Adding Pronouns and Gender Flags to Steam Profiles

[nz]

Dear Steam Support,

I am writing to request the addition of pronouns and gender flag options to Steam profiles.

As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I believe it is important for players to be able to express their gender identity and pronouns on their profiles. This would allow for a more inclusive and welcoming gaming environment for all players.

Many other online platforms, including social media and gaming services, have already implemented similar features, and I believe Steam should follow suit. This would be a positive step towards creating a more inclusive and respectful community.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

[Tanoomba]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

Mass-events with written statements show to the contrary.

They don't.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

towards the normal population.

Excuse me? "Normal"?

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

It's actually a rising trend in that group.

It's not.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

merely for disagreeing with the trend

Gee, what an interesting way to say "for being bigots who are against their very existence".

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

I don't believe anyone posting on the forums that isn't trolling has ever stated such.

Well, isn't that convenient? The hate speech doesn't actually count, because it's "just trolling"! Funny how so many "trolls" tend to share the same bigoted beliefs.

[peppermint hollows]

Tanoomba, be sure to check the original version of that post as quoted by Wayward a few comments up, before the worse parts were edited out of it.

[freemankrystina892]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tanoomba:

Diposting pertama kali oleh freemankrystina892:

I have been checking out OT forums, there's alot of that there. I saw someone got reported for hate speech but the trans got away with it. That's doesn't sound logic to me.

It's not logic at all. You're simply wrong.

I am out, Lie yourself if you must. I know the truth and it is for what it is.

[Start_Running]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wayward:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Start_Running:

Even if all that were true.. So what. If it's their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ identity, it's just as valid as any other.

And seriously there are many terms that abbreviate to SS m8,
Like Super Saiyan, Sunday School.

It is all true. Which means that these people don't really consider it their sexuality, because the entire thing is based on being hateful towards trans people.

People are allowed to have preferences, but trying to base an identity specifically on the fact that you don't find a particular group is not the right thing to do.

Tell that to just aboyut EVERY religious group out there that believes and in most cases celebrates that everyone who isn;'t them is due for deserved eternal torture.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wayward:

Especially when it's done with the intent to troll. The fact that it abbreviates to SS is not a coincidence in this case.

So you spoke to the person who invented the phrase and they confirm it?
Though even if it was true that only speaks to the start of something, it can become something else. Like the word ♥♥♥.

Diposting pertama kali oleh KalCuey:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Start_Running:

Even if all that were true.. So what. If it's their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ identity, it's just as valid as any other.

And seriously there are many terms that abbreviate to SS m8,
Like Super Saiyan, Sunday School.


You do realize anyone could just edit that articl to say it's not ,right?


My point was: If yuou're going to do one, you have toinclude the others, even if you don;t agree. That's "Inclusivity".

i do know that nobody ever asked if i was going to the ss meeting this week


or ever saw ss in any pamphlet or any other way to describe sunday school

I have.

Diposting pertama kali oleh KalCuey:

as for the all must be included

no

black people do not have to include kkk members

that is not discrimination

Kinda is.

To exclude someone of a particular group based on gender, ♥♥♥, ideology.

Diposting pertama kali oleh KalCuey:

that is fighting hate

Ironically history has taught that the best way to fight hate is through inclusion, Ie actually interacting positively with said haters. Emphasizing the similarities and common ground as opposed to the differences. Yeah itsb a slow process, takes generations, but it does actually work.

Exclusion creates camps, inclusion builds communities.

[Ben Lubar]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Start_Running:

Diposting pertama kali oleh KalCuey:

as for the all must be included

no

black people do not have to include kkk members

that is not discrimination

Kinda is.

To exclude someone of a particular group based on gender, ♥♥♥, ideology.

No, excluding a hate group that wants to kill you from your own group is not discrimination, unless you are using the definition of discrimination that means any choice anyone makes is discrimination, which is not the relevant definition here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

[Start_Running]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ben Lubar:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Start_Running:

You do realize anyone could just edit that articl to say it's not ,right?

If they did, the vandalism would be swiftly reverted.

That depends. I mean when you ask yourself 'How a Wiki article gets created' you see where the gap in that reasoning is.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ben Lubar:

When Wikipedia contains facts with three citations per sentence, they're really sure about it.

