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i used some hard words against valve and the goverment. so thats partly my fault to make a wrong impression. (the hard words against the goverment are still meant as said though)
i just wanted to try to make this suggestion. i understand that this is for the minority of the minority, but if nobody makes this suggestion, nothing will ever change.
what can be argued about is maybe my view of the amount of work i might take to implement this solution. as is said, i am a software developer by myself, and i cant immagine this is a big thing. on the other hand, i dont know how complex steam or its system behind is build.
I remember some people stating they are nothing but respectful to other users here. I guess it was just my imagination.
Nop one is obligated to be in favour of your idea.
Secondly. As said. there is already a solution that is apparently working well for Valve and apparently the majority of german gamers. That the solution doesn't Suit YOU and a few others specifically is basically just one of those tough luck scenarios.
Businesses are numbers games. And if the amount expected in doesn't offer an acceptable ROI of the prohjected costs... then it ain't happening.
Such is like. SOmetimes you are the minority that's not worth anyone's time or consideration.
Well. See,. Just like how you have a solution available that is nolt worth the cost, twhat you suggest is tthe same to Valve.
I mean as said. CLearly the actual revenue numbers Valve has had to look over paint an entirely different picture.
Making a suggestion isn't going to accomplish anything. Valve commented on the issue a while back, they are aware of it, and its not like they aren't doing anything because no one has asked.
Its a question of complexity vs cost vs resources. If they use a clearinghouse that ALREADY integrates its relatively simple, but the most costly solution over the long term versus doing it in house which would be much more complex, but cheaper in the short term. Then there is also the oppurtunity cost as they have a finite amount of staff, so that means to implement this something else planned has to be replaced and that something else most likely benefits far more users.
it's a crappy situation but its one Germany created
Not selling them there.
Or they're having a bad case of Valve Time in developing the solution. But considering how Valve loves one-size-fits-all solutions it's probably the former.
Sure it sucks when the solution a business finds to your problem is to simply drop you as a customer
all i tried was to make a suggestion here to give valve a heads up, that there are people that are unhappy with this and that there could be a alternative solution...
and here i get lectured how companys work from a bunch of bystanders that are absolutly not affected by the issue and the solution... I know how company make decisions, thank you.
steam is the biggest gaming platform on the planet and sits on a giant pile of cash, and i cant immagine that this is such a big of a deal to find a sollution that works for valve, the game devs and the customers.
and i know that valve can do what they pleases and continue the way it is, but i am not a guy who stays silent if i come accross a issue and try everything to get a sollution. and that involves to make a suggestion on a sugguestion forum. if it gets decliened by valve (not you here), i'm fine and draw my conclusions.
i really whish you guys that your goverment will never come up with a simialar law, and that you find some empathy for others.
if you want to continue explaning how the world works, feel free, but i am goin to ignore this thread. have a good day everyone
you play a lot of
"if"
games
how come?
They're also asking the same billing information everywhere regardless of what regions consider enough to identify a customer.
It's not like they reserve the sledgehammer solution for the small markets either.
* The document indicates they are old enough
* The document looks real
* They look like the document owner.
As an example of an approved system from the KJM website:
This is obviously far from trivial to implement. Valve would only ever do it if one of these apps were cheap enough that the amount of extra they'd expect to get from the German customers would well and truly exceed the yearly fees. Implementing this internally would be hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of development that still needs approval from KJM.
Personally I'd push for German retailers to handle this segment via Steam keys it'd be so much cheaper, the retailer would just sight the ID before selling the Steam key it wouldn't cost Valve anything and German retailers could do this right now if they wanted..
then why does it work for amazon to enable 18+ contend on prime tv, that you can simply put in your id number from the id card without any photo or whatever? other websites i have done this with a simple pictures from you id with most parts of the id coverd. google for anisearch. its a common anime database website and lock for a 18+ anime, there you get a notification that you can do the age verification and a link for the webpage. all instructions are also in english.
taking the userbase of steam in account, the way amazon implemented this, might be better for valve and more secure.
about prossible costs, they could charge the user for this, and this yoti this sound awfull over complicated, post-ident is far more simple. someone send a request and what info they want confirmed, you get send a mail with the form, go to a post office, get comfirmed that its realy you, pay the fee, the reqestor gets his confirmation, done. this is also valid as age verification. this is a example of the cheapest way to do this.
your idea to go for retailers, is what i use at the moment to get those games, or i get them from the developer direct, but this does not work with every indy game developer, the minority of them works with retailers or sell key directly.
all things to this topic are said here or in other threads about it.
the implementation of an age verification should not be a big of an problem,there are already solution out ther. the potential costs could be charged from the user who wants to get verified.
and since this issue affects indi games if they dont fill out the self assesment, this would be helpfull for customers and developers, and is very likely to pay out for valve over the time.
at this point, valve is just stubborn and/or lazy.
Everything I can see on the KJM website indicates such would be insufficient as age verification.
Anisearch doesn't look like it has any special age verification for Germans, it's the same 18+ verification for everyone (and would be insufficient but unless someone complained unlikely the government would do anything about it).
I can't find anything about how Amazon's works in detail, it doesn't appear to match any of the approved methods. I would assume they like a lot of US companies haven't bothered to familiarise themselves fully with the German law and just aren't following it properly.
there are many articels to read how the amazon age verification works. of couse this is a age verification special for germany, they asking for the id numbers from the german id card or the drivers license.
and if these sites would not be according to the to requirement of the KJM, the sites would have been blocked like dlsite for exaple. they dont have any age verification, and because of this, they where foced to block all users from germany
https://www.fsm.de/en/online-youth-protection/technical-child-protection/
Prime Video is not mentioned as being compliant with Age Verification. It is mentioned earlier on the page as being compliant with the much less stringent "Youth protection programmes" which is more about having parental controls available and able to be used.
Every page I can find indicates Age Verification requires proving not just that a given ID is allowed to consume the content but that the person consuming the content is the owner of that ID. Which as I've said the information I have (mostly from you) is a level of identification Amazon doesn't do.