Ability to attach a message with friend request or send message without being friends

[KharnTheKhan]

Its annoying that people just ignore friend requests say if you want to play a game with them and they dont respond to discussion page or friend requests and no other way to contact them, Make it like facebook where you can send a message they can read said message and accept or decline communication request

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

I don't see this happening with all the hijackings and scams going around, not just on Steam but all sites with a PM/DM feature.

Twitch scam bots literally send me Whispers multiple times a day.

[KharnTheKhan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

I don't see this happening with all the hijackings and scams going around, not just on Steam but all sites with a PM/DM feature.

Twitch scam bots literally send me Whispers multiple times a day.

:winterbunny2023:

I dont really see that as an argument against, If people are too low iq to fall for scams thats on them. 90% of scams can be avoided by not clicking on links, Shouldnt punish others for the actions of a few. As it is right now communication on steam is barebones, Its hard to find people to play games with due to either people not checking notifications(which is most likely) or notifications disappearing, If we had more options for communication it would be nice

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KharnTheKhan:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

I don't see this happening with all the hijackings and scams going around, not just on Steam but all sites with a PM/DM feature.

Twitch scam bots literally send me Whispers multiple times a day.

I dont really see that as an argument against, If people are too low iq to fall for scams thats on them 90% of scams can be avoided by not clicking on links, Shouldnt punish others for the actions of a few

The amount of bots being able to immediately send their scam links to anyone and everyone without the caveat of being friends first will be a nightmare for the entire community.

[KharnTheKhan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KharnTheKhan:

I dont really see that as an argument against, If people are too low iq to fall for scams thats on them 90% of scams can be avoided by not clicking on links, Shouldnt punish others for the actions of a few

The amount of bots being able to immediately send their scam links to anyone and everyone without the caveat of being friends first will be a nightmare for the entire community.

:winterbunny2023:

You didnt read my entire post, I said it should be like facebook it sends you a communication alert and you can read the convo, before deciding to accept or decline, Its literally no different than sending a friend request just then the friend request can have a message attached

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KharnTheKhan:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

The amount of bots being able to immediately send their scam links to anyone and everyone without the caveat of being friends first will be a nightmare for the entire community.

You didnt read my entire post, I said it should be like facebook it sends you a communication alert and you can read the convo, before deciding to accept or decline

Which is exactly what I'm talking about. A way to immediately send malicious links to people without any caveats or prerequisites.

Geoups of malicious actors would love to spam the entire community with this crap, even if only a few thousand fall for the links, it spreads faster than wildfires.

[KharnTheKhan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KharnTheKhan:

You didnt read my entire post, I said it should be like facebook it sends you a communication alert and you can read the convo, before deciding to accept or decline

Which is exactly what I'm talking about. A way to immediately send malicious links to people without any caveats or prerequisites.

Geoups of malicious actors would love to spam the entire community with this crap, even if only a few thousand fall for the links, it spreads faster than wildfires.

:winterbunny2023:

Yes lets base all our actions on the possibility for them to be negative, Might as well let technology grind to a halt because iphones can be used to activate bombs. Love the boomer logic bro <3

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KharnTheKhan:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Which is exactly what I'm talking about. A way to immediately send malicious links to people without any caveats or prerequisites.

Geoups of malicious actors would love to spam the entire community with this crap, even if only a few thousand fall for the links, it spreads faster than wildfires.

Yes lets base all our actions on the possibility for them to be negative, Might as well let technology grind to a halt because iphones can be used to activate bombs. Love the boomer logic bro <3

You have to weigh both side of the scale. You can't just be focused on any small benefits it has and not consider the vast implications of it being a vector for mass scam spam.

And it's not the same as an accepted invite that leads to a scam link in a future message. You are literally trying to remove the 1 obstacle these malicious actors had at getting to directly send a message.

[Gwarsbane]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KharnTheKhan:

Its annoying that people just ignore friend requests say if you want to play a game with them and they dont respond to discussion page or friend requests and no other way to contact them, Make it like facebook where you can send a message they can read said message and accept or decline communication request

No thank you, I don't want to go back to the old system where you would get 20 to 1000+ messages a day (depending on how much you do publicly).

And your idea of a messages saying there is a message would just be annoying because people who do trading would still need to read all the spam to sort through all the messages to see if a real person contacted them.

And yes it was really bad way back then. I didn't do much trading back then in the public, and I was getting 20+ invites a day, people who did trading, were getting 1000+ invites a day.

The way things are right now, there is a very low chance for a bot controlled hijacked account to get to a point where they can send a link to someone.

With your "idea" (which has been suggested many times before already) would give the bots easy way to spam people.


So again no thank you.

[KamelittaOida]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gwarsbane:

The way things are right now, there is a very low chance for a bot controlled hijacked account to get to a point where they can send a link to someone.

With your "idea" (which has been suggested many times before already) would give the bots easy way to spam people.


So again no thank you.

I don't understand. What's the difference? As far as I know, currently, you cant disable the 'Add Friend' button.

Aren't you getting the same friend requests now?

