Achievement

[Volthix]

Hi guys i don't know if someone already talk about this but it would be so cool if we can get an achievement for a 100% like they do on playstation and separate the normal game from the dlc

[Drakeoz]

100% agree.
It would be way easier to hunt succes to make difference between original game and DLC.
The "100% succes" (platinium on PS) would really be enjoyable too !

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Volthix:

Hi guys i don't know if someone already talk about this but it would be so cool if we can get an achievement for a 100% like they do on playstation and separate the normal game from the dlc

Has being suggested numerous times before.

100% showcase is your achievement.

Secondly you can 100% games on PC without needing to complete the game, by using SAM, loading a friend's complete save, Steam console etc because PC is an open platform.

Devs can already separate main game and dlc achievements. Most chose not to.

[BJWyler]

Originally posted by Volthix:

Hi guys i don't know if someone already talk about this but it would be so cool if we can get an achievement for a 100% like they do on playstation and separate the normal game from the dlc

Yes it has - many, many times, which you would have seen had you used the search function.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4845399560308954965/

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/6679490060456635433/

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4845399560307545256/

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4751949102182263699/

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4751948599935384053/

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/search/?gidforum=882959061469928464&include_deleted=1&q=Separate+dlc+achievements+

Developers already have the ability to group and arrange achievements as they desire. There seems to be some question on whether they can separate the DLC from the main game or not (and thusly the related achievements).

Anything dealing with achievements needs to be done through the devs. Valve simply has provided the framework via Steam and takes a hands off approach to anything else, which is the way it should be.

[ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Has being suggested numerous times before.

100% showcase is your achievement.

Secondly you can 100% games on PC without needing to complete the game, by using SAM, loading a friend's complete save, Steam console etc because PC is an open platform.

Devs can already separate main game and dlc achievements. Most chose not to.

Then someone should have thought of something.

Yeah, it is until some DLC comes out and ruins that 100% because now, the extra Achievements the DLC comes with is tied to the base game's Achievements. DLC Achievements should be separated from the main game, like they are on console. If they can do it on console, PC should be able to do it better.

Well, that would be too obvious to some if they see someone with a game at 100% but barely has a lot of game time in said game. I don't count those games being at 100% since the person cheated.

Maybe because they are lazy. If Devs can do it on console, why not on Steam? is it more harder or something? I guess we'll never know. All I know is, I hate DLCs ruining my 100%'d games.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ:

Maybe because they are lazy. If Devs can do it on console, why not on Steam? is it more harder or something? I guess we'll never know. All I know is, I hate DLCs ruining my 100%'d games.

XB and PS are closed environments tightly controlled by Microsoft and Sony. They dictate that how trophies are implemented on their systems

On Steam, Valve only provides the framework and are hands off when it comes to how developers implement achievements in their 3rd party games.

Contact the developers if you want seperation of achievements.

[blunus]

Separate appid for the DLC and then add achievements in it, so they won't ruin 100%. Most devs don't bother implemented that, probably because they want money.

[Volthix]

Sorry if i didnt use well the research im not fluent in english ahah

But yeah a pc should be able to separate the dlc

[ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Contact the developers if you want seperation of achievements.

I shouldn't have to contact anyone. They can see with their own eyes how Achievements are/work on consoles/PC and that people talked about this topic more than once.

They either don't care enough to bother or they find it too hard to figure out.

Edit: Also, we don't know how Base Games and DLCs work on Steam. Because if a game comes out with no DLC and it gets DLC later on, what is the thing gluing the DLC Achievements with the Base Game? why isn't it already a separate thing?

Idk, too many questions without Valve being the one giving out the deets to it all.

[Yasahi]

Originally posted by ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ:

They either don't care enough to bother or they find it too hard to figure out.

They don't care. Achievement hunting is a very small niche thing. Not separating them also drives more sales.

Originally posted by ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ:

Edit: Also, we don't know how Base Games and DLCs work on Steam. Because if a game comes out with no DLC and it gets DLC later on, what is the thing gluing the DLC Achievements with the Base Game? why isn't it already a separate thing?

We do know. Appid. It's the unique identifier for a game. If the DLC has its own Appid, it will appear as a separate entity and not be counted towards the achievement progress of the main game. The vast majority of the devs can't be bothered to do it though.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ:

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Contact the developers if you want seperation of achievements.

I shouldn't have to contact anyone. They can see with their own eyes how Achievements are/work on consoles/PC and that people talked about this topic more than once.

They either don't care enough to bother or they find it too hard to figure out.

