Adding Emulators

[TheRedfields1998]

My idea for adding emulators, is having most of the games on there and you can sell the emulator for 29.99, and as time goes by keep updating it with brand new games, and you can have them with built in cheats and some mods

[Start_Running]

Those who make emulators can already do that.
Assuming their software doesn't make use of trademarked, patented, or copyrighted tech.
I mean retroarch is already on steam.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by TheRedfields1998:

My idea for adding emulators, is having most of the games on there and you can sell the emulator for 29.99, and as time goes by keep updating it with brand new games, and you can have them with built in cheats and some mods

Valve nor any Software Developer that makes such a thing is going to include games that they do not have the rights to as part of such Software.

They're especially not going to include "brand new games", again, especially if they do not own the rights to those games and did not otherwise make those games & allow their use to be included with such software.

[Volfogg]

This would be a copyright nightmare. I already have no idea how they got away with this RetroArch thing.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Volfogg:

This would be a copyright nightmare. I already have no idea how they got away with this RetroArch thing.

By not providing what some may need and especially not things that tend to be required to make such things operable.

It's all covered nicely in their Rules thread;
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1118310/discussions/0/2841165820073545987/

[xBCxRangers]

Emulators are awesome. At least PCX2. And you play your real PS2 discs on that. Unfortunately, my PC can't run it very well.

But why Sony doesn't come out with the same thing, is a head scratcher.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by TheRedfields1998:

My idea for adding emulators, is having most of the games on there

That would be highly illegal and against the law. You cannot offer licensed games that you do not own.

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Valve is on the side of corporations, even when they are in the wrong. When Dolphin tried to work their way onto Steam, Valve immediately cowered, contacted Nintendo, asked them if they were okay with it (even though they have no say or jurisdiction on the matter), and Nintendo told them that there were going to be problems if Dolphin was allowed on.

Expect nothing of this in the future.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Valve is on the side of corporations, even when they are in the wrong. When Dolphin tried to work their way onto Steam, Valve immediately cowered, contacted Nintendo, asked them if they were okay with it (even though they have no say or jurisdiction on the matter), and Nintendo told them that there were going to be problems if Dolphin was allowed on.

Expect nothing of this in the future.

What did Dolphin have specifically that was against the law? The answer is the difference between a product that can be available on Steam and one that can't.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Valve is on the side of corporations, even when they are in the wrong. When Dolphin tried to work their way onto Steam, Valve immediately cowered, contacted Nintendo, asked them if they were okay with it (even though they have no say or jurisdiction on the matter), and Nintendo told them that there were going to be problems if Dolphin was allowed on.

Expect nothing of this in the future.

Partially misleading, companies may reach out to another when someone advertises things that may be legally questionable and thus may put them into a position of legal liability or a "Grey area" if they allow such, and thus may decide the safest route ie not letting a product move forward if it would be a grey or contestable area especially from a company well known to be sue-happy.

The main issue was how something was "obtained" and the fact it was included to circumvent forms of security, which is a big pile of "don't want to be involved" for a company like Valve.

I suggest reading the entire thing;
https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2023/07/20/what-happened-to-dolphin-on-steam/

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Valve is on the side of corporations, even when they are in the wrong. When Dolphin tried to work their way onto Steam, Valve immediately cowered, contacted Nintendo, asked them if they were okay with it (even though they have no say or jurisdiction on the matter), and Nintendo told them that there were going to be problems if Dolphin was allowed on.

Expect nothing of this in the future.

Except facts such as this prove you wrong - https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118310/RetroArch/

Dolphin emulation relied on an encryption key that they took without authorization from a wii console. Valve upon fearing being dragged into a lawsuit contacted Nintendo who confirmed that if it did release on Valve's platform they would promptly file a DMCA takedown which would force Valve to remove it.

Since Valve knew if it released it would immediately be forced to be taken down they contacted Dolphin and told them it would be fine to release it as long as Dolphin worked out the legal issues with Nintendo and came to an agreement. Dolphin knew there was no way to come to an agreement with Nintendo so they stopped trying to publish it to steam.

if an emulator doesn't use stolen assets its allowed like Retroarch

[no154370]

might as well install dosbox if you want to play 1990s and early 2000s games on your computer

These games are freeware

[Aachen]

Originally posted by no154370:

…. These games are freeware

Nah, there’s quite a lot of software from that time that isn’t legitimately offered free-of-charge.

[Volfogg]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Volfogg:

This would be a copyright nightmare. I already have no idea how they got away with this RetroArch thing.

By not providing what some may need and especially not things that tend to be required to make such things operable.

It's all covered nicely in their Rules thread;
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1118310/discussions/0/2841165820073545987/

So it's like owning an empty box for toys, you can never fill? Given HOW those things it's supposed to RUN are acquired...

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by MrNewell123:

Emulators are awesome. At least PCX2. And you play your real PS2 discs on that. Unfortunately, my PC can't run it very well.

But why Sony doesn't come out with the same thing, is a head scratcher.

Because they'd make more money selling you rereleases of the same game, ore virtual console versions of the same game. Duh.

[xBCxRangers]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by MrNewell123:

Emulators are awesome. At least PCX2. And you play your real PS2 discs on that. Unfortunately, my PC can't run it very well.

But why Sony doesn't come out with the same thing, is a head scratcher.

Because they'd make more money selling you rereleases of the same game, ore virtual console versions of the same game. Duh.

And yet, they don't. I wish they did.