Nvm, I think you are against receiving a chat message with the friend request. Then like I suggested today https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4334229587333996331/ :: [friends] add special 'friend request' message box :: Suggestions / Ideas

either make it a lightbox type of message (you have to open yourself, no link parsing) or put the text inside the request below the account name, let it auto-scroll horizontally or some other mechanic where a line or two can be displayed.

[Gwarsbane]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KamelittaOida:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gwarsbane:

The way things are right now, there is a very low chance for a bot controlled hijacked account to get to a point where they can send a link to someone.

With your "idea" (which has been suggested many times before already) would give the bots easy way to spam people.


So again no thank you.

I don't understand. What's the difference? As far as I know, currently, you cant disable the 'Add Friend' button.

Aren't you getting the same friend requests now?

Nvm, I think you are against receiving a chat message with the friend request. Then like I suggested today https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4334229587333996331/ :: [friends] add special 'friend request' message box :: Suggestions / Ideas

either make it a lightbox type of message (you have to open yourself, no link parsing) or put the text inside the request below the account name, let it auto-scroll horizontally or some other mechanic where a line or two can be displayed.

I hardly ever get spam invites from bot accounts now. Maybe one a month or every couple of months.

They don't bother sending out the invites just to spam links because it would take someone actually adding you to their friends list before the bot can spam them with a link. So they could send out 1000 invites and have a very low chance of being able to spam a link and it takes a long time because the bot then has to wait for people to actually add them.

With the OPs idea, with 1000 invites sent out, they could spam 1000 links as fast as the cool down system allows them.



And parsing the link doesn't mean anything we already know people will copy and paste text into a browser. So it doesn't matter if its an active link or not.


Again as I have covered many times, either way, you still won't know if the person is a bot thats trying to add you till you accept them and try talking to them.

Bots can be programmed to put in a random message (with or without spam to some website)
Bots can be programmed to use a pull down menu and randomly select a message.

All this will do is end up in lots of invite spam again. Not as much as before the 5 dollar minimum but still more then we get now.

[Satoru]

People seem to vastly underestimate how much spam they’re not getting due to various systems on Steam blocking it

[Shinoskay]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KharnTheKhan:

Its annoying that people just ignore friend requests say if you want to play a game with them and they dont respond to discussion page or friend requests and no other way to contact them, Make it like facebook where you can send a message they can read said message and accept or decline communication request

people often abuse the ability to attatch messages to friend requests.

the only place it really works is on linkedin, because most people on their are professional.

this feature would be abused.like it is on facebook where people send me racist comments or rude messages (like, recently, someone sent me an italian slur and a gif with a rude gesture as their message for me to 'decline or accept'.

[KamelittaOida]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Satoru:

People seem to vastly underestimate how much spam they’re not getting due to various systems on Steam blocking it

You already have private profiles on default. With an add friend button.

Receiving a friend request with a subject is just that. It will be an expensive hobby to troll or bully people with.
And well, you can always revert back a misplaced feature. My profiles and skins are all public. I've had muppets add me out of the blue. Many chinese folks too. I've always humored and had my fun with them. 90% of them chose to remove ME from their list. hilarious.

The way it's now it's basically whack-a-mole. Is it someone with a legit request or someone to scam you.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gwarsbane:

And parsing the link doesn't mean anything we already know people will copy and paste text into a browser. So it doesn't matter if its an active link or not.

make it not selectable. I dont see how this is an argument. People who will go out of their way to copypaste links will likely allow anyone into their friends list in the first place. So effectively it doesn't matter.

If they visit a URL via writing it down then at that point they want to get scammed and will learn their lesson the hard way.
You can get scammed by digital friends through a long con. Probably most prominent one is the Eve Online unique ship scam.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gwarsbane:

Again as I have covered many times, either way, you still won't know if the person is a bot thats trying to add you till you accept them and try talking to them.

but legit requests pertaining forum or whatever might go through with a request. Cause now in order to weed out requests you more likely auto-default to ignore requests.
With no subject you are guaranteed to not have any info.

if someone sends a request but then pivots 180°, now you know he's full of it.

.) Nothing will change for people like you who are determined to not add anyone to their lists.
.) People who accept BLIND requests with no subject, their experience won't change either.
.) Alas the normal people remain, will be able to decide for themselves if the invite is something they would be willing to entertain or not.

SMS, emails, all have subject lines through either the main menu or the slide down UI.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gwarsbane:

Bots can be programmed to put in a random message (with or without spam to some website)
Bots can be programmed to use a pull down menu and randomly select a message.

yes, bots can be made to do many things. You still have to pay to deploy a friend bot network on Steam.

Further, it might help ban accounts by outing themselves with harassment with one line only.

[KamelittaOida]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shinoskay:

this feature would be abused.like it is on facebook where people send me racist comments or rude messages (like, recently, someone sent me an italian slur and a gif with a rude gesture as their message for me to 'decline or accept'.

will be an expensive hobby, take solace in that.

[Ben Lubar]

There are already plenty of ways to contact someone before you add them as a friend. If none of those communication channels are open, maybe they simply don't want to communicate. That's not someone else's decision to make for them.