Adding Emulators

[TheRedfields1998]

My idea for adding emulators, is having most of the games on there and you can sell the emulator for 29.99, and as time goes by keep updating it with brand new games, and you can have them with built in cheats and some mods

[Brian9824]

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

Garbage původně napsal:

Valve is on the side of corporations, even when they are in the wrong. When Dolphin tried to work their way onto Steam, Valve immediately cowered, contacted Nintendo, asked them if they were okay with it (even though they have no say or jurisdiction on the matter), and Nintendo told them that there were going to be problems if Dolphin was allowed on.

That pretty much closed the door for any future attempts if there ever was one. Also the time when they briefly featured an emulator on a Deck and had to swiftly remove the ad and apologise.

You don't toy around Nintendo's legal team.

I mean who can blame steam. Nintendo basically told them the second it was released they'd hit steam with a DMCA claim forcing steam to immediately remove it and keeping it off the store until Dolphin and Nintendo settled the issue.

So steam just told them to settle the issue and then they'd be glad to have it on the store.

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MrNewell123 původně napsal:

brian9824 původně napsal:

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No, what we need to do, is realize we're talking about emulation, and what Steam and others can do to get with the times, being whether they do or not, others are going to do it, and are.

These i would think are a lot more simple of concepts for we to understand.

I would think this would be relevant:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1118310/discussions/0/1643168364654032851/
It's a megathread of where emulation is found on Steam.

[Brian9824]

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MrNewell123 původně napsal:

No, what we need to do, is realize we're talking about emulation, and what Steam and others can do to get with the times, being whether they do or not, others are going to do it, and are.

These i would think are a lot more simple of concepts for we to understand.

I would think this would be relevant:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1118310/discussions/0/1643168364654032851/
It's a megathread of where emulation is found on Steam.

That would require actual research and knowledge of what is being discussed though

[Boblin the Goblin]

Garbage původně napsal:

Valve is on the side of corporations, even when they are in the wrong. When Dolphin tried to work their way onto Steam, Valve immediately cowered, contacted Nintendo, asked them if they were okay with it (even though they have no say or jurisdiction on the matter), and Nintendo told them that there were going to be problems if Dolphin was allowed on.

Expect nothing of this in the future.

Actually, Dolphin did have some issues.

It included the the product keys for Wii games. Something that is only allowed if a user dumps their personal console's bios.

[Animus]

TLDR: Emulation is fine, provided the files used in it are legally obtained. This includes the BIOS files for the systems in question.

So no, a person/Steam cannot upload an emulator and add a bunch of games they don't own the rights to. As that would be illegal.

Nintendo has copyright over the bios files for their consoles, which is partially why they went after Dolphin.

[Brian9824]

Animus původně napsal:

Nintendo has copyright over the bios files for their consoles, which is partially why they went after Dolphin.

Bingo, if they had created their own or mimicked it then it could release with no issue, but they took the bios files from a wii without authorization.

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brian9824 původně napsal:

Animus původně napsal:

Nintendo has copyright over the bios files for their consoles, which is partially why they went after Dolphin.

Bingo, if they had created their own or mimicked it then it could release with no issue, but they took the bios files from a wii without authorization.

They claimed circumvention in the C&D because it contains the AES "Common Key" which outside the scope of alleged circumvention in itself isn't copyrightable but could be considered a trade secret.

[Animus]

brian9824 původně napsal:

Animus původně napsal:

Nintendo has copyright over the bios files for their consoles, which is partially why they went after Dolphin.

Bingo, if they had created their own or mimicked it then it could release with no issue, but they took the bios files from a wii without authorization.

Most early emulation, you'd use BIOS ripped from another person's/the emulator's console. Which, was still technically illegal. Then the encryptions got cracked and people made their own third-party BIOS.

BIOS aside, that still has nothing to do with the game ROMs/ISO files themselves. Which, cannot legally be uploaded to Steam without the Dev's/IP holder's permission anyway.

