Moderating the forum

[Hamsterpeek]

It's quite ironic that the counter strike 2 subforum is filled with blantat rage cheater who spam the forum 24/7 with flamebait comments and they never receive any ban. Each time when someone is talking about cheater, anti cheat etc. they claim "there are no cheater" and "the person you showed doesn't cheat" even tho it's blatant.

But if you say once that they cheat (which is easily proveable) and say that they should please stop flamebaiting / trolling then YOU receive the ban for naming and shaming or posting "content which is combatitive".

Seriously. The moderation is so insanely pathetic. I don't even post in the forum anymore because of the incredible bad moderation but when I look into the forum once in a while each and every thread is a trollfest and the only people who receive a ban are those who say "stop trolling you cheat yourself, here are your stats 100% proving it".

So what is my suggestion?

Do the same as Elon Musk did with twitter/x: Throw every single moderator out and hire some efficient and high quality moderator. How about community moderator again? It has shown that they not only do it for free but they are way more invested and skilled for that job.

Moderation needs to change. The current state is crazy and I bet if Gabe Newell would notice that he would change that ASAP.

[rawWwRrr]

Originally posted by Hamsterpeek:

It's quite ironic that the counter strike 2 subforum is filled with blantat rage cheater who spam the forum 24/7 with flamebait comments and they never receive any ban. Each time when someone is talking about cheater, anti cheat etc. they claim "there are no cheater" and "the person you showed doesn't cheat" even tho it's blatant.

But if you say once that they cheat (which is easily proveable) and say that they should please stop flamebaiting / trolling then YOU receive the ban for naming and shaming or posting "content which is combatitive".

In the scenario as you describe it, then moderation is accurately moderating the correct people.

[UNKNOWN]

Moderation is fine, just because you disagree with some people that doesn't make them into trolls/cheaters...

[eram]

Originally posted by 76561198077963029:

Moderation is fine, just because you disagree with some people that doesn't make them into trolls/cheaters...

go check the cs 2 forum at any random time of day..
its a full time job that only gets an hours worth of work a day

[UNKNOWN]

Originally posted by eram:

Originally posted by 76561198077963029:

Moderation is fine, just because you disagree with some people that doesn't make them into trolls/cheaters...

go check the cs 2 forum at any random time of day..
its a full time job that only gets an hours worth of work a day

I don't understand what you mean, which full time job?

[Clark]

Again, The People Who Flame Others, Complain About Getting Reprecussions After Breaking The Rules

[UNKNOWN]

Originally posted by Clark:

Again, The People Who Flame Others, Complain About Getting Reprecussions After Breaking The Rules

Good point, maybe this guy got banned for breaking the rules and that's why he's complaining

[eram]

Originally posted by 76561198077963029:

Originally posted by eram:

go check the cs 2 forum at any random time of day..
its a full time job that only gets an hours worth of work a day

I don't understand what you mean, which full time job?

a full time moderation job

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by eram:

Originally posted by 76561198077963029:

I don't understand what you mean, which full time job?

a full time moderation job

True. That game hub is pretty darned toxic.

[Hamsterpeek]

Quite funny that the only people who disagree with me are people I blocked months/years ago. I basically am never in the suggestion hub and know both from the CS2 hub, one for many years-. And I don't have many people on my blocklist. This adds up to the entire argument I made with this topic.

Of course those use zero-weight-arguments like "just because they disagree with you doesn't make them trolls" because they purposfully ignore facts and stuff used as arguments just to disagree for the sake of disagreement.

So in conclusion an example:
Step 1: Someone posts a video and asks if the person is cheating
Step 2: Everyone knows the person is cheating because it's beyond blatant (and I know the trolls will say "they are just better than you", this is what they always do to argue, flamebait and waste time of others)
Step 3: People who blatantly cheat themself, often have many accounts, many of them even banned for cheating already claim the person does not cheat and people who think he cheats just have no clue
Step 4: People use good arguments and waste time proving that the person cheats
Step 5: The trolls just low-effort-disagree again
Step 6: This goes back and fourth until people check their stats / demos and find out that the trolls who disagrees is cheating themselves
Step 7: The trolls massreport the normal user with dozens of accounts
Step 8: The normal user who is just helpful and a healthy part of the community gets banned

And obviously the moderation doesn't have the ability to notice this very-easy-to-spot scheme because they are not as skilled or even interested in the forum other than the community moderation were.

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Originally posted by eram:

a full time moderation job

True. That game hub is pretty darned toxic.

