If Denuvo warning is a thing, then EOS/EAC warning should be too.

[Flame-kun]

We really need that information.

[Crystal Sharrd]

I don't know what EOS stands for but EasyAnticheat isn't DRM.

[JD777]

Originally posted by Flame-kun:

We really need that information.

100%

[blunus]

Should be added as a category like VAC.

Originally posted by Crystal Sharrd:

I don't know what EOS stands for but EasyAnticheat isn't DRM.

Epic Online Services. There are some versions of EAC that uses EOS.

[Mantha]

I agree with adding a warning for EOS.

[Flame-kun]

Originally posted by Crystal Sharrd:

I don't know what EOS stands for but EasyAnticheat isn't DRM.

EOS = Epic Online Services. Any game that uses EAC is bound to have EOS since they're linked. And those are counted as 3rd party programs.

IF EA games having "Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: EA on-line activation and Origin client software installation and background use required." and Ubisoft having "Requires 3rd-Party Account: Uplay (Supports Linking to Steam Account)", then why not any single game that uses EOS/EAC?

It just don't make any sense, wtf steam

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Flame-kun:

then why not any single game that uses EOS/EAC?

It just don't make any sense, wtf steam

Lost Ark lists EAC.

Secondly all information on a store page is put there by the developer, publisher not Valve.

[RiO]

Originally posted by Crystal Sharrd:

I don't know what EOS stands for but EasyAnticheat isn't DRM.

The DRM notices that Steam already shows, flow from EU regulations.
The EU consumer rights directive (2011/83/EU[eur-lex.europa.eu]) places a requirement on the trader to inform a consumer of certain product characteristics. Among these is the requirement that for digital content the trader must supply notice of any present 'technical protection measures.'

Nowhere does the EU directive in question limit the scope of this term to DRM. It should cover DRM; anti-tamperware; anti-cheat; ties to accounts. I.e. any technical measure to protect the digital content or use thereof.

Also; ancillary texts and official guidance documents on how the framework of EU consumer rights legislation is meant to be interpreted, clarify that notice of these characteristics can't be buried in general terms and conditions: the trader must actively supply them to the consumer in a clear manner -- which those guidance documents explain; is a stronger term than passively 'making them available.'

This is why they have to be listed explicitly on storefront pages.



Also, on a slight tangent: the recent fad where developers/publishers have started to push Epic Online Services into existing products where consumers already own licenses, is technically skirting the border of breach of contract in the EU.

EOS requires a third-party account. Even if one is created automatically and automatically linked to the active Steam account; it's still an additional protection based on remote authentication using a set of account credentials.

Therefore it's classified a technical protection measure and part of the above informational requirements. What the EU directive also states is, that these requirements cannot be altered unless both parties expressly agree otherwise. Where again - ancillary texts and official guidance clarify that this is not something which can be consented to through stock terms and conditions such as e.g. an end-user license agreement.

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Flame-kun:

then why not any single game that uses EOS/EAC?

It just don't make any sense, wtf steam

Secondly all information on a store page is put there by the developer, publisher not Valve.

True. Valve delegates supplying this data to the publishers/developers who maintain their own storefront page. And many don't do so correctly. That's one of the reasons the storefront pages have a "Report" button, similar to forum posts.

Even though they delegate this job to others; it doesn't dismiss them of their legal responsibility to ensure the provided information is correct and complete. And the reporting feature helps them do that.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by RiO:

True. Valve delegates supplying this data to the publishers/developers who maintain their own storefront page. And many don't do so correctly. That's one of the reasons the storefront pages have a "Report" button, similar to forum posts.

Even though they delegate this job to others; it doesn't dismiss them of their legal responsibility to ensure the provided information is correct and complete.

The rest of the world does not live in the EU despite your insistence of quoting EU directives.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by RiO:

True. Valve delegates supplying this data to the publishers/developers who maintain their own storefront page. And many don't do so correctly. That's one of the reasons the storefront pages have a "Report" button, similar to forum posts.

Even though they delegate this job to others; it doesn't dismiss them of their legal responsibility to ensure the provided information is correct and complete.

The rest of the world does not live in the EU despite your insistence of quoting EU directives.

Note that it's common to just apply EU-required measures to all users, since it's easier on the technical side to just implement them for all users than to pick out only EU customers to apply them to.

[Crashed]

Originally posted by Crystal Sharrd:

I don't know what EOS stands for but EasyAnticheat isn't DRM.

Unlike Denuvo, it does install kernel-mode drivers which in the case of preview versions of Windows, Microsoft warns it can cause system crashes.

[Crashed]

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by Crashed:

Unlike Denuvo, it does install kernel-mode drivers which in the case of preview versions of Windows, Microsoft warns it can cause system crashes.

EOS doesn't install kernel level (ring 0) driver's. Easy Anti Cheat, like any other good anti cheat, will work on ring 0 so it can capture cheats designed to work on ring 0.

EAC doesn't play well with Insider versions of Windows; the following warning has been in every Dev build in the 25xxx series:

Some games that use Easy Anti-Cheat may crash or cause your PC to bugcheck.

However the Ring-0 driver operates, it does appear to be particularly invasive to the kernel itself.

[Crashed]

Out of the three products described, Denuvo (Anti-Tamper, not Anti-Cheat) probably requires the least warning about, except to a fringe minority, since it neither requires linking any third party account nor does it require kernel-level privilege.

[Crashed]

Use the term Denuvo and it's obvious the thread will be bait.

[Flame-kun]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Use the term Denuvo and it's obvious the thread will be bait.

Except I'm legit suggesting this, because I'm getting tired of "get this game into steam first, then we add the epic data harvester later on" trend.

The "data harvester" part is satire but I think you know what's going on.

[Crashed]

Originally posted by Flame-kun:

Originally posted by Crashed:

Use the term Denuvo and it's obvious the thread will be bait.

Except I'm legit suggesting this, because I'm getting tired of "get this game into steam first, then we add the epic data harvester later on" trend.

The "data harvester" part is satire but I think you know what's going on.

It's also bait because people don't believe that is satire.