Verified Citations?
Again some how i don't think the guy who coined the phrase is directly listed as one of those citations, nor do I think said person authored the article

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ben Lubar:

If you're here to defend people who Wikipedia and the cited sources describe as Nazis, you're making a mistake.

Considering how liberally the word 'Nazi' gets applied ... yeah. Pardon me if it doesn't illicit a knee jerk 'Reeeeeeeee. Bad Double Un-Good!!" reaction.

[KalGimpa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh freemankrystina892:

Diposting pertama kali oleh KalCuey:

i do not know about super saiyan

i know what it is but do not know if they use that abbreviation

i do know that nobody ever asked if i was going to the ss meeting this week

or ever saw ss in any pamphlet or any other way to describe sunday school

as for the all must be included

no

black people do not have to include kkk members

that is not discrimination

that is fighting hate

same here

people do not have to play the games some want to play

we do not have to take the

"i am toaster. if you want yours you have to give me mine"

seriously

Same argument can be made when trans hating straight people. Hate goes both ways. I dont think it is right to claim hate or discrimination when the same group attempting to exclude straight people.

After all, we normals were here first.

i would agree, if i knew any trans people that hate "straight" ones because they are straight

i know ones that hate those that hate them

not like that ever works

[CrescentMouse]

Diposting pertama kali oleh govnuck233:

Dear Steam Support,

I am writing to request the addition of pronouns and gender flag options to Steam profiles.

As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I believe it is important for players to be able to express their gender identity and pronouns on their profiles. This would allow for a more inclusive and welcoming gaming environment for all players.

Many other online platforms, including social media and gaming services, have already implemented similar features, and I believe Steam should follow suit. This would be a positive step towards creating a more inclusive and respectful community.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

While I'm sure you mean well, I think a large amount of people would use these as a way to attack others based on whatever identity and pronouns they use.. thus causing the opposite effect. Whether it be LGBT members attacking those that are cis or the other way around.

[Tito Shivan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh CrescentMouse:

While I'm sure you mean well, I think a large amount of people would use these as a way to attack others based on whatever identity and pronouns they use..

And that's a problem for moderation to resolve.
Its' nothing that already doesn't happen with country flags.

[Mad Scientist]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wayward:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

It was edited for the reason I knew someone would inevitably intentionally take the word normal, make it personal and make an argument out of it which results in emotionally driven individuals trying to attack the individual rather than have good-faith discussion in a civil manner. This is also the issue with such groups, becoming hostile for any form of differing opinion;

What is your reason for opting to use the word normal, rather than heterosexual or straight, then?

Use them interchangeably as you want, I doubt it would change the bias towards the answer or the intention behind the question. Biological & psychological norms are a thing for reproduction & survival of a species.

Diposting pertama kali oleh peppermint hollows:

Personally I'd like to know what was meant by "targeting" the "vulnerable" and "children" in that original post.

Context points towards written documents of intention by such perpetrators. Linking to them would also be inappropriate for the forums, but I'm sure a DuckDuckGo search would give you some good results.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tanoomba:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

Mass-events with written statements show to the contrary.

They don't.

Literal written intentions by such individuals do show that it's contrary to your belief. It shouldn't be a thing, but it is an unfortunate norm on social media of such types and per events.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tanoomba:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

towards the normal population.

Excuse me? "Normal"?

As said with the other;

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wayward:

What is your reason for opting to use the word normal, rather than heterosexual or straight, then?

Use them interchangeably as you want, same things. I doubt "default" or "standard" or "factory settings" would be respectful for a species as it sounds too robotic.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tanoomba:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

It's actually a rising trend in that group.

It's not.

Literally is, children are easily influenced which is why extreme types try to influence them in school without informing parents of such intention to bring up such in a classroom. I have seen parents and teachers adopt this like a social prada bag, so they can claim their own/their students are such a thing to look more progressive in their political circles.

Also having been directly involved in educational doctorates in regard to such subjects; it's very much a trend, and they mostly care about the grant money from making new programs that have the most current version, just like the flags; it's all about money.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tanoomba:

Gee, what an interesting way to say "for being bigots who are against their very existence".

Well, isn't that convenient? The hate speech doesn't actually count, because it's "just trolling"! Funny how so many "trolls" tend to share the same bigoted beliefs.

Calling everyone a "troll" or "bigot" for differing opinions or perceiving others opinions being different frequently in threads is generally also something that severely damages this sort of movement, and often will display an indefensible position.

