Can we protect the game data some how ?

[MAXE]

How about upgrading Vacnet so that only the steam client can read and write to the game data, both in the libraries as well as in the memory areas when the games are running?

that is, only the game clients will be able to read and write to the games installed on the computer and if some other sources try to read or write to the data which is not the steam client or the gaming client, then it should be dropped.

"If its not true = Drop it"

That is, you can also not delete the games without using the steam client for it, the entire delete, write and read function on the computer will be disabled in the steam libraries themselves so that only Steam and or games client can read, write or delete from there.

maybe put in some sort of random algorithm security key that change every 1 sec, so the cracker dont have a single chance to crack the game data at all with his memory reader ?

[Gwarsbane]

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

As a gamer i really dont care about privacy on my game pc, pc cafe´s would not care about it either as they only have games and browsers on their pc´s, Pc cafe´s could have other pc´s not a gamer pc for privacy stuff ..

As a gamer I do care about privacy on my gaming PC because its the only PC I have and I use it for everything. Programming, 3D rendering, photo editing, sound editing, video editing, watching movies and TV shows both online, off my hard drive and off of discs.

I do lots of other stuff on it too. But I did build it to be a gaming system. Once I can build a new system, this system will be made into a file server that I will use for most of the same stuff, but I will hardly game on it. The new system will be able to do all the stuff I do now just faster so its not going to just be a dedicated gaming machine.

Most people do not have a dedicated gaming machine. If you want and can afford that, great for you. It sounds like consoles are right up your ally... or at least they used to be, because all the latest consoles use PC parts and will make hacking and cheating on them so much easier, specially with Microsoft using a custom version of windows 10 for the xbox thats coming out, least thats what I have heard.

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

i personally use other sources for privacy stuff, wich is not even connected to the internet im playing from, i dont have any privacy files or stuff like that on my gamer pc, only game files and regular security files and the OS & system files.. thats it ..

Thats nice for you, most people don't. Their gaming PC is their everything else PC. You want an old style console that limited what you could put on them and didn't allow changes to the OS.... which is funny because they were still hacked and people still cheated.

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

If people really care about privacy, they backup their privacy stuff on a usb stick and keep it away from a pc wich is connected to the internet ..

BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I have over 10 TB of data for my system in various hot swap drives, a thumb drive will not handle that. I'm even looking to pick up another 6 to 8 TB of drive space because I'm running out.

Video editing takes up a lot of space. Storing my movies and CDs on my system for quick and easy access around the house takes up a lot of space.

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

Im talking about illegal stuff, like distribute stolen ♥♥♥ tapes, or pictures, underage and violence stuff ..

So i think we should have such system,

Which has nothing to do with Valve or PC gaming in general and is not possible to lock down as the system you are suggesting would be illegal in many countries around the world and if they tried to put it into place there would be riots.

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

I got another idea here if you dont like the first one

how about you should be able to switch between gamer pc or regular ??..
when in game mode your whole system will be restricted and locked down only for gameplay and any illegal mods, files and stuff like that wont be able to run on it ? anything allready running when trying to switch to game mode will be forced closed any browsers closed, any usb drives or other sources like phones bla bla bla wont be able to be plugged into the pc because all the ports will be disabled, if you pull the usb stick from the keyboard or mouse the system will switch back to regular mode again and close down any games instant ..

when in regular mode you can do what ever you want, you just cant connect to a game server and play games online ?

how about that solution ?

and again privacy ? what ? .. your internet service provider knows more about you than you do about yourself .. lol xD

Again...seeing as how you have not been paying attention... if the hacker has access to the physical machine you are not going to stop anything. As mentioned above, switch to regular mode, hack into the files or just download the cheats to alter them, change them, switch back to gaming mode and go cheat.

WHAT YOU WANT IS IMPOSSIBLE.


I have to agree with Gambit-3, you are a toll. That or you are such a zealot that you can't actually see whats wrong with your own suggestions and don't bother considering what others have said.

Valve will ignore your suggestion because not only is it way beyond what they will do, but its way beyond what they can legally do. Heck they got yelled at by everyone before when they tried to have VAC look around a bit deeper on a PC outside of the game itself. If I remember right, they even had law enforcement look into it, but they didn't do anything because Valve changed it so quickly. But that could have been something else. Pretty sure whats going on with that Riot game is going to get the interest of lawyers and a class action lawsuit is going to happen if they don't change things soon.


Either way I'm done here.

[Tito Shivan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

As a gamer i really dont care about privacy on my game pc

You should. You really should.

[MAXE]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Gwarsbane:

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

WHAT YOU WANT IS IMPOSSIBLE.

