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fakenzz 26 MAR 2024 a las 4:22 p. m.
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Steam's Polish suggested regional pricing
Hello.

Are there plans for Steam to update localized pricing suggestions anytime soon?

I remember that Steam did it last year and its outdated and hurtful. I assume most developers use Steam's region pricesheet suggestion without making any major changes because pricing in PLN is currently abysmal for most games and hurting Polish customers.

Please look at this: https://steamdb.info/app/2054970/ or https://steamdb.info/app/2420110/ and set your currency to PLN to see what Im talking about.

TLDR screenshot of Dragon Dogma 2 prices: https://i.imgur.com/G49QFaE.png

This is just example from two AAA games released this month. There are tons of other examples with releases 2022< and even more extreme ones.

Why Polish customers have to pay more than initial price in USD not to mention Euro while we are in EU with similiar taxes?

Wasnt regional pricing suggestions supposed initially to help poorer countries?
Yet here we are in Poland paying more than most of the world like we were more rich than USA or wealthy EU countries..

Like I said earlier, I'm fully aware that it is publisher who is making the last call about pricing but most ignorant devs/publishers dont do research and currency conversion on their own and just depend on Steam's suggestions..

Anybody who made it this far reading that wall of text, especially if one's country is not affected, I really appreciate it


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EDIT 11.05.2024

WHAT CAN WE DO TLDR:

How to let Valve know about the inflated conversion rate?
- By returning games bought on Steam, citing overpricing relative to the rest of the world as the reason.
- Through Steam Technical Support: https://help.steampowered.com
- By contacting Steam's Twitter profile: https://twitter.com/Steam
- As a last resort, you can send cultured emails to Gabe Newell: https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/contact?contact-person=Gabe%20Newell

Credits: comment from https://lowcygier.pl/aktualnosci/ceny-gier-na-polskim-steamie-naleza-do-najwyzszych-na-swiecie-co-mozemy-z-tym-zrobic/
Última edición por fakenzz; 11 MAY 2024 a las 6:08 a. m.
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Ben Lubar 23 ENE a las 10:32 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por index:
Publicado originalmente por Simplex:
How did you calculate that? According to SteamDB it is exactly at valve's recommended price:
https://i.imgur.com/YlAezze.png

https://steamdb.info/sub/944899/
Please convert 30 usd to PLN, let me know what you come up with

Do they add tax on after the listed price in Poland?
MØRPHΞUZ 23 ENE a las 11:15 p. m. 
Im not gonna buy on Steam a single game which doesn't change price from suggested by steam. I prefer to buy on key markets if so, at least there are games more cheap
Última edición por MØRPHΞUZ; 23 ENE a las 11:51 p. m.
MØRPHΞUZ 23 ENE a las 11:16 p. m. 
Comparsion of unfair pricing - MiSide SteamDB: https://steamdb.info/app/2527500/
fakenzz 23 ENE a las 11:48 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por D☯M34KS:
Im not gonna but on Steam a single game which doesn't change price from suggested by steam. I prefer to buy on key markets if so, at least there are games more cheap

Yeah. One thing is Steam not bothering to change suggested pricing but other thing is dev/publisher not bothering to check currency exchange rates himself.

Thats why I have no remorse buying game like that not directly on Steam resulting in dev/publisher getting less revenue.
Crazy Tiger 23 ENE a las 11:50 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por fakenzz:
Publicado originalmente por D☯M34KS:
Im not gonna but on Steam a single game which doesn't change price from suggested by steam. I prefer to buy on key markets if so, at least there are games more cheap

Yeah. One thing is Steam not bothering to change suggested pricing but other thing is dev/publisher not bothering to check currency exchange rates himself.

Thats why I have no remorse buying game like that not directly on Steam resulting in dev/publisher getting less revenue.
Yoi shouldn't have remorse dking that any way.