The dangerous part is when one side says all opposition is;

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tanoomba:

bigots who are against their very existence

which has been the line ingrained in such individuals which tends to create such mass-events.

Diposting pertama kali oleh peppermint hollows:

Tanoomba, be sure to check the original version of that post as quoted by Wayward a few comments up, before the worse parts were edited out of it.

They are welcome to look at it, but it seems clear a few are getting needlessly personal over mere perception of disagreement.

Some also forget that this month companies may appear to have somes beliefs with flags on social media, but the social media accounts for other countries/cultures often do not display the same things because it's not trendy or profitable there, so it all comes back down to money, not so much actual belief; if they believed in it, then all of the accounts including for overseas/arabic areas would use the same.

Op and others have basically politely agreed to disagree or pointed out the option exists to decorate ones own profile as-is or write whatever on the profile as-is. The middle ground is already there. Some are taking it too personally for mere disagreement.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Start_Running:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ben Lubar:

If you're here to defend people who Wikipedia and the cited sources describe as Nazis, you're making a mistake.

Considering how liberally the word 'Nazi' gets applied ... yeah. Pardon me if it doesn't illicit a knee jerk 'Reeeeeeeee. Bad Double Un-Good!!" reaction.

I find when people throw that word around it's usually just as per the norm an attempt from such to try discrediting the opponent as "evil" or worse so people more emotionally driven are less likely to listen to them as they likely would win in a debate. Needless to say, wiki itself is often a terrible source of information, which is why most colleges would fail your assignment if you tried using it as a "source" as colleges declared it not a valid source of information.

The fact that the first to claim can be protected against "vandalism" is also "very telling" as to the immense bias as I have seen bad information be protected from factual corrections and even statements from the original sources that are contrary to what the wiki article pushes. Kind of like sites that stop allowing you to see how many people dislike something when its hated by audiences & the amount that dislike it, only allowing the "critics" reviews to remain up; all about control of self-declared information rather than being honest with people, because if people were to be shown honest information they'd likely start questioning any movement/information then turn on the narrative/party especially when a party emotionally throws out accusations of "nazi".

[mldb88]

Diposting pertama kali oleh CrescentMouse:

Diposting pertama kali oleh govnuck233:

Dear Steam Support,

I am writing to request the addition of pronouns and gender flag options to Steam profiles.

As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I believe it is important for players to be able to express their gender identity and pronouns on their profiles. This would allow for a more inclusive and welcoming gaming environment for all players.

Many other online platforms, including social media and gaming services, have already implemented similar features, and I believe Steam should follow suit. This would be a positive step towards creating a more inclusive and respectful community.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

While I'm sure you mean well, I think a large amount of people would use these as a way to attack others based on whatever identity and pronouns they use.. thus causing the opposite effect. Whether it be LGBT members attacking those that are cis or the other way around.

Yup, hell just skimming through this thread speaks volumes to your point. Intentional incendiary posts, focusing on ad homenims and generalizing, bad faith arguments, outright hate speech, and im not talking just one side or the other here the whole threads has just become one giant mess.

People already use profile information to make attacks (a while back before privating my profile someone tried to call me a trans weeb anime lover as an insult because my profile at the time was set up with badges and wallpapers from Long Live the Queen, great ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game btw, and I just had a good laugh bc I’m like…. The cis-est cis male you can find, big hairy Italian dude lol). On top of being impractical outside of using a freeform text box, it’ll just give people more ammo. As has been said, just use the freeform text boxes that already exist if you want to make it known what your gender identity is. It’s probably safe to assume most people on steam won’t really care what your identity is and treat you more based on how you act.

Knowing how discussions usually go on here, all it will do is either give people another reason to attack someone personally, or people will use the “gender” card when someone calls them out of bad behavior.

Side note, love the profile pic.

[peppermint hollows]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

Context points towards written documents of intention by such perpetrators. Linking to them would also be inappropriate for the forums, but I'm sure a DuckDuckGo search would give you some good results.

Really? Why would it be inappropriate for the forums? It's relevant to the current conversation.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

Literally is, children are easily influenced which is why extreme types try to influence them in school without informing parents of such intention to bring up such in a classroom.

Can you elaborate on that? Not really sure what you mean by this.

