For Steam Awards make a "Best Anti-Cheat" category

[76561197963519852]

To raise awareness for what REAL gamers actually want out of games.

I could care less about every other category when the basic premise of playing a game is nullified by people cheating.

GAME + CHEATERS =/= GAME

It's really that simple, Valve.

You guys talk a big talk about needing to innovate.

Where is the anti-cheat?

We're a quarter of a century into this millennium and Valve is afraid to talk about this HUGE GAME-BREAKING ISSUE.

Stop the cowardice.

Give the real gamers, the guys who've been with you since day 1, some credit.

Thanks

[mldb88]

Maybe the issue is you're just bad at the game? We've been over this already for weeks, and you've provided zero evidence that the cheating problem is as bad as you're making it. It basically just comes down to pointing fingers and going "well he stuttered when I blatantly accused him of cheating". No actual evidence from gameplay that can't be explained by common tech used by players like blind firing in areas people frequently camp, corner shooting, etc. No VAC bans on record for any of the ones you keep pointing fingers at. The reason you're losing isn't a cheating epidemic, the reason you're losing is you're not good enough to play with the big boys and it pisses you off, so you come here to irritate the rest of us by complaining about cheaters nonstop. The CS2 boards are over there, go bother them about their game and leave the rest of us who don't give a ♥♥♥♥ in peace.

[76561199559798421]

match making ranked status is extremely bias and teams often are per-made abusers that will vote kick people off for reasons like "potato"

the big boys are just cheaters though, this is well known fact as the pro's have been caught cheating, anyone suggestion someone can't play is either a cheater themselves or just doesn't know the game is full of cheating.

either way the cheating exists and the bias abuse of the cheating is seen by even those within casual games.

keep in mind many people cheat in casual and they will try and defend each other to fluff there own ego because they cheat as well. any exposure of cheats could and will likely shatter the self imposed illusion of there own skill level.

[76561197963519852]

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match making ranked status is extremely bias and teams often are per-made abusers that will vote kick people off for reasons like "potato"

the big boys are just cheaters though, this is well known fact as the pro's have been caught cheating, anyone suggestion someone can't play is either a cheater themselves or just doesn't know the game is full of cheating.

either way the cheating exists and the bias abuse of the cheating is seen by even those within casual games.

keep in mind many people cheat in casual and they will try and defend each other to fluff there own ego because they cheat as well. any exposure of cheats could and will likely shatter the self imposed illusion of there own skill level.

Bingo.

How many in my threads are constantly attacking me from alts with zero gameplay recorded?

I've always thought they were cheaters.

They hate the illusion being shattered. They need the lie.

[mldb88]

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Escrito originalmente por Everyone is Invited:

match making ranked status is extremely bias and teams often are per-made abusers that will vote kick people off for reasons like "potato"

the big boys are just cheaters though, this is well known fact as the pro's have been caught cheating, anyone suggestion someone can't play is either a cheater themselves or just doesn't know the game is full of cheating.

either way the cheating exists and the bias abuse of the cheating is seen by even those within casual games.

keep in mind many people cheat in casual and they will try and defend each other to fluff there own ego because they cheat as well. any exposure of cheats could and will likely shatter the self imposed illusion of there own skill level.

Bingo.

How many in my threads are constantly attacking me from alts with zero gameplay recorded?

I've always thought they were cheaters.

They hate the illusion being shattered. They need the lie.

Ah, yes, the old I don't have evidence to disprove it so I'll just label them alts and cheaters tactic. Ironic considering the poster you're replying to...

[Thermal Lance]

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Bingo.

How many in my threads are constantly attacking me from alts with zero gameplay recorded?

I've always thought they were cheaters.

They hate the illusion being shattered. They need the lie.

Ah, yes, the old I don't have evidence to disprove it so I'll just label them alts and cheaters tactic. Ironic considering the poster you're replying to...

The irony meter is gone man. Gone. Punched a hole through the ceiling.

[mldb88]

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Ah, yes, the old I don't have evidence to disprove it so I'll just label them alts and cheaters tactic. Ironic considering the poster you're replying to...

The irony meter is gone man. Gone. Punched a hole through the ceiling.

*Does my best Tim Curry impression*
It escaped to the only place not corrupted by cheaters..... SPACE!

[Piston Smashed™]

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From your posts it's quite clear playing CS2 achieves little more than getting on your nerves. I learned long time ago to step away from games that got me into a bad headspace.

Tito,

This is always your answer.

Have you tried playing CS2?

I just want to know if you're aware of what the experience is like.

But Tito has a point.