So what OP wants, they can't have.

[Animus]

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brian9824 původně napsal:

Bingo, if they had created their own or mimicked it then it could release with no issue, but they took the bios files from a wii without authorization.

They claimed circumvention in the C&D because it contains the AES "Common Key" which outside the scope of alleged circumvention in itself isn't copyrightable but could be considered a trade secret.

Japan has some pretty tight laws on certain things, hell, you can be sued over giving a bad review under their slander/libel laws.

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Animus původně napsal:

brian9824 původně napsal:

Bingo, if they had created their own or mimicked it then it could release with no issue, but they took the bios files from a wii without authorization.

Most early emulation, you'd use BIOS ripped from another person's/the emulator's console. Which, was still technically illegal. Then the encryptions got cracked and people made their own third-party BIOS.

BIOS aside, that still has nothing to do with the game ROMs/ISO files themselves. Which, cannot legally be uploaded to Steam without the Dev's/IP holder's permission anyway.

So what OP wants, they can't have.

Very early emulators like NES and SNES don't even need a BIOS.

[Animus]

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Animus původně napsal:

Most early emulation, you'd use BIOS ripped from another person's/the emulator's console. Which, was still technically illegal. Then the encryptions got cracked and people made their own third-party BIOS.

BIOS aside, that still has nothing to do with the game ROMs/ISO files themselves. Which, cannot legally be uploaded to Steam without the Dev's/IP holder's permission anyway.

So what OP wants, they can't have.

Very early emulators like NES and SNES don't even need a BIOS.

Nope, just a flash dump. But PS1+ era do. I have a hard drive that's basically my entire physical library backed up onto it. Lol

[Brian9824]

Animus původně napsal:

Crashed původně napsal:

They claimed circumvention in the C&D because it contains the AES "Common Key" which outside the scope of alleged circumvention in itself isn't copyrightable but could be considered a trade secret.

Japan has some pretty tight laws on certain things, hell, you can be sued over giving a bad review under their slander/libel laws.

Yeah I mean Bowser was sucessfully sued by Nintendo and still owes them like $10 million, and Nintendo is taking 25% of his paycheck for the rest of his life basically. You don't mess with nintendo and emulation.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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brian9824 původně napsal:

Bingo, if they had created their own or mimicked it then it could release with no issue, but they took the bios files from a wii without authorization.

They claimed circumvention in the C&D because it contains the AES "Common Key" which outside the scope of alleged circumvention in itself isn't copyrightable but could be considered a trade secret.

Yeah, it's a very muddy area.

[Mad Scientist]

Volfogg původně napsal:

Mad Scientist původně napsal:

By not providing what some may need and especially not things that tend to be required to make such things operable.

It's all covered nicely in their Rules thread;
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1118310/discussions/0/2841165820073545987/

So it's like owning an empty box for toys, you can never fill? Given HOW those things it's supposed to RUN are acquired...

Again, let's be actually honest about these situations;

That software was giving keys that were not legitimately obtained that allowed games to work, thus, illegal for the most part. Even if the Dev ended up getting it grey-area "cleared" legally, and despite their own claims, part of its primary purpose was to ship something included which they did not legally possess or have the right to possess and merely were adopting and allowing transmission of it, which was acquired through a team that required illegitimate methods & tempering to obtain.

As a business, that is what's called "business suicide" to let someone put on your store, even for "free", due to the content within the software which realistically they had no legal right having in it or otherwise is still a legal grey area which Nintendo could realistically come down on them for at any moment if they want to as another mentioned; it was a trade secret and intended to be for security to prevent illegitimate playing of games.

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Animus původně napsal:

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Very early emulators like NES and SNES don't even need a BIOS.

Nope, just a flash dump. But PS1+ era do. I have a hard drive that's basically my entire physical library backed up onto it. Lol

There is no flash on a NES. No firmware in the console and mask ROM in the cartridge.