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Adding Pronouns and Gender Flags to Steam Profiles
Dear Steam Support,

I am writing to request the addition of pronouns and gender flag options to Steam profiles.

As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I believe it is important for players to be able to express their gender identity and pronouns on their profiles. This would allow for a more inclusive and welcoming gaming environment for all players.

Many other online platforms, including social media and gaming services, have already implemented similar features, and I believe Steam should follow suit. This would be a positive step towards creating a more inclusive and respectful community.

Thank you for your time and consideration.
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Автор сообщения: govnuck233
I understand the concern about maintaining neutrality in a diverse international market. However, adding pronouns and gender flags to profiles is not about taking a political stance; it’s about acknowledging and respecting the identities of all users.

Providing these options as a part of profile customization does not force any particular view but simply offers users the choice to express themselves if they wish. This optionality ensures that those who prefer not to use these features are not affected while providing an important tool for those who do.

Many global companies have found ways to be inclusive while respecting cultural differences, and Steam can certainly find a balanced approach. Enhancing user profiles with pronouns and gender flags can contribute to a more welcoming environment without alienating users who prefer not to engage with these options.

Valve has always been a leader in creating a community-focused platform, and taking steps to support all users, including those from the LGBTQ+ community, can only strengthen its reputation as an inclusive and forward-thinking company.
This is a gaming community, for gaming. Not social-political.

You're free to use sites/services that cater to things not offered here that you personally desire, there are plenty of sites for that. They do not have to cater to everything not primarily and solely related to video games.

Also there is no way for Valve to truly be "inclusive while respecting cultural differences" because many cultures are outright hostile to such things and see it as detrimental to their culture & society, so again, being neutral is better and letting people use sites/services for such things is better than being yet-another big company bending the knee for something unrelated to their business model which is to sell video games.

You can put whatever on your profile as is, else there are sites that cater to personal identifiers rather than a desired business & profit.
Автор сообщения: govnuck233
Автор сообщения: SlowMango
You literally can right now.

Your profile bio allows you to put your pronouns/gender/sexuality in it. You can upload art of LGBT flags and have them as a showcase on your profile.

You can literally do more expression than you could with a list selection.
While it's true that users can add pronouns, gender, and sexuality in their bios and showcase art related to LGBTQ+ identity, these methods are not as immediately visible or standardized as dedicated profile fields.
Which works weell when things are rather far from standardized.

Автор сообщения: govnuck233
Having specific options for pronouns and gender flags integrated into the profile settings would make these aspects of identity more visible and easily recognizable at a glance, without requiring other users to read through bios or interpret showcased artwork.
If they don't care enough to read they're not gonna notice anyway. Valve and many other game companies really don't care or even want to know your gender/sex. Nothing about that infor is important to tgheuir business and thusly isn;'t worth the headache and extra work.

Автор сообщения: govnuck233
This kind of visibility is important for fostering an inclusive environment where users can quickly understand and respect each other's identities.
This is the internet. No one who's been on it for more than a yeart takes any presented identity seriously.

Автор сообщения: govnuck233
Moreover, standardized fields for pronouns and gender help normalize these aspects of identity, promoting respect and understanding across the community. It also aligns Steam with best practices seen on other platforms that prioritize inclusivity.
The community has never really cared about such things. The irony is the gaming community has been for decades the most inclusive community aroubnd..

Kind of a catch 22.
Автор сообщения: Mad Scientist
Автор сообщения: govnuck233
I understand the concern about maintaining neutrality in a diverse international market. However, adding pronouns and gender flags to profiles is not about taking a political stance; it’s about acknowledging and respecting the identities of all users.

Providing these options as a part of profile customization does not force any particular view but simply offers users the choice to express themselves if they wish. This optionality ensures that those who prefer not to use these features are not affected while providing an important tool for those who do.

Many global companies have found ways to be inclusive while respecting cultural differences, and Steam can certainly find a balanced approach. Enhancing user profiles with pronouns and gender flags can contribute to a more welcoming environment without alienating users who prefer not to engage with these options.

Valve has always been a leader in creating a community-focused platform, and taking steps to support all users, including those from the LGBTQ+ community, can only strengthen its reputation as an inclusive and forward-thinking company.
This is a gaming community, for gaming. Not social-political.

You're free to use sites/services that cater to things not offered here that you personally desire, there are plenty of sites for that. They do not have to cater to everything not primarily and solely related to video games.

Also there is no way for Valve to truly be "inclusive while respecting cultural differences" because many cultures are outright hostile to such things and see it as detrimental to their culture & society, so again, being neutral is better and letting people use sites/services for such things is better than being yet-another big company bending the knee for something unrelated to their business model which is to sell video games.

