For Steam Awards make a "Best Anti-Cheat" category

[76561197963519852]

To raise awareness for what REAL gamers actually want out of games.

I could care less about every other category when the basic premise of playing a game is nullified by people cheating.

GAME + CHEATERS =/= GAME

It's really that simple, Valve.

You guys talk a big talk about needing to innovate.

Where is the anti-cheat?

We're a quarter of a century into this millennium and Valve is afraid to talk about this HUGE GAME-BREAKING ISSUE.

Stop the cowardice.

Give the real gamers, the guys who've been with you since day 1, some credit.

Thanks

[Piston Smashed™]

Here we go again, different day same crap just with a new bow on it.

You haven't been with Steam since day one, I can make that claim though.

[HikariLight]

Thank you for telling us you have no idea about the issues behind cheating.

Everytime an Anti cheat is updated the cheat makers update their cheats, then the anti cheat gets updated again in response to that, thus a neverending loop.
A neverending game of cat and mouse.

#fixsociety
So long as the human desire to get ahead by any means exists, so to will cheaters.

[76561197963519852]

Originally posted by Piston Smashed™:

Here we go again, different day same crap just with a new bow on it.

You haven't been with Steam since day one, I can make that claim though. :spazwinky:

I was playing Half-Life 1 as a kid at my dad's work on LAN in '99

Killbox. Custom characters (I was Homer Simpson). Laser-guided missile launcher.

It was an evolution of the most glorious kind over GoldenEye and FPS multiplayer for my little 13 year old brain.

You could say it changed my life. I found something I truly enjoyed and still do to this day when it's a fair and competitive environment.

Unfortunately, the latter no longer exists.

[76561197963519852]

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Thank you for telling us you have no idea about the issues behind cheating.

Everytime an Anti cheat is updated the cheat makers update their cheats, then the anti cheat gets updated again in response to that, thus a neverending loop.
A neverending game of cat and mouse.

#fixsociety
So long as the human desire to get ahead by any means exists, so to will cheaters.

The technology is available to stop it. It will require a massive break in the status quo to implement. Late-Stage capitalism is more of a culprit here than society.

Valve needs to be not afraid to take the risk in shaking things up.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Thank you for telling us you have no idea about the issues behind cheating.

Everytime an Anti cheat is updated the cheat makers update their cheats, then the anti cheat gets updated again in response to that, thus a neverending loop.
A neverending game of cat and mouse.

#fixsociety
So long as the human desire to get ahead by any means exists, so to will cheaters.

The technology is available to stop it. It will require a massive break in the status quo to implement. Late-Stage capitalism is more of a culprit here than society.

Valve needs to be not afraid to take the risk in shaking things up.

People aren't going to give over a DNA sample to verify their account and prevent cheating.

It's time to log off dude.

[TBS AlexDK]

The best anti cheat is going to be the unpopular games with anti cheat

[Piston Smashed™]

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

Originally posted by Piston Smashed™:

Here we go again, different day same crap just with a new bow on it.

You haven't been with Steam since day one, I can make that claim though.

I was playing Half-Life 1 as a kid at my dad's work on LAN in '99

Killbox. Custom characters (I was Homer Simpson). Laser-guided missile launcher.

It was an evolution of the most glorious kind over GoldenEye and FPS multiplayer for my little 13 year old brain.

You could say it changed my life. I found something I truly enjoyed and still do to this day when it's a fair and competitive environment.

Unfortunately, the latter no longer exists.

What has that got to do with you making yet another thread about cheaters. Does it make your claims more credibility or something? I'll give it a try...

I was playing games on a PC I built myself when you were playing Half Life on your dads computer.

I've played in multiple leagues in CS/CZ and Pool over the years.

The day Steam was released was my 33rd birthday and I remember waiting for it to be released very well, I was drinking on Vodka and Marston's Pedigree.

My son has been playing CS since he was 3 years old, he's 26 years old now and I'd bet my next years wages on you calling him a cheat if you ever crossed paths.

I've probably banned more cheaters than most have ever seen in my time as admin.

I've been gaming since 1976 when my dad came home with a Grandstand Pong console, that is over over 47 years of gaming.

I'm not sure it works, I don't feel anymore credible... Although I am incredible, can I get an award for that.

[76561199559798421]

Great suggestion , Anti-cheat however steam up-ticking its games that have the worst anti-cheat would happen. there is actually nothing honest or truthful about the steam awards. It is just steam creating some marketing manipulation in the expression of "Votes"

don't be fooled by steams marketing.

as for the suggestion its great, the validity of it would however be just another gimmick of distraction from a bland game store which is selling shovel ware at customers in the guise of popularity.

[Crazy Tiger]

Every gamer is a real gamer, they're all real people after all. Oh wait, it's the standard bullcrap that people use to pretend they're "better" than others. Right, ego stroking.

