A solution to the bot crisis invading games new and old

[Dippy the Ghost!]

Hello, I have an idea that can solve a lot of Bot problems that have been ravaging a lot of your games like TF2, CSGO2, etc. as well as indie devs. I feel it could solve problems for majority of Steam, and doesn't even require updating the games individually.

Try to hear me out on the full thing;

I believe a great idea is to make it so GameDevs can opt in to have their games require a Captia from users to launch said game. That way it's not forced across all of Steam, and can help gamedevs who can't handle their security against bots. It can help old and new games alike.

Most bots can't even understand imagery they're looking at and Captias have proven to be effective for years. Some games have even started puting this into the main menu of their games, causing immediate positive outcomes when they do.

And also, incase there is bots that do understand imagery, you can use similar technology to what Glaze is using. It causes the information of the Captia images will be just complete mush to the AI, but will still be very clear and understandable to actual humans.

Bot creators will become forced to log into every single account manually, do the captia for them, and launch the games for them. This will be an extreme deterrent and cause a drastic drop in bots as a whole.

[76561197960287930]

I like. But see anything implemented beyond Captcha requires Valve to regularly monitor their implementation in the website or games for changing suspicious activity, so that if they notice an increase in bot traffic, they can investigate the issue and counter react promptly.

Valve is not about promptness, or even counter reacting, to cheat makers, bot account cyber criminals posting fake Steam giveaway urls in chat rooms or even fake bot account spamming reviews a.k.a suspicious activity.

[Dippy the Ghost!]

Escrito originalmente por 76561197960287930:

I like. But see anything implemented beyond Captcha requires Valve to regularly monitor their implementation in the website or games for changing suspicious activity, so that if they notice an increase in bot traffic, they can investigate the issue and counter react promptly.

Valve is not about promptness, or even counter reacting, to cheat makers, bot account cyber criminals posting fake Steam giveaway urls in chat rooms or even fake bot account spamming reviews a.k.a suspicious activity.

This is true, the biggest problem is sadly Valve's complacency and lack of transparency. They can afford more security and teams to monitor, but they sadly won't with their current stalemated workforce.

[76561199648916059]

Escrito originalmente por MonkehMaster:

no thanks :disapprove:

legit users should not be punished and require more nonsense to go through just to play their games, all over bot/cheater nonsense.

that being said, captcha's are a broken mess to deal with and would likely cause issues with people even being able to launch their games, just like we see people complaining about steams captcha bs.

the real solution to the issue is, steam needs to stop allowing users to run multiple accounts, then the issue would be drastically reduced, imho you only need a single account.

First I wanna say I do agree with all of this, captcha is a mess, steam could easily implement a verification system for accounts, so much more could be done to reduce the presence of bot accounts.

Now the other side of that is steam is actually using bot accounts to boost certain dynamics of the platform, which dynamics is hard to say but, without bot accounts users and steam would seem extremely low populated, imagine no filler on the forums , no fillers in games, and you start to get a the picture of those games that lack population to the point they make zero profit and have nobody playing them cause they can't queue a match.

This isn't just a steam issue , it's a gaming issue, epic used bots, blizzard uses bots, infact most boting was prefected on blizzards platform with Diablo and Warcraft bots, not to mention in the early 2004 world of Warcraft deployed a population of bots that out numbered actual users. Up and to including when they released classic wow, let it noted that at the release of classical wow blizzard shifted some 200 dedicated population bots over to a classic server and that was just one of several dozen servers at the time.

There is no real solution to remove the bots unless you want the games to die off faster, also keep in mind games that didn't deploy bots fail after a year or so with stagnant numbers and zero player enthusiasm

[76561197963519852]

Escrito originalmente por Majestically Awkward:

Escrito originalmente por MonkehMaster:

no thanks :disapprove:

legit users should not be punished and require more nonsense to go through just to play their games, all over bot/cheater nonsense.

that being said, captcha's are a broken mess to deal with and would likely cause issues with people even being able to launch their games, just like we see people complaining about steams captcha bs.

the real solution to the issue is, steam needs to stop allowing users to run multiple accounts, then the issue would be drastically reduced, imho you only need a single account.

First I wanna say I do agree with all of this, captcha is a mess, steam could easily implement a verification system for accounts, so much more could be done to reduce the presence of bot accounts.

Now the other side of that is steam is actually using bot accounts to boost certain dynamics of the platform, which dynamics is hard to say but, without bot accounts users and steam would seem extremely low populated, imagine no filler on the forums , no fillers in games, and you start to get a the picture of those games that lack population to the point they make zero profit and have nobody playing them cause they can't queue a match.

This isn't just a steam issue , it's a gaming issue, epic used bots, blizzard uses bots, infact most boting was prefected on blizzards platform with Diablo and Warcraft bots, not to mention in the early 2004 world of Warcraft deployed a population of bots that out numbered actual users. Up and to including when they released classic wow, let it noted that at the release of classical wow blizzard shifted some 200 dedicated population bots over to a classic server and that was just one of several dozen servers at the time.

There is no real solution to remove the bots unless you want the games to die off faster, also keep in mind games that didn't deploy bots fail after a year or so with stagnant numbers and zero player enthusiasm

Dead internet theory strikes again.

[Amaterasu]

Escrito originalmente por Majestically Awkward:

Escrito originalmente por MonkehMaster:

no thanks :disapprove:

legit users should not be punished and require more nonsense to go through just to play their games, all over bot/cheater nonsense.

that being said, captcha's are a broken mess to deal with and would likely cause issues with people even being able to launch their games, just like we see people complaining about steams captcha bs.

the real solution to the issue is, steam needs to stop allowing users to run multiple accounts, then the issue would be drastically reduced, imho you only need a single account.

First I wanna say I do agree with all of this, captcha is a mess, steam could easily implement a verification system for accounts, so much more could be done to reduce the presence of bot accounts.

Now the other side of that is steam is actually using bot accounts to boost certain dynamics of the platform, which dynamics is hard to say but, without bot accounts users and steam would seem extremely low populated, imagine no filler on the forums , no fillers in games, and you start to get a the picture of those games that lack population to the point they make zero profit and have nobody playing them cause they can't queue a match.

This isn't just a steam issue , it's a gaming issue, epic used bots, blizzard uses bots, infact most boting was prefected on blizzards platform with Diablo and Warcraft bots, not to mention in the early 2004 world of Warcraft deployed a population of bots that out numbered actual users. Up and to including when they released classic wow, let it noted that at the release of classical wow blizzard shifted some 200 dedicated population bots over to a classic server and that was just one of several dozen servers at the time.

There is no real solution to remove the bots unless you want the games to die off faster, also keep in mind games that didn't deploy bots fail after a year or so with stagnant numbers and zero player enthusiasm

Like I keep telling ya. If we're all bots, we'd be using the same cadence of speech and have roughly the same personality. Plus bots don't have aching backs. I can confirm that mine aches.