You can put whatever on your profile as is, else there are sites that cater to personal identifiers rather than a desired business & profit.
It's true that some cultures may have different views on gender identity and expression. However, offering these features as optional ensures that users from different backgrounds can choose to engage with them or not. This approach respects individual preferences and cultural differences while promoting inclusivity.

Valve has a history of supporting diverse communities and fostering inclusive environments within games themselves. Extending this inclusivity to the platform features would be a natural progression, showing support for all users without enforcing any particular viewpoint.
Автор сообщения: govnuck233
The aim of suggesting dedicated pronoun and gender flag options is to provide an additional, standardized way for all users, including cisgender individuals, to express their identities. This feature wouldn't exclude anyone; instead, it would offer a more visible and accessible method for everyone to share their pronouns and gender, fostering a respectful environment for all.

Regarding the internal conflicts within the LGBTQ+ community, it's important to recognize that diversity of thought and experience exists in every group. The goal is not to create exclusivity but to offer tools that help everyone feel seen and respected. By allowing users to choose whether or not to display pronouns and gender flags, Steam can cater to the diverse preferences within its user base without imposing on anyone.

Ultimately, the goal is to enhance the overall user experience by promoting inclusivity and respect across the board. This benefits not just the LGBTQ+ community but everyone who values a supportive and welcoming gaming environment.

Oh come now:

You are aiming your suggestion at those damn CIS people hence the bait word inclusive, while not having your own inclusive commuity which also includes trans and bi or CIS.

The irony of "we can exclude whom we choose from our own community but you damned CIS have to approve all of us, recognise us, include us".
Отредактировано Nx Machina; 29 мая. 2024 г. в 9:33
Автор сообщения: govnuck233
It's true that some cultures may have different views on gender identity and expression. However, offering these features as optional ensures that users from different backgrounds can choose to engage with them or not. This approach respects individual preferences and cultural differences while promoting inclusivity.

Valve has a history of supporting diverse communities and fostering inclusive environments within games themselves. Extending this inclusivity to the platform features would be a natural progression, showing support for all users without enforcing any particular viewpoint.
Have you considered that people of many countries & cultures don't want their place of entertainment to become yet-another to do things that are unrelated to the primary purpose of the site/service?

These should not be offered especially when it has nothing to do with the business, it is not profitable, and you can already put whatever on your profile.

Also no, they just take their cut, they have not directly supported any political/social-political thing especially since I previously noted they allow Developers/Publishers to make or participate in events, it does not equate to endorsement. They know very well that remaining away from politics & social-political politics is the best way to remain profitable. Why should wealthy places keep doing what people ask, why dont the people be the own change they want or utilize other community spaces that literally exist for the niche thing they want?

All that matters is you're a customer, or not a customer. Hence why there's unlimited accounts and limited accounts.

Fill out your profile how you want, you can do that already. Not ever wealthy person or company has to adopt social-political trends.
Отредактировано Mad Scientist; 29 мая. 2024 г. в 9:32
Автор сообщения: Nx Machina
Автор сообщения: govnuck233
The aim of suggesting dedicated pronoun and gender flag options is to provide an additional, standardized way for all users, including cisgender individuals, to express their identities. This feature wouldn't exclude anyone; instead, it would offer a more visible and accessible method for everyone to share their pronouns and gender, fostering a respectful environment for all.

Regarding the internal conflicts within the LGBTQ+ community, it's important to recognize that diversity of thought and experience exists in every group. The goal is not to create exclusivity but to offer tools that help everyone feel seen and respected. By allowing users to choose whether or not to display pronouns and gender flags, Steam can cater to the diverse preferences within its user base without imposing on anyone.

Ultimately, the goal is to enhance the overall user experience by promoting inclusivity and respect across the board. This benefits not just the LGBTQ+ community but everyone who values a supportive and welcoming gaming environment.

Oh come now:

You aiming your suggestion at those damn CIS people hence the bait word inclusive, while not having an inclusive commuity which includes trans and bi or CIS.

The irony of "we can exclude whom we choose from our own community but you damned CIS have to approve all of us, recognise us, include us".
What's weird is the argument of having to 'dig through bios' or 'translate flag artwork' when you can literally make the pronouns/sexuality/gender the first thing in the bio. This would literally make it display without needing to expand it.

If someone was confused about what a flag meant, having it as a display option wouldn't change that. It would be the same picture as the artwork but smaller and not customizable.
Автор сообщения: Start_Running
Автор сообщения: govnuck233
While it's true that users can add pronouns, gender, and sexuality in their bios and showcase art related to LGBTQ+ identity, these methods are not as immediately visible or standardized as dedicated profile fields.
Which works weell when things are rather far from standardized.

