please visit https://help.steampowered.com/ for more info
[ok to uninstall steam]


this is my idea for violation to cheaters, hackers, toxicity and whatever

for those i know about WINDOWS 11 Anti-spoofing ban for hackers or whatever
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/5086242673972968121/?tscn=163218315

[Brian9824]

FAND eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

No its a game API and its not even mandatory to be used. They have a seperate API for the web which is here which is there web API - https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/webapi_overview

So again, as its been stated its up to the game developers to use the API if they wish to do so and ban via IP.

If you want to claim otherwise, name 1 example where STEAM bans you based on IP.

btw, if windows 11 has anti-spoofing ban for cheaters, toxic or whatever. it's the most very very toughest ban ever created

That's not a real thing. The entire point of spoofing is you circumvent protections in place. Nothing is unhackable or uneditable without locking it down to the point of it not being usable. It's why cheating and hacking will always be a thing. Even the strongest protection will be overcome, nothing is fool proof otherwise they would have stopped cheaters years ago.

You might as well say what if they pass an anti crime law that stops all crime.....