Can we protect the game data some how ?

[MAXE]

How about upgrading Vacnet so that only the steam client can read and write to the game data, both in the libraries as well as in the memory areas when the games are running?

that is, only the game clients will be able to read and write to the games installed on the computer and if some other sources try to read or write to the data which is not the steam client or the gaming client, then it should be dropped.

"If its not true = Drop it"

That is, you can also not delete the games without using the steam client for it, the entire delete, write and read function on the computer will be disabled in the steam libraries themselves so that only Steam and or games client can read, write or delete from there.

maybe put in some sort of random algorithm security key that change every 1 sec, so the cracker dont have a single chance to crack the game data at all with his memory reader ?

[MAXE]

Gwarsbane původně napsal:

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

well not if you live in korea

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/5im2n2/south_korea_officially_passed_a_law_that_makes/

I was right in that you don't live in the US... because you would know that there are many in the US that would NEVER stand for a law like that, it would be government interference. Just think of all the people right now that are in the US protesting against the stay at home rules that are in place... they are literally protesting to be able to get out there and not just get infected themselves, but to also be able to infect other people. They don't care if they die or not.

Do you really think they would put up with laws that would allow the government to cut off your internet connection if you got caught cheating on it...

Also there is such thing as wireless connections and IP spoofing and people use others connections without their knowing so you know lots of innocent people having their connections cut off. So ya thats more reason why this will never happen in the US. And if it doesn't happen there, its not really going happen anywhere else in large numbers to be effective.

SK is very e-sports crazy, that explains why they have that law, though I could have sworn it was challenged in court or was going though the court system.

while hacking itself isn’t necessarily illegal, the act of hacking is punishable when it’s attached to a more serious crime, or the potential to commit a more serious crime. If you’re hacking so as to break through copyright protection, or if you’re hacking into a system where private data is held and there isn’t an open invitation out there to see if you can do it, then you could be looking at serious consequences, and as with any misdemeanor or felony, an unsuccessful attempt can be punished just as easily as a successful attempt.

Same goes for hacking in games .. its a against the TOS, EULA and copyright protection to do it .. so yeah if Valve really wants to hunt down the cheaters, they could earn a HUGE pile of cash on it, not to mention the years of prison thous cheaters could get from it ..


ethical hacking is legal, you know "white hat" projects to help the developers to close holes & gaps that make it possible to cheat in the game or security holes that black hats can abuse..

like me, i try spot the cheats and tell about it ..

its the developers choice & job to listen and the react on it ..

I just say there is a HUGE problem atm when it comes to the question of cheaters in the games, not only in Valve´s, its allso in tencents and EA games, even activitions call of duty is swarmed with