Автор сообщения: govnuck233
Having specific options for pronouns and gender flags integrated into the profile settings would make these aspects of identity more visible and easily recognizable at a glance, without requiring other users to read through bios or interpret showcased artwork.
If they don't care enough to read they're not gonna notice anyway. Valve and many other game companies really don't care or even want to know your gender/sex. Nothing about that infor is important to tgheuir business and thusly isn;'t worth the headache and extra work.

Автор сообщения: govnuck233
This kind of visibility is important for fostering an inclusive environment where users can quickly understand and respect each other's identities.
This is the internet. No one who's been on it for more than a yeart takes any presented identity seriously.

Автор сообщения: govnuck233
Moreover, standardized fields for pronouns and gender help normalize these aspects of identity, promoting respect and understanding across the community. It also aligns Steam with best practices seen on other platforms that prioritize inclusivity.
The community has never really cared about such things. The irony is the gaming community has been for decades the most inclusive community aroubnd..

Kind of a catch 22.

While it’s true that some users might not read bios or notice showcased artwork, having standardized fields for pronouns and gender flags can make these aspects of identity more immediately visible. This isn't about forcing everyone to pay attention but about providing a tool for those who want their identity to be easily recognized. It’s about making the information accessible without requiring extra effort from others to find it.

You mentioned that Valve and other game companies may not prioritize users' gender or sex because it’s not directly relevant to their business. However, many companies have found that fostering an inclusive environment benefits their business by making their platform more welcoming to a broader audience. Inclusivity can lead to higher user satisfaction, loyalty, and engagement, all of which are beneficial for long-term business success.

While it's true that some parts of the internet can be dismissive of presented identities, it’s also true that online communities are diverse, and many users value and respect personal identity. Implementing these features shows that Steam values and respects its users' identities, setting a positive example for the community.

The gaming community has indeed been inclusive in many ways, providing a space for people from various backgrounds to connect over shared interests. However, there’s always room for improvement. Adding features that support the expression of gender identity and pronouns can enhance this inclusivity further, ensuring that all users feel seen and respected.
Автор сообщения: Nx Machina
Автор сообщения: govnuck233
The aim of suggesting dedicated pronoun and gender flag options is to provide an additional, standardized way for all users, including cisgender individuals, to express their identities. This feature wouldn't exclude anyone; instead, it would offer a more visible and accessible method for everyone to share their pronouns and gender, fostering a respectful environment for all.

Regarding the internal conflicts within the LGBTQ+ community, it's important to recognize that diversity of thought and experience exists in every group. The goal is not to create exclusivity but to offer tools that help everyone feel seen and respected. By allowing users to choose whether or not to display pronouns and gender flags, Steam can cater to the diverse preferences within its user base without imposing on anyone.

Ultimately, the goal is to enhance the overall user experience by promoting inclusivity and respect across the board. This benefits not just the LGBTQ+ community but everyone who values a supportive and welcoming gaming environment.

Oh come now:

You aiming your suggestion at those damn CIS people hence the bait word inclusive, while not having an inclusive commuity which includes trans and bi or CIS.

The irony of "we can exclude whom we choose from our own community but you damned CIS have to approve all of us, recognise us, include us".


now we are going a little off track

inclusive does not mean everybody is invited

hate is to be fought everywhere

irrational hate even more so

kkk is not invited to the party to freely express their hate

and the like

that being said

i do not like being called cis anything

if people have this in their vocab, good for them

leave me out of it, please

my gender is my business
Автор сообщения: TBS AlexDK
Yea no, it should not be added
agreed this is steam not reddit
Автор сообщения: Nx Machina
Автор сообщения: govnuck233
The aim of suggesting dedicated pronoun and gender flag options is to provide an additional, standardized way for all users, including cisgender individuals, to express their identities. This feature wouldn't exclude anyone; instead, it would offer a more visible and accessible method for everyone to share their pronouns and gender, fostering a respectful environment for all.

Regarding the internal conflicts within the LGBTQ+ community, it's important to recognize that diversity of thought and experience exists in every group. The goal is not to create exclusivity but to offer tools that help everyone feel seen and respected. By allowing users to choose whether or not to display pronouns and gender flags, Steam can cater to the diverse preferences within its user base without imposing on anyone.

Ultimately, the goal is to enhance the overall user experience by promoting inclusivity and respect across the board. This benefits not just the LGBTQ+ community but everyone who values a supportive and welcoming gaming environment.

Oh come now:

You are aiming your suggestion at those damn CIS people hence the bait word inclusive, while not having your own inclusive commuity which also includes trans and bi or CIS.

The irony of "we can exclude whom we choose from our own community but you damned CIS have to approve all of us, recognise us, include us".
It seems like you're suggesting that advocating for inclusivity towards cisgender individuals somehow excludes other members of the LGBTQ+ community. However, the goal of promoting inclusivity isn't about favoring one group over another. Instead, it's about creating a space where everyone feels respected and valued, regardless of their gender identity or sexual orientation.