Valve will ignore your suggestion because not only is it way beyond what they will do, but its way beyond what they can legally do. Heck they got yelled at by everyone before when they tried to have VAC look around a bit deeper on a PC outside of the game itself. If I remember right, they even had law enforcement look into it, but they didn't do anything because Valve changed it so quickly. But that could have been something else. Pretty sure whats going on with that Riot game is going to get the interest of lawyers and a class action lawsuit is going to happen if they don't change things soon.


Either way I'm done here.

Well no its not impossible, computers only do what a computer is told to do !! ..

My suggestion is still a gamer mode and a regular mode to protect the data..

So if a hacker tries to inject cheat from regular mode to game mode, then game mode will shut it down right away!

Furthermore, nothing can be injected or started into the memory of the machine from any source while in game mode, all programs besides the game itself will be useless while the computer is in game mode and anything that tryes to read or write to the machine other than the game will be dropped and go to a ban list of attempts wich is sent to the Valve servers so it can be shared among the clients, that will prevent reverse engineerings.

I think it would be the best anticheat because if it can't run on the machine, it can't cheat on the machine ..

it will both protect the owner of the pc from abuse of his accounts, and it will give Valve a cheater free server experience for its users !

Its a win win situation for gamers who dont cheat and have nothing to hide !

Again this topic is for suggestions and idea´s .. and this is my idea bad or not that will be up to Valve to decide !

[Start_Running]

Still trying to figure what you think game data needs to be protected from. Or why you can't just set it up yourself if you're THAT paranoid.

[MAXE]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Start_Running:

Still trying to figure what you think game data needs to be protected from. Or why you can't just set it up yourself if you're THAT paranoid.

paranoid ? ..

you need to protect the game data so that crackers cant reverse engineer it to make the cheats !

[Start_Running]

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Start_Running:

Still trying to figure what you think game data needs to be protected from. Or why you can't just set it up yourself if you're THAT paranoid.

paranoid ? ..

you need to protect the game data so that crackers cant reverse engineer it to make the cheats !

Er...that won't do a think to stop crackers. It would however make modding a PITA..
There are already systems in place to catch hacks and cheats.
But hey if you think it will work. By all means set it up on your pC and tell us how it goes.

[JPMcMillen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Start_Running:

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

paranoid ? ..

you need to protect the game data so that crackers cant reverse engineer it to make the cheats !

Er...that won't do a think to stop crackers. It would however make modding a PITA..
There are already systems in place to catch hacks and cheats.
But hey if you think it will work. By all means set it up on your pC and tell us how it goes.

Games that support modding could still have a way to do that. But when you are talking about competitive online games, it's best if it's a level playing field for all involved. Making it all but impossible for those games to be modded at all would certainly help. Unfortunately, as previously discussed, that's a much bigger change than just Valve could pull off alone.

[Sleepy Yoshi]

So to stop cheaters in games I don't even play, you want me to;

a) give up any and all privacy
b) use systems that lock me out of fundamental PC processes
c) use a special bios that is not only incredibly invasive. but is forced to be used for my pc to function
d) Allow game companies to work with ISP's to terminate internet services

What a hefty price to pay, just to play a game.

[MAXE]

Diposting pertama kali oleh JPMcMillen:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Start_Running:

Er...that won't do a think to stop crackers. It would however make modding a PITA..
There are already systems in place to catch hacks and cheats.
But hey if you think it will work. By all means set it up on your pC and tell us how it goes.

Games that support modding could still have a way to do that. But when you are talking about competitive online games, it's best if it's a level playing field for all involved. Making it all but impossible for those games to be modded at all would certainly help. Unfortunately, as previously discussed, that's a much bigger change than just Valve could pull off alone.

But what if Valve could get in touch with the hardware company´s ?`.. i think they could manage it somehow together then on the competitive level ?

[MAXE]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Sleepy Yoshi:

So to stop cheaters in games I don't even play, you want me to;

a) give up any and all privacy
b) use systems that lock me out of fundamental PC processes
c) use a special bios that is not only incredibly invasive. but is forced to be used for my pc to function
d) Allow game companies to work with ISP's to terminate internet services

What a hefty price to pay, just to play a game.

Well then dont play it competitive ? .. in any other sport you cant even shoot a ball without it has been checked for cheating .. you cant even take a shot down the range before your guns has been inspected !

Same thing here i want ..

[JPMcMillen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

Diposting pertama kali oleh JPMcMillen:

Games that support modding could still have a way to do that. But when you are talking about competitive online games, it's best if it's a level playing field for all involved. Making it all but impossible for those games to be modded at all would certainly help. Unfortunately, as previously discussed, that's a much bigger change than just Valve could pull off alone.

But what if Valve could get in touch with the hardware company´s ?`.. i think they could manage it somehow together then on the competitive level ?