Here's a little story, when I was about 11 or 12 I got my first game ban which wasn't from my parents. I had the handheld Munchman game and the top score for the game was 1999 points. I could get to 1998 points nearly every time I played it but that last point to complete the game kept eluding me. For weeks I got so stressed out at the game that I eventually came out in a rash from top to bottom. If I got that stressed out now I'm older I'd probably keel over.

No game is worth getting so stress out at that it makes you bad and it will do in the end if you carry on. I'm genuinely being serious and wouldn't want anyone ending up badly or worse over a stupid game. So please stop getting so stressed over the game, just report anyone you think is cheating and move on and I bet your gaming will improve.

BTW The bloody doctor banned me for a month from playing video games.

[Thermal Lance]

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The irony meter is gone man. Gone. Punched a hole through the ceiling.

*Does my best Tim Curry impression*
It escaped to the only place not corrupted by cheaters..... SPACE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdjL8WXjlGI

[Crazy Tiger]

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Bingo.

How many in my threads are constantly attacking me from alts with zero gameplay recorded?

I've always thought they were cheaters.

They hate the illusion being shattered. They need the lie.

Ah, yes, the old I don't have evidence to disprove it so I'll just label them alts and cheaters tactic. Ironic considering the poster you're replying to...

I'm really curious what my alts or my statistics are. REALLY curious.

[Piston Smashed™]

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*Does my best Tim Curry impression*
It escaped to the only place not corrupted by cheaters..... SPACE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdjL8WXjlGI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE

[Piston Smashed™]

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Escrito originalmente por Everyone is Invited:

match making ranked status is extremely bias and teams often are per-made abusers that will vote kick people off for reasons like "potato"

the big boys are just cheaters though, this is well known fact as the pro's have been caught cheating, anyone suggestion someone can't play is either a cheater themselves or just doesn't know the game is full of cheating.

either way the cheating exists and the bias abuse of the cheating is seen by even those within casual games.

keep in mind many people cheat in casual and they will try and defend each other to fluff there own ego because they cheat as well. any exposure of cheats could and will likely shatter the self imposed illusion of there own skill level.

Bingo.

How many in my threads are constantly attacking me from alts with zero gameplay recorded?

I've always thought they were cheaters.

They hate the illusion being shattered. They need the lie.

I find the part in bold quite funny seeing as you're talking to an ALT with no gameplay.

[mldb88]

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*Does my best Tim Curry impression*
It escaped to the only place not corrupted by cheaters..... SPACE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdjL8WXjlGI

LOL tho I was referencing more this, but damn that's good too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM

[Gwarsbane]

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What if Valve commissioned a study.

For all you know, they did, they just didn't tell anyone they were going to. Why would they not tell anyone they were going to? Because then cheaters would just stay away, or flood it to skew the results.

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Step 1: create a secure environment
Step 2: run a test
Step 3: analyze results and create a spectrum of data that analyzes skill
Step 4: routinely conduct the test to ensure advancing meta is up to date
Step 5: use this data as a constant backdrop against individual player skill and isolate anomalies

The only secure environment would be a small network of as near identical PCs that are not connected to the internet, with all their external ports physically blocked so that no USB of any kind could be inserted, no wifi or anything like that, all in individual rooms and check the people as they come in...

But with this you don't get what you are looking for, a random assortment of player skills. The selection is going to be very small and just for the local area of Valve because they won't be able to tell anyone what its about, so finding enough people might be hard.

Doing it over the internet... well you have no idea what the PC specs are, what the internet connection is like, or a bunch of other variables that can really mess up the testing. Also people can connect anything they want to their PCs... including software cheats or even hardware cheats that CAN NOT be picked up by something like VAC or any other anti-cheat program. And yes... there are people who use hardware cheats that even use a second PC.

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Step 6: require KYC

As pointed out many times... this is expensive when you are dealing with millions of users. Its also impossible to do in many countries because it would be illegal for Valve to ask for a form of ID. In Canada, there are only few places that are allowed to ask me for my ID. Some of them are not even allowed to keep track of that ID unless I do something. For example, a bar. They can ask me for my ID to make sure I am of age because thats what they are forced to do by laws. Unless I start trouble in that part, they are not allowed to keep tack of that ID, which would be used to keep me out of the location if I caused trouble.

Valve, a gaming company, a foreign gaming company, would not be allowed to ask me for a copy of my ID. Even if they were, there is no secure way for them to know if the ID I put in is actually mine because as I already pointed out in my copy and paste...

THEY HAVE NO DATABASE THAT THEY CAN SEARCH BECAUSE NO GOVERNMENT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD EVER ALLOW THEM TO SEE THAT PRIVATE INFO.

The US has 50 individual states and a few territories... each with their own IDs, there is no US wide ID. Canada has 10 provinces and 3 territories, each with their own IDs and no Canada wide ID.