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

Valve needs to be not afraid to take the risk in shaking things up.

It would require Valve to violate laws, actually. And it still won't work. That's the issue with any "I have the perfect solution to cheating" BS thread.

[76561199559798421]

whats a few more laws, steam has violated laws for a decade over consumer trust. Valve is afraid of being caught, not doing it. You can see this level of fear reflect on other topics that bring to light some of the things steam has been doing, the level of denial by typical user accounts it way to obviously steam narrative to be real enough for a customer to defend steam with a non sense post such as "steam doesn't do that"

as far as we all known steam has no anti cheat for any of its games its just reports and abusive in game moderation that bans accounts others report after they review it. its a well known fact that valve games have high levels of cheating since the creation of steam.

[76561197963519852]

Originally posted by Everyone is Invited:

Great suggestion , Anti-cheat however steam up-ticking its games that have the worst anti-cheat would happen. there is actually nothing honest or truthful about the steam awards. It is just steam creating some marketing manipulation in the expression of "Votes"

don't be fooled by steams marketing.

as for the suggestion its great, the validity of it would however be just another gimmick of distraction from a bland game store which is selling shovel ware at customers in the guise of popularity.

I'm just tired of them pretending it's not important.

Again, they claim they won't release sequels unless it advances the genre.

How the hell does CS2 or Deadlock fit into that when they are flat out ignoring the constant drone of people discussing cheaters ruining the game.


It's like, they talk and talk but there is no action. From my perspective, gaming is totally dead until the developers start showing respect to the concept of gaming itself.

Again, there is no game if there are no rules. If people cheat, the game is not being played.

Some cheaters think not being caught is the game. I will never adopt that mentality.

An award for anticheat would at a minimum build awareness. It's messed up but I don't know how else to get devs to listen.

[Piston Smashed™]

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

Originally posted by Piston Smashed™:

What has that got to do with you making yet another thread about cheaters. Does it make your claims more credibility or something? I'll give it a try...

I was playing games on a PC I built myself when you were playing Half Life on your dads computer.

I've played in multiple leagues in CS/CZ and Pool over the years.

The day Steam was released was my 33rd birthday and I remember waiting for it to be released very well, I was drinking on Vodka and Marston's Pedigree.

My son has been playing CS since he was 3 years old, he's 26 years old now and I'd bet my next years wages on you calling him a cheat if you ever crossed paths.

I've probably banned more cheaters than most have ever seen in my time as admin.

I've been gaming since 1976 when my dad came home with a Grandstand Pong console, that is over over 47 years of gaming.

I'm not sure it works, I don't feel anymore credible... Although I am incredible, can I get an award for that.

My first build was a Pentium 2/GeForce 2. I had already played PC games like Day of the Tentacle, Doom, Dark Forces 2 and R6. 56k

The significance of playing at my dad's work was it was a LAN. The multiplayer was seamless versus trying to do it over 56k. Of course, 56k didn't stop me, but the broadband revolution hadn't hit yet.

Either way, the reason I made that post was gaming was fun then. Cheating happened, but it was far from the rule. Today, fair play is an exception. Cheating is not a "rate occurrence" and cheaters have become common place.

Today there are pro players who have VAC bans as recent as 2 years ago who are still allowed to compete with no recourse.

The pro scene changed everything. It made the standard way to play 5v5 but it also reinforced closet cheating.

I don't know why you're against the concept of having an award for anticheat. It should be lauded and recognized.

I still have my Geforce 2 GTS 32mb graphics card which cost me 85 quid and it was awesome.

I'm not against having an Anti-Cheat award but lets be honest there's not enough anti-cheats to warrant an award. This is just another pop an how VAC is useless (in your eyes) and doesn't deal with cheaters, which then brings us right back to the start of I keep getting my botty spanked so everyone is cheating.

If you put in half the effect you do in complaining on the forum into your gaming then you wouldn't get your botty spanked so much and we'd all be better off for it because we'd have less of these threads complaining about cheaters and VAC.

Happy Days...

[Gwarsbane]

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

To raise awareness for what REAL gamers actually want out of games.

I could care less about every other category when the basic premise of playing a game is nullified by people cheating.

GAME + CHEATERS =/= GAME

It's really that simple, Valve.

You guys talk a big talk about needing to innovate.

Where is the anti-cheat?

We're a quarter of a century into this millennium and Valve is afraid to talk about this HUGE GAME-BREAKING ISSUE.

Stop the cowardice.

Give the real gamers, the guys who've been with you since day 1, some credit.

Thanks

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

The technology is available to stop it. It will require a massive break in the status quo to implement. Late-Stage capitalism is more of a culprit here than society.

Valve needs to be not afraid to take the risk in shaking things up.

No actually the tech is not available to stop it... even china and south korea which has introduced laws against making and supplying cheats, meaning if you do you spend time in actual prison, can't do anything to stop cheaters.