The thing is, even if they wanted to do this, it would take years for all the companies involved to work out how to get the OS and all the hardware to work with each other properly. It would be a massive and costly undertaking as there's no telling what kinds of new technology would need to be developed to make it insanely difficult and time consuming for anyone to hack a piece of software. Especially as it would need to be nearly impossible for anyone that did hack into some program to easily duplicate the process to work with other programs on their machine or the same program on other peoples machines.

But in the end, Valve still can't really do much about this. It's up to the developers of the various OS's and hardware to decided that this is a thing that needs to exist, and for them to figure out a way to make it happen. Valve asking nicely isn't going to see them rush to make it happen. Maybe someday in the far off future this will be a thing, but only when a larger portion of the computer industry (the non-gaming part) decides this needs to happen.

[MAXE]

Diposting pertama kali oleh JPMcMillen:

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

But what if Valve could get in touch with the hardware company´s ?`.. i think they could manage it somehow together then on the competitive level ?

The thing is, even if they wanted to do this, it would take years for all the companies involved to work out how to get the OS and all the hardware to work with each other properly. It would be a massive and costly undertaking as there's no telling what kinds of new technology would need to be developed to make it insanely difficult and time consuming for anyone to hack a piece of software. Especially as it would need to be nearly impossible for anyone that did hack into some program to easily duplicate the process to work with other programs on their machine or the same program on other peoples machines.

But in the end, Valve still can't really do much about this. It's up to the developers of the various OS's and hardware to decided that this is a thing that needs to exist, and for them to figure out a way to make it happen. Valve asking nicely isn't going to see them rush to make it happen. Maybe someday in the far off future this will be a thing, but only when a larger portion of the computer industry (the non-gaming part) decides this needs to happen.

all it needs is 1 single patch from OS developers and hardware developers .. 1 patch

[JPMcMillen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

Diposting pertama kali oleh JPMcMillen:

The thing is, even if they wanted to do this, it would take years for all the companies involved to work out how to get the OS and all the hardware to work with each other properly. It would be a massive and costly undertaking as there's no telling what kinds of new technology would need to be developed to make it insanely difficult and time consuming for anyone to hack a piece of software. Especially as it would need to be nearly impossible for anyone that did hack into some program to easily duplicate the process to work with other programs on their machine or the same program on other peoples machines.

But in the end, Valve still can't really do much about this. It's up to the developers of the various OS's and hardware to decided that this is a thing that needs to exist, and for them to figure out a way to make it happen. Valve asking nicely isn't going to see them rush to make it happen. Maybe someday in the far off future this will be a thing, but only when a larger portion of the computer industry (the non-gaming part) decides this needs to happen.

all it needs is 1 single patch from OS developers and hardware developers .. 1 patch

Both of which would be hacked within a few days. To make software installs truly secure from user meddling would require more than just a simple patch.

[Tito Shivan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

you need to protect the game data so that crackers cant reverse engineer it to make the cheats !

Play GeForce Now or Stadia. Removing the computer away from the player is the only way to avoid them tampering with it.

But this isn't a golden bullet either. There's still ways players can cheat their way from a remote-hosted game. As cheating still being a thing in server-hosted games proves.

In regard to curb cheating you also need to be careful you're not cutting your nose to spit your face in the process.

[Brian9824]

Diposting pertama kali oleh M-A-X-E™:

Diposting pertama kali oleh JPMcMillen:

The thing is, even if they wanted to do this, it would take years for all the companies involved to work out how to get the OS and all the hardware to work with each other properly. It would be a massive and costly undertaking as there's no telling what kinds of new technology would need to be developed to make it insanely difficult and time consuming for anyone to hack a piece of software. Especially as it would need to be nearly impossible for anyone that did hack into some program to easily duplicate the process to work with other programs on their machine or the same program on other peoples machines.

But in the end, Valve still can't really do much about this. It's up to the developers of the various OS's and hardware to decided that this is a thing that needs to exist, and for them to figure out a way to make it happen. Valve asking nicely isn't going to see them rush to make it happen. Maybe someday in the far off future this will be a thing, but only when a larger portion of the computer industry (the non-gaming part) decides this needs to happen.

all it needs is 1 single patch from OS developers and hardware developers .. 1 patch

It would take far more then a patch, and it what your describing would LITERALLY break tens of thousands of applications that require access.

You want companies to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to restrict people's ability to use their computer which violates the law in many countries'

You want people's privacy invaded with private companies searching thru your files

All to TRY to stop a few people cheating it a game, which wouldn't even successfully stop cheats from being developed....

I mean after all your idea of having 2 different modes would STILL let people hack files, modify the dll's, etc. Hell it wouldn't even do anything to stop all the cheats people do by decoding the net traffic as that occurs OUTSIDE the computer.