And no, passports don't count because they are not mandatory to have and are expensive... and again no way for Valve to actually verify it...

There are lots of other countries around the world that would also not allow this to happen. There are lots of other countries around the world that people don't actually have a government ID.

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If they did this, you would have a start to something new and something better

You can't use overwatch if your data is from cheaters who are constantly manipulating data and purposely pretending to play the game while simultaneously cheating.

There is no way for Valve to do what you want because of costs and it would also be such a small dataset that it would be useless. Overwatch is better then nothing... though I'm not sure they are using it anymore, I heard that it had ended, I haven't heard of it being brought back. I also heard they were using it to train an AI to spot cheaters... again no idea how thats going.

[76561197963519852]

Escrito originalmente por Gwarsbane:

Escrito originalmente por 76561197963519852:

What if Valve commissioned a study.

For all you know, they did, they just didn't tell anyone they were going to. Why would they not tell anyone they were going to? Because then cheaters would just stay away, or flood it to skew the results.

Escrito originalmente por 76561197963519852:

Step 1: create a secure environment
Step 2: run a test
Step 3: analyze results and create a spectrum of data that analyzes skill
Step 4: routinely conduct the test to ensure advancing meta is up to date
Step 5: use this data as a constant backdrop against individual player skill and isolate anomalies

The only secure environment would be a small network of as near identical PCs that are not connected to the internet, with all their external ports physically blocked so that no USB of any kind could be inserted, no wifi or anything like that, all in individual rooms and check the people as they come in...

But with this you don't get what you are looking for, a random assortment of player skills. The selection is going to be very small and just for the local area of Valve because they won't be able to tell anyone what its about, so finding enough people might be hard.

Doing it over the internet... well you have no idea what the PC specs are, what the internet connection is like, or a bunch of other variables that can really mess up the testing. Also people can connect anything they want to their PCs... including software cheats or even hardware cheats that CAN NOT be picked up by something like VAC or any other anti-cheat program. And yes... there are people who use hardware cheats that even use a second PC.

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Step 6: require KYC

As pointed out many times... this is expensive when you are dealing with millions of users. Its also impossible to do in many countries because it would be illegal for Valve to ask for a form of ID. In Canada, there are only few places that are allowed to ask me for my ID. Some of them are not even allowed to keep track of that ID unless I do something. For example, a bar. They can ask me for my ID to make sure I am of age because thats what they are forced to do by laws. Unless I start trouble in that part, they are not allowed to keep tack of that ID, which would be used to keep me out of the location if I caused trouble.

Valve, a gaming company, a foreign gaming company, would not be allowed to ask me for a copy of my ID. Even if they were, there is no secure way for them to know if the ID I put in is actually mine because as I already pointed out in my copy and paste...

THEY HAVE NO DATABASE THAT THEY CAN SEARCH BECAUSE NO GOVERNMENT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD EVER ALLOW THEM TO SEE THAT PRIVATE INFO.

The US has 50 individual states and a few territories... each with their own IDs, there is no US wide ID. Canada has 10 provinces and 3 territories, each with their own IDs and no Canada wide ID.

And no, passports don't count because they are not mandatory to have and are expensive... and again no way for Valve to actually verify it...

There are lots of other countries around the world that would also not allow this to happen. There are lots of other countries around the world that people don't actually have a government ID.

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If they did this, you would have a start to something new and something better

You can't use overwatch if your data is from cheaters who are constantly manipulating data and purposely pretending to play the game while simultaneously cheating.

There is no way for Valve to do what you want because of costs and it would also be such a small dataset that it would be useless. Overwatch is better then nothing... though I'm not sure they are using it anymore, I heard that it had ended, I haven't heard of it being brought back. I also heard they were using it to train an AI to spot cheaters... again no idea how thats going.

Don't tell me the billions they're raking in they can't make a secure test.

Invite the highest trusted accounts.

They have the data. They can use it to figure out who they'd want to participate. Or they could just run the test over multiple cities and invite players at random. Either way, it would be a constant evolving and growing data set. Let any player who participated get a medal or something. You'll have no shortage of volunteers. Yes, it would cost Valve money to run the tests but I guarantee some of us would be more than happy to give our time.

I like your ideas for the security though.

[Mad Scientist]

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Don't tell me the billions they're raking in they can't make a secure test.

They don't need to spend a single dime because some individuals label almost all game opponents as "cheaters".
Nor are they going to illegally seek collecting personal data internationally because of that.

Steam Awards are also for GAMES, which is the point of the store.

Also varying thread iterations of the same thing is still the same thing, the amount of threads submitted around anti-cheat from one source is already enough.