Increase artwork size from 5mb to 10mb

[flaur]

For static artworks 5mb is fine, but for gifs it's just not enough.
A gif that's 800x600 has to be literally less than a second long (around 0.80 sec), at this point we may as well just upload a static picture. So if you want to use a gif you have to lower the framerate to something like 15 fps, and compress it 35% (already a 800x600 pic) for it to be under 5mb which just looks horrible, pixels everywhere and low framerate.

I already know there will be people coming out with the typical fake excuses like:
-"Valve reduced it from 8mb to 5 cause higher mb artworks takes longer to load."
If you look at speedtestnet's global index you will see that the average internet speed in 2024 is 56 mbps for download (way more than enough to load a steam profile seamlessly)
-"Storage costs money"
Valve make around $10b every year, they can easily afford it, money isn't the issue.

[flaur]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Whatever their reason for shorting it to 5MB from 8MB, I doubt they raise it back up at all.

Could be bandwidth thing, could be cost effective, who knows what their reason for it.

What I can recommend is allow other formats like webm as good alternative to gif.

Now if this is a JPEG you need 10MB then yeah good luck with that.

The only reason is greed, they just wanna make more and more money cutting corners everywhere.
Yeah webm is a good idea.
I literally stated i'ts fine for static pictures and that it's an issue with gifs specifically but you probably just didn't read the topic.

[flaur]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Start_Running:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

Ah okay, it seems like for some reason you can't understand the very essence of this topic.
Basically this:
-I want an artwork that's high resolution
-I want it to be lengthy enough to satisfy my needs (not yours)
-I want it to have a high framerate
-And lastly, i don't want to have to compress it cause it makes it pixelated.

FIne. There are plenty of reasonably priced hosting services.
Thing is Valve made a point of lowering it which more or less implies they want to cut down on people trying to use them as a mini-youtube.

Though it's kinda funny to be going on about lssless when you've already given yourself a massive quality hit just by limiting yourself to the gif colour space.

Yup, indeed there are.
More like: they wanna make as much money as possible without the hesitation of cutting corners cause society has accepted their "everything" becoming worse and worse.

That's why i said lossless/seamless, as long as you don't see a significantly noticeable quality drop it's fine.
But yeah, some people suggested the implementation of webm which is good idea and sounds like the perfect solution.
At this point it just boils down whether Valve are lazy enough to add it or not.

[eram]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Whatever their reason for shorting it to 5MB from 8MB, I doubt they raise it back up at all.

Could be bandwidth thing, could be cost effective, who knows what their reason for it.

What I can recommend is allow other formats like webm as good alternative to gif.

Now if this is a JPEG you need 10MB then yeah good luck with that.

The only reason is greed, they just wanna make more and more money cutting corners everywhere.
Yeah webm is a good idea.
I literally stated i'ts fine for static pictures and that it's an issue with gifs specifically but you probably just didn't read the topic.

the only reason? please provide your source of info because i think you made it up. thanks.

[flaur]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BJWyler:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

Yeah, exactly. I don't get what's the point in arguing about something they don't use or care about. It's an issue that doesn't affect them, so of course they would settle for anything even if it was 1MB, it doesn't affect them.
But somehow they have a godly "correct" opinion on a subjective topic and people who actually suffer with said topic have to put up with their nonsense.
Like: if you don't need more than 5MB, ok cool. But what's the point in telling people who need and wanna make good looking profiles they don't need it?

Because everything Valve does affects every Steam user one way or another.

It's always easy to say that money doesn't matter when it's not your money on the line. Money always matters. Those who squander it on any and every little unnecessary wish fulfillment will find it gone very quickly.

Steam is not an opera house.
Steam is not a speaker's corner
Steam is not an art gallery

Steam is a gaming store platform. Valve has tacked on some basic and rudimentary social features as a way for gamers to connect, but that's all it is and all it ever needs to be. Anything else is simply bloat that weighs down the platform.

If people want music, there are apps and sites designed for such a purpose.
If people want to mic drop with free speech, there are apps and sites designed for such a purpose.
If people want to be artists, there are apps and sites designed for such a purpose.

Steam doesn't need to be that. Steam just needs to serve up games. Nothing more and nothing less. Anything else takes away from that goal and negatively affects those that are here for that one and only purpose that Steam should be providing.

"Because everything Valve does affects every Steam user one way or another."
Yeah, just how lowering it to 5mb affected a lot of users negatively?
Are you gonna argue that there's a minority who have bad internet and it will take them longer to load someone's profile?
Firstly, this is a gaming platform, which means it automatically filters out most people who have internet so bad to a point where they can't even load an image.
There will always be a minority of course, but even when someone takes slightly longer to load an image it's not an issue of "high importance".