I mean, I get my games mostly from sellers via isthereanydeal. Why pay more on Steam if not needed. Goes for any currency, mind.
Última edición por Crazy Tiger; 23 ENE a las 11:50 p. m.
fakenzz 24 ENE a las 12:03 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Publicado originalmente por fakenzz:

Yeah. One thing is Steam not bothering to change suggested pricing but other thing is dev/publisher not bothering to check currency exchange rates himself.

Thats why I have no remorse buying game like that not directly on Steam resulting in dev/publisher getting less revenue.
Yoi shouldn't have remorse dking that any way.

I mean, I get my games mostly from sellers via isthereanydeal. Why pay more on Steam if not needed. Goes for any currency, mind.

If we are talking about official stores - sure. If we are talking about keyshops - this is debatable topic for years already, one thing is sure that you dont know exact method how key was obtained and you are possibly paying middleman for something that dev/publisher made little to no money on, which opens up possibility of having remorse as customer.

But lets go buy to main topic of this post: https://kursnasteam.pl/?lang=pl
If anybody wants to check this out or even help and dont speak Polish language you can change it to English on that site and learn more there.

Sadly not a lot has changed this past year and discussion died down a lot even in our own country, so im starting losing to hope.

As much as i love Steam and Valve this is really kick in the teeth especially when you take into account promise from 2022 that they will be adjusting suggested pricing in the future and its not just one time thing (which obviously would be stupid, we are talking about currency rates here which are constantly changing)
Crazy Tiger 24 ENE a las 12:09 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por fakenzz:
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Yoi shouldn't have remorse dking that any way.

I mean, I get my games mostly from sellers via isthereanydeal. Why pay more on Steam if not needed. Goes for any currency, mind.

If we are talking about official stores - sure. If we are talking about keyshops - this is debatable topic for years already, one thing is sure that you dont know exact method how key was obtained and you are possibly paying middleman for something that dev/publisher made little to no money on, which opens up possibility of having remorse as customer.

But lets go buy to main topic of this post: https://kursnasteam.pl/?lang=pl
If anybody wants to check this out or even help and dont speak Polish language you can change it to English on that site and learn more there.

Sadly not a lot has changed this past year and discussion died down a lot even in our own country, so im starting losing to hope.

As much as i love Steam and Valve this is really kick in the teeth especially when you take into account promise from 2022 that they will be adjusting suggested pricing in the future and its not just one time thing (which obviously would be stupid, we are talking about currency rates here which are constantly changing)
Isthereanydeal only lists shops and not grey markets.

I'm not tslking about grey markets, I'm talking about stores like Fanatical, Humble, GMG, Indiegala, etc.

Do keep in mind that if Valve adjusts the suggested lrices in 2033, they fulfilled the promise. After all, saying they do so in the future doesn't imply the timetable you want. 😉
Última edición por Crazy Tiger; 24 ENE a las 12:10 a. m.
index 24 ENE a las 12:36 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ben Lubar:
Publicado originalmente por index:
Please convert 30 usd to PLN, let me know what you come up with

Do they add tax on after the listed price in Poland?
Tax is always included in the price,

Subtotal 113,00zł
Tax 25,99zł was my own purchase of TXR,
Última edición por index; 24 ENE a las 12:37 a. m.
Simplex 24 ENE a las 8:40 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Do keep in mind that if Valve adjusts the suggested prices in 2033, they fulfilled the promise. After all, saying they do so in the future doesn't imply the timetable you want. 😉

Bad news, they actually broke their promise:

"We’re also committing to keeping this guide as valuable as it can be by establishing a more regular cadence to review prices. We’ll take a close look at these recommendations on an annual basis, and make adjustments accordingly. "

Source:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/3314110913449340511
Última edición por Simplex; 24 ENE a las 8:40 a. m.
Crazy Tiger 24 ENE a las 8:43 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Simplex:
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Do keep in mind that if Valve adjusts the suggested prices in 2033, they fulfilled the promise. After all, saying they do so in the future doesn't imply the timetable you want. 😉

Bad news, they actually broke their promise:

"We’re also committing to keeping this guide as valuable as it can be by establishing a more regular cadence to review prices. We’ll take a close look at these recommendations on an annual basis, and make adjustments accordingly. "

Source:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/3314110913449340511
How did they break it? Do you have evidence that they didn't do the annual check? Keep in mind that doing an annual check and not adjusting the prices fulfils the promise, as they said "adjust accordingly". Not adjusting can also be "accordingly".
Simplex 24 ENE a las 8:48 a. m. 
Stop making a fool of yourself. After over 2 years currency exchange rates shifted considerably for multiple currencies (because of world events such as war etc), no sane person denies it.
Norway, one of the richest countries in the world still has one of the lowest recommended prices among developed countries, while much, much poorer Poland has second highest prices in the world. Yeah, that does not require any adjustment, right?

You are Valve defending fanboy, it's embarrassing.

"Do you have evidence that they didn't do the annual check?"

Do you have evidence that they did do the annual check?
If they really did a check, then informing customers "we did a check, found no reasons to change antything" would cost them nothing. They didn't say it because they did not do a check. You know they did not, you can't really be dumb enough to genuinely believe they did that check twice and never found a single currency to update.
Última edición por Simplex; 24 ENE a las 8:51 a. m.
Crazy Tiger 24 ENE a las 8:53 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Simplex:
Stop making a fool of yourself. After over years currency exchange rates shifted considerably for multiple currencies, no sane person denies it.
Norway, one of the richest countries in the world has one of the lowest recommended prices among developed countries, while much, much poorer Poland has second highest prices in the world.

You are Valve defending fanboy, it's embarrassing.
Ah, I don't jump your bandwagon on everything, so I must be a "fanboy". Thanks for the kindergarten level by resorting to name-calling and insults. Do you always act like a toddler when people don't agree with you? Typical behaviour of bad faith people, btw.

What I said was correct, just like the other posts I made, no matter how much you want to cry about it.

But please, continue whining and not understanding that your market isn't as important as you want it to be.
Última edición por Crazy Tiger; 24 ENE a las 8:53 a. m.
Bomoo 24 ENE a las 10:45 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por fakenzz:
Wasnt regional pricing suggestions supposed initially to help poorer countries?

No, it's a measure to counter sales lost to theft. I.e. lowering the price to such a point that it becomes more attractive to buy a legal copy than it is to steal. "Helping poor countries" is the PR spin. A luxury entertainment hobby is not a charity. Nor is it consistent that software gets discounted to -90% because "charity" but the hardware you need to run said software costs the same if not more in "poorer countries." If you can afford the hardware, it follows you can afford the far less expensive software, even at full price.

It would be the equivalent of a physical shop chain lowering their prices to -90% in neighbourhoods with a high incidence of theft, under the logic that they're going to steal anyway so we might as well recover SOME revenue from this market even if we have to give the product away for pennies on the dollar, and force customers in markets with a low incidence of theft to pay more to make up the difference.
Simplex 24 ENE a las 10:51 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Publicado originalmente por Simplex:
Stop making a fool of yourself. After over years currency exchange rates shifted considerably for multiple currencies, no sane person denies it.
Norway, one of the richest countries in the world has one of the lowest recommended prices among developed countries, while much, much poorer Poland has second highest prices in the world.

You are Valve defending fanboy, it's embarrassing.
Ah, I don't jump your bandwagon on everything, so I must be a "fanboy". Thanks for the kindergarten level by resorting to name-calling and insults. Do you always act like a toddler when people don't agree with you? Typical behaviour of bad faith people, btw.

What I said was correct, just like the other posts I made, no matter how much you want to cry about it.

But please, continue whining and not understanding that your market isn't as important as you want it to be.
You are a perfect example of a Dunning-Kruger Effect - too dumb to realize your own stupidity. Never change.
Última edición por Simplex; 24 ENE a las 11:05 a. m.
index 24 ENE a las 10:52 a. m. 
This is not really helping update the regional pricing in Poland FYI
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