We have been over this so many other times....

There is no magic wand.

Read below and if you still think there is an actual magical way to stop cheaters that they have not tried, then add it... and we'll tell you why its not going to work.

Also Valve tried invasive software to try to stop cheaters (something that doesn't actually work) and the Steam community as a whole, even those who don't play the Valve games this would have infected, stood up and said NO and Valve backed down.

Its a never ending game of whack-a-mole that has no tech that can stop it cold.


Copy and paste for every time a "I have a great idea to stop cheating" and the "DO SOMETHING" posts that always happen because people don't bother to use the search feature...

While below is mainly aimed at VAC, it can be said about any anti-cheat software.

Do you really think that they just sit there saying, "oh we have the perfect way to stop all hackers/cheaters once and for all, but we're just not going to do it cause we're lazy, ohh look at that, more money just rolled in, time to sit back doing nothing again"....

You have no idea how hard it is to stop hackers/cheater.

Blocking IPs are pointless, IPs can be changed in seconds, also if you block a single IP you could end up blocking lots of innocent people specially if the ISPs reuse IPs.

Blocking Hardware IDs is also as pointless, they can be changed and if you sell off your hardware, anyone who gets it will be banned.

Asking for some form of ID is pointless without anyway for Valve to actually Verify that ID is actually real. There is this thing called photo editing, its easily done by just about anyone. So sending pictures of the ID is pointless. There is no government databases that Valve can tap into from every single country they sell in the world because no government in their right mind would ever allow a game company access to private information.

Take the US all on its own, there are 50 different states, each with their own IDs, there is no single US ID so that would be 50 different databases Valve would need access too. Canada, same thing, each province and territory has their own Provincial ID, no actual Canadian ID. Now think about the hundreds of countries out there that are setup the same way.

There is no place that people can take their IDs to get verified because it would cost Valve a lot of money to pay those places to do that for them. You would also need a lot of places because no one is going to drive even miles every time they need to get their ID checked.

Most people do not have passports and to get one is very expensive, least it is in my country and its only good for a few years. If I'm not traveling outside of my country why do I need a passport?

Phone calls to talk to someone, pointless & expensive.

Require phone numbers won't work because there are free services out there that allow you to get free numbers and free texting. Also not everyone has a cell phone.

Sending someone to persons home, very expensive.

Limiting the number of accounts people can make is not possible. For one thing, Valve has no idea who is sitting at the keyboard. If you have 1 PC but have a family of 4 or 5 or more that all use that PC for gaming, and each of them has their own account, you just made it impossible for that family to have their own games on their own accounts, which is better then every single game for kids and adults on one account.

Valve can't even use a camera on the PC to see who is behind the keyboard because not all PCs have webcam. I (and may of my friends) don't use webcams. If I had a laptop with one, I would have tape over it. Cell phone has a case that covers the selfie camera.


Valve has to know about the hack and has to get their hands on it.
Then they have to figure out how it does its thing.
Then they have to figure out how to detect someone using it.
Then they have to figure out how to make sure they don't get any false positives.
Then they make it go active for a few weeks before actually hitting the kill switch.

Even before hitting the waiting time, this could be a few weeks work or more.

Why do they wait a few weeks to hit the kill switch? To get as many cheaters as they can in the net so that once they turn it on, the roaches don't go screaming to people "don't turn on the hack, its been detected".

Valve is also working on an automated way to detect cheating with teaching an AI what to look for. BUT this takes a long time to do and even then its not going to be perfect. Valve needs it to be perfect, to not create false positives that ban people who didn't actually cheat.

Now, do you know how easy it is for a cheat maker to change the cheat to make it undetectable? Sometimes its as simple as changing a few lines of code and thats it. Basically a few minutes work, then compile the program, test it, and upload it somewhere.

So if you want to help Valve, stop making posts like this. Look for people spreading urls to websites with hacks and send those urls (for the hacks and hack sites) to steam support. Don't post them in public, just send it to steam support.

If the game is not VAC protected, then you have to contact the game developer/publisher via the games discussion area and ask them how to submit the stuff to them.

[76561199559798421]

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

I'm just tired of them pretending it's not important.

Again, they claim they won't release sequels unless it advances the genre.

its amazing cause all CSGO 2 did was increase the computer resources with over inflated textures which no real advances to CSGO or the genre.

Its questionable why they spent a year doing this but couldn't even provide a new map set or new weapons and extra's to improve the game.

[76561197963519852]

Originally posted by Everyone is Invited:

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

I'm just tired of them pretending it's not important.

Again, they claim they won't release sequels unless it advances the genre.

its amazing cause all CSGO 2 did was increase the computer resources with over inflated textures which no real advances to CSGO or the genre.

Its questionable why they spent a year doing this but couldn't even provide a new map set or new weapons and extra's to improve the game.

The majority of the workload was carrying over skins.