"It's always easy to say that money doesn't matter when it's not your money on the line. Money always matters. Those who squander it on any and every little unnecessary wish fulfillment will find it gone very quickly."

Oh well it's exactly MY money and the other users's money on the line cause we pay for games, steam points, cs2 items, etc etc.
Valve makes their profit from us, so it's only natural to give us a good experience.
Oh brother, just look at how much money Valve are making every year and how much it would cost for a better service.
It just boils down to Valve cutting corners and squeezing every cent they can, do you just wanna make the rich richer? Are you just unaware they make way more than enough money?

"If people want music, there are apps and sites designed for such a purpose.
If people want to mic drop with free speech, there are apps and sites designed for such a purpose.
If people want to be artists, there are apps and sites designed for such a purpose.

Steam doesn't need to be that. Steam just needs to serve up games. Nothing more and nothing less. Anything else takes away from that goal and negatively affects those that are here for that one and only purpose that Steam should be providing"

I guess you just haven't yet discovered that all those media contents you mentioned are already a feature here on Steam.
Wym steam doesn't "need" that? That's just your opinion buddy, they have been pushing artworks and profile designs for ages now.
Just look at the steam points shop, and how many features they have added that are purely based on designing our profiles.
Steam USED to be a place where you just play games maybe like, 20 years ago?
I guess you have been living under a rock cause they have been improving and expanding their platform ever since.
Steam is not just for playing games, it's also social media, by DEFINITION.

And if you literally disagree with any of these then you're just a 1+1=2 denier.

[flaur]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von eram:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

The only reason is greed, they just wanna make more and more money cutting corners everywhere.
Yeah webm is a good idea.
I literally stated i'ts fine for static pictures and that it's an issue with gifs specifically but you probably just didn't read the topic.

the only reason? please provide your source of info because i think you made it up. thanks.

my source is: i've discovered the answer to 1+1

[eram]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von eram:

the only reason? please provide your source of info because i think you made it up. thanks.

my source is: i've discovered the answer to 1+1

ok so made up nonsense

[flaur]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von eram:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

my source is: i've discovered the answer to 1+1

ok so made up nonsense

Are you a 1+1=2 denier?

[eram]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von eram:

ok so made up nonsense

Are you a 1+1=2 denier?

dont ruin your own thread just because you made stuff up with no sources to show anything is true or real. its ok so admit you made up nonsense

[Nx Machina]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

it's literally a forum about suggestions/ideas

Nope: It is a "discussion" forum for suggestions and ideas as noted at the bottom.

All Discussions > Steam Forums > Suggestions / Ideas

[flaur]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von eram:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

Are you a 1+1=2 denier?

dont ruin your own thread just because you made stuff up with no sources to show anything is true or real. its ok so admit you made up nonsense

So you're denying that decreasing the artwork size limit doesn't save valve money.
Well if you learned how to use google, then you would have discovered that upgrading that specific service ends up costing more.
So indeed what i have said is true, it's also something a lot of people in this topic are also saying.
And if you think the reason is something else, then go on and provide me a better reason, enlighten me and everyone here what the true reason is, and provide your soUrCe while you're at it.

[flaur]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nx Machina:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

it's literally a forum about suggestions/ideas

Nope: It is a "discussion" forum for suggestions and ideas as noted at the bottom.

All Discussions > Steam Forums > Suggestions / Ideas

"Nope, 1+1 isn't 2, it's 2."

[eram]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von eram:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

The only reason is greed, they just wanna make more and more money cutting corners everywhere.
Yeah webm is a good idea.
I literally stated i'ts fine for static pictures and that it's an issue with gifs specifically but you probably just didn't read the topic.

the only reason? please provide your source of info because i think you made it up. thanks.

[Nx Machina]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nx Machina:

Nope: It is a "discussion" forum for suggestions and ideas as noted at the bottom.

All Discussions > Steam Forums > Suggestions / Ideas

"Nope, 1+1 isn't 2, it's 2."

How is that relevant to what you replied to?

[Nx Machina]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

So you're denying that decreasing the artwork size limit doesn't save valve money.

Do you have access to Valve's financial data to be able to back up that claim?

[eram]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nx Machina:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von flaur:

So you're denying that decreasing the artwork size limit doesn't save valve money.

Do you have access to Valve's financial data to be able to back up that claim?

he said its greed so obviously knows and didn't make it up then when called out wrecked their thread with nonsense.. totally normal