[CrescentMouse]

Diposting pertama kali oleh mldb88:

Diposting pertama kali oleh CrescentMouse:

While I'm sure you mean well, I think a large amount of people would use these as a way to attack others based on whatever identity and pronouns they use.. thus causing the opposite effect. Whether it be LGBT members attacking those that are cis or the other way around.

Yup, hell just skimming through this thread speaks volumes to your point. Intentional incendiary posts, focusing on ad homenims and generalizing, bad faith arguments, outright hate speech, and im not talking just one side or the other here the whole threads has just become one giant mess.

People already use profile information to make attacks (a while back before privating my profile someone tried to call me a trans weeb anime lover as an insult because my profile at the time was set up with badges and wallpapers from Long Live the Queen, great ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game btw, and I just had a good laugh bc I’m like…. The cis-est cis male you can find, big hairy Italian dude lol). On top of being impractical outside of using a freeform text box, it’ll just give people more ammo. As has been said, just use the freeform text boxes that already exist if you want to make it known what your gender identity is. It’s probably safe to assume most people on steam won’t really care what your identity is and treat you more based on how you act.

Knowing how discussions usually go on here, all it will do is either give people another reason to attack someone personally, or people will use the “gender” card when someone calls them out of bad behavior.

Side note, love the profile pic.

Thanks, and yeah it's been a problem forever. Making it so we can publicly have flags and pronouns will surely just lead to harassment, from both sides let's face it. Both ends have their extremists that ruin things.

[mldb88]

Diposting pertama kali oleh CrescentMouse:

Diposting pertama kali oleh mldb88:

Yup, hell just skimming through this thread speaks volumes to your point. Intentional incendiary posts, focusing on ad homenims and generalizing, bad faith arguments, outright hate speech, and im not talking just one side or the other here the whole threads has just become one giant mess.

People already use profile information to make attacks (a while back before privating my profile someone tried to call me a trans weeb anime lover as an insult because my profile at the time was set up with badges and wallpapers from Long Live the Queen, great ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game btw, and I just had a good laugh bc I’m like…. The cis-est cis male you can find, big hairy Italian dude lol). On top of being impractical outside of using a freeform text box, it’ll just give people more ammo. As has been said, just use the freeform text boxes that already exist if you want to make it known what your gender identity is. It’s probably safe to assume most people on steam won’t really care what your identity is and treat you more based on how you act.

Knowing how discussions usually go on here, all it will do is either give people another reason to attack someone personally, or people will use the “gender” card when someone calls them out of bad behavior.

Side note, love the profile pic.

Thanks, and yeah it's been a problem forever. Making it so we can publicly have flags and pronouns will surely just lead to harassment, from both sides let's face it. Both ends have their extremists that ruin things.

Yeeeep, and sadly those extremists tend to paint the rest of their group in a bad light because they’re either the most vocal or get the most attention with their crazy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[freemankrystina892]

Diposting pertama kali oleh mldb88:

Diposting pertama kali oleh CrescentMouse:

While I'm sure you mean well, I think a large amount of people would use these as a way to attack others based on whatever identity and pronouns they use.. thus causing the opposite effect. Whether it be LGBT members attacking those that are cis or the other way around.

Yup, hell just skimming through this thread speaks volumes to your point. Intentional incendiary posts, focusing on ad homenims and generalizing, bad faith arguments, outright hate speech, and im not talking just one side or the other here the whole threads has just become one giant mess.

People already use profile information to make attacks (a while back before privating my profile someone tried to call me a trans weeb anime lover as an insult because my profile at the time was set up with badges and wallpapers from Long Live the Queen, great ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game btw, and I just had a good laugh bc I’m like…. The cis-est cis male you can find, big hairy Italian dude lol). On top of being impractical outside of using a freeform text box, it’ll just give people more ammo. As has been said, just use the freeform text boxes that already exist if you want to make it known what your gender identity is. It’s probably safe to assume most people on steam won’t really care what your identity is and treat you more based on how you act.

Knowing how discussions usually go on here, all it will do is either give people another reason to attack someone personally, or people will use the “gender” card when someone calls them out of bad behavior.

Side note, love the profile pic.

Agreed, addition to that, trans love to use "hate speech" card and "discrimination" card..

What most dont realize is that it is hate speech when one call "cis" in referring to straight male. Unfortunately as we all know that steam supports trans/woke ideology. Which also doesn't resolve the underlying problem.

Hate speech goes both ways not one way street.