Edit: Also, we don't know how Base Games and DLCs work on Steam. Because if a game comes out with no DLC and it gets DLC later on, what is the thing gluing the DLC Achievements with the Base Game? why isn't it already a separate thing?

Idk, too many questions without Valve being the one giving out the deets to it all.

You should read up on things like the Steamworks documentation that's freely available. It will greatly enhance your understanding of how Steam works.

As it is, it's currently already possible to separate Base and DLC achievements. But as said, game devs simply do not apply it all.

One major mistake people often make is thinking that companies want the same thing as themselves. No, their interests are often enough vastly different.
Same with the standard "yeah, but it's easy to implement". sure, doesn't mean someone *wants* to, though.

[ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

You should read up on things like the Steamworks documentation that's freely available. It will greatly enhance your understanding of how Steam works.

As it is, it's currently already possible to separate Base and DLC achievements. But as said, game devs simply do not apply it all.

One major mistake people often make is thinking that companies want the same thing as themselves.

Ain't nobody got time for that lol. A simple answer or explanation works just fine.

So, the main answer = Devs are lazy butts who don't want to bother separating Achievements on Steam but on consoles, they get the help from Microsoft/Sony. I rather have them on here then, help these lazy dudes out.

Not everyone thinks the same so, saying "people" is not right. You can say, some or most but not just people in general. I know companies only care about money while trying to fake people out with their "care" and "love".

If something is easy and certain people don't bother with it, that shows me they couldn't give two craps about it nor the people who do care about it. Devs/Companies be fake and love spewing lies.

[Soliolangley]

Originally posted by ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

You should read up on things like the Steamworks documentation that's freely available. It will greatly enhance your understanding of how Steam works.

As it is, it's currently already possible to separate Base and DLC achievements. But as said, game devs simply do not apply it all.

One major mistake people often make is thinking that companies want the same thing as themselves.

Ain't nobody got time for that lol. A simple answer or explanation works just fine.

So, the main answer = Devs are lazy butts who don't want to bother separating Achievements on Steam but on consoles, they get the help from Microsoft/Sony. I rather have them on here then, help these lazy dudes out.

Not everyone thinks the same so, saying "people" is not right. You can say, some or most but not just people in general. I know companies only care about money while trying to fake people out with their "care" and "love".

If something is easy and certain people don't bother with it, that shows me they couldn't give two craps about it nor the people who do care about it. Devs/Companies be fake and love spewing lies.

+1

I have the problem with recent game like The Talos of Principle 2: achievement from DLC (I don't have) are merged with the base game.

[JPMcMillen]

Originally posted by Soliolangley:

I have the problem with recent game like The Talos of Principle 2: achievement from DLC (I don't have) are merged with the base game.

That's not a bug, it's working how the developer intends it to. If you want 100%, they expect you to buy the DLC.

[Soliolangley]

Originally posted by JPMcMillen:

Originally posted by Soliolangley:

I have the problem with recent game like The Talos of Principle 2: achievement from DLC (I don't have) are merged with the base game.

That's not a bug, it's working how the developer intends it to. If you want 100%, they expect you to buy the DLC.

I didn't say it was a bug : I showed a concrete example of the misuse of the Steam API on achievements. Steam should do something if some developers are too lazy. Why are achievements for the SAME games categorized correctly on other platforms, but not steam?

Example: Talos of principle 2 on xbox
https://www.trueachievements.com/game/The-Talos-Principle-II/achievements

For the SAME game, the SAME achievements, on xbox they are correctly placed in the correct categories.

Conclusion: Steam is part of the problem.

[BJWyler]

Originally posted by Soliolangley:

Originally posted by JPMcMillen:

That's not a bug, it's working how the developer intends it to. If you want 100%, they expect you to buy the DLC.

I didn't say it was a bug : I showed a concrete example of the misuse of the Steam API on achievements. Steam should do something if some developers are too lazy. Why are achievements for the SAME games categorized correctly on other platforms, but not steam?

Example: Talos of principle 2 on xbox
https://www.trueachievements.com/game/The-Talos-Principle-II/achievements

For the SAME game, the SAME achievements, on xbox they are correctly placed in the correct categories.

Conclusion: Steam is part of the problem.

Actually, consoles incorrectly place achievements. Once more content is released for a game, it's irrelevant whether that content is part of a DLC, or simply included as part of the existing content. It is content for the game, and that content should rightly be completed in order to "100%" the game.

Laziness had nothing to do with it. Steam does it the way it should be done, as do the developers. This is the PC platform, and consoles can keep their nonsense on their own turf. I don't need an additional thousand entries in my library for each and every DLC for each and every game I own just because a small group of people want to fake complete games.