:nkCool:

True. But it was a great place before paid moderation took over. I know hundreds of forum veterans and at least 95% of these people stopped posting there. The only two reasons is the ridiclious bad moderation and the because of that upcomming trolls. It feels like the same 5-10 people post 90% of the forum posts in this huge hub with multiple accounts. It's obvious based on how they write, you just notice the same typican patterns etc. - and I wonder how they manage to do that. No matter when I look in the forum they spam there in every single thread. It's like an AI.

[UNKNOWN]

Originally posted by Hamsterpeek:

Quite funny that the only people who disagree with me are people I blocked months/years ago. I basically am never in the suggestion hub and know both from the CS2 hub, one for many years-. And I don't have many people on my blocklist. This adds up to the entire argument I made with this topic.

Of course those use zero-weight-arguments like "just because they disagree with you doesn't make them trolls" because they purposfully ignore facts and stuff used as arguments just to disagree for the sake of disagreement.

So in conclusion an example:
Step 1: Someone posts a video and asks if the person is cheating
Step 2: Everyone knows the person is cheating because it's beyond blatant (and I know the trolls will say "they are just better than you", this is what they always do to argue, flamebait and waste time of others)
Step 3: People who blatantly cheat themself, often have many accounts, many of them even banned for cheating already claim the person does not cheat and people who think he cheats just have no clue
Step 4: People use good arguments and waste time proving that the person cheats
Step 5: The trolls just low-effort-disagree again
Step 6: This goes back and fourth until people check their stats / demos and find out that the trolls who disagrees is cheating themselves
Step 7: The trolls massreport the normal user with dozens of accounts
Step 8: The normal user who is just helpful and a healthy part of the community gets banned

And obviously the moderation doesn't have the ability to notice this very-easy-to-spot scheme because they are not as skilled or even interested in the forum other than the community moderation were.

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

True. That game hub is pretty darned toxic.

:nkCool:

True. But it was a great place before paid moderation took over. I know hundreds of forum veterans and at least 95% of these people stopped posting there. The only two reasons is the ridiclious bad moderation and the because of that upcomming trolls. It feels like the same 5-10 people post 90% of the forum posts in this huge hub with multiple accounts. It's obvious based on how they write, you just notice the same typican patterns etc. - and I wonder how they manage to do that. No matter when I look in the forum they spam there in every single thread. It's like an AI.

So you agree that disagreeing with someone doesn't make you into a troll?

[mldb88]

So you're upset you're getting slapped with a ban for calling people cheaters... which is overtly breaking the rules on the forums... Self awareness = 0.

Also the fact that people replying are ones you have blocked doesn't mean you have a valid point, it means you don't like being called out on your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ logic. Report the trolls, don't touch the poop, move on. It's not that hard. If action isn't taken on a post then odds are it's not actually breaking any rules. Remember, just because you don't like or agree with something doesn't mean it's against the forum rules, but actively calling people cheaters to undermine them is.

[Hamsterpeek]

Originally posted by 76561198077963029:

So you agree that disagreeing with someone doesn't make you into a troll?

I will not respond any further to you since it's obvious that you're just here to gaslight and troll. As you always do. And I'm at a point where I really question myself what people do all day that they have so much time, energy and negativity that they spend all their time beeing rude online.

[UNKNOWN]

Originally posted by mldb88:

So you're upset you're getting slapped with a ban for calling people cheaters... which is overtly breaking the rules on the forums... Self awareness = 0.

Also the fact that people replying are ones you have blocked doesn't mean you have a valid point, it means you don't like being called out on your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ logic. Report the trolls, don't touch the poop, move on. It's not that hard. If action isn't taken on a post then odds are it's not actually breaking any rules. Remember, just because you don't like or agree with something doesn't mean it's against the forum rules, but actively calling people cheaters to undermine them is.

Couldn't have said it better well said

[UNKNOWN]

Originally posted by Hamsterpeek:

Originally posted by 76561198077963029:

So you agree that disagreeing with someone doesn't make you into a troll?

I will not respond any further to you since it's obvious that you're just here to gaslight and troll. As you always do. And I'm at a point where I really question myself what people do all day that they have so much time, energy and negativity that they spend all their time beeing rude online.

That has nothing to do with what i asked btw

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by Hamsterpeek:

and "the person you showed doesn't cheat" even tho it's blatant.

so people are naming & shaming, which isn't allowed. Not surprised that gets action taken against.

Originally posted by Hamsterpeek:

Do the same as Elon Musk did with twitter/x: Throw every single moderator out and hire some efficient and high quality moderator.

Ah yes, the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that is going on over there really is good, eh. Are people that blind?

Originally posted by Hamsterpeek:

I bet if Gabe Newell would notice that he would change that ASAP.

You'll lose that bet, that's for sure.

It's funny how people keep thinking that companies and executives look at things the same way as themselves. That's not how the world works, kid.