Cisgender individuals are a part of the LGBTQ+ community too, and advocating for their inclusion doesn't diminish the importance of recognizing and supporting transgender, non-binary, and bisexual individuals. In fact, the two goals are complementary—they both aim to create a community where everyone's identity is respected and celebrated.

It's not about "excluding" anyone; it's about recognizing that everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, regardless of their identity. By promoting inclusivity towards all members of the LGBTQ+ community, we can create a stronger, more supportive community for everyone.
Автор сообщения: SlowMango
What's weird is the argument of having to 'dig through bios' or 'translate flag artwork' when you can literally make the pronouns/sexuality/gender the first thing in the bio. This would literally make it display without needing to expand it.

If someone was confused about what a flag meant, having it as a display option wouldn't change that. It would be the same picture as the artwork but smaller and not customizable.

Exactly but it is not about the options currently available.

Profile name with pronouns

Info on profile.

An avatar of a flag.

It is about pushing an agenda, the inclusive agenda or rather a selective agenda hence the in-fighting with the LGBTQAI+, the exclusion of trans, bi, CIS within that community.
Отредактировано Nx Machina; 29 мая. 2024 г. в 9:48
It's impossible for Valve to provide an exhaustive list of all genders and pronouns, so a thought experiment: What if they added this feature and the only options for pronouns were he/him and she/her, the only options for genders were male and female, and the only available pride flag was this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Heterosexual_flag_(black-white_stripes).svg

You wouldn't like that, right? Now keep in mind that making an official list of the allowed genders for Steam is going to cause that to happen to someone. Probably a great deal of someones. There are a billion accounts on Steam. Valve isn't going to add a billion genders to a dropdown menu. Valve isn't going to add every pride flag, or every set of pronouns. Heck, almost every pronoun is locked to the language it's used in and can't be translated.
Автор сообщения: KalCuey
inclusive does not mean everybody is invited

Oh, but it is otherwise you discrimate and the narrative and agenda of inclusion is no discrimination.
Отредактировано Nx Machina; 29 мая. 2024 г. в 9:43
Автор сообщения: Mad Scientist
Автор сообщения: govnuck233
It's true that some cultures may have different views on gender identity and expression. However, offering these features as optional ensures that users from different backgrounds can choose to engage with them or not. This approach respects individual preferences and cultural differences while promoting inclusivity.

Valve has a history of supporting diverse communities and fostering inclusive environments within games themselves. Extending this inclusivity to the platform features would be a natural progression, showing support for all users without enforcing any particular viewpoint.
Have you considered that people of many countries & cultures don't want their place of entertainment to become yet-another to do things that are unrelated to the primary purpose of the site/service?

These should not be offered especially when it has nothing to do with the business, it is not profitable, and you can already put whatever on your profile.

Also no, they just take their cut, they have not directly supported any political/social-political thing especially since I previously noted they allow Developers/Publishers to make or participate in events, it does not equate to endorsement. They know very well that remaining away from politics & social-political politics is the best way to remain profitable. Why should wealthy places keep doing what people ask, why dont the people be the own change they want or utilize other community spaces that literally exist for the niche thing they want?

All that matters is you're a customer, or not a customer. Hence why there's unlimited accounts and limited accounts.

Fill out your profile how you want, you can do that already. Not ever wealthy person or company has to adopt social-political trends.
It's understandable that individuals from various countries and cultures may prefer to keep entertainment platforms focused solely on their primary purpose. However, the suggestion to include pronouns and gender flags isn't about veering into unrelated territory; it's about enhancing the user experience and promoting inclusivity within the existing framework of the platform.

Offering these options on profiles would be entirely voluntary. Users who wish to express their gender identity can do so, while those who prefer not to engage with these features can simply opt out. This approach respects individual preferences while providing additional tools for those who wish to use them.

While it's true that companies often steer clear of overt political or social stances, offering options for gender identity doesn't necessarily equate to endorsing a specific ideology. Instead, it can be seen as a reflection of the platform's commitment to creating a welcoming environment for all users, regardless of their background or identity.

Ultimately, the decision to implement such features should be driven by user demand and feedback. If a significant portion of the user base expresses a desire for these options, it makes sense for the platform to consider implementing them to enhance user satisfaction and retention.

Steam already offers extensive profile customization options, and adding pronouns and gender flags would simply expand on this existing framework. Users are free to fill out their profiles in whatever way they see fit, and providing additional options doesn't restrict this freedom but rather enhances it.
Автор сообщения: Nx Machina
It is about pushing an agenda, the inclusive agenda or rather a selective agenda hence the in-fighting with the LGBTQA+, the exclusion of trans, bi, CIS within that community.

Humor me: what do you think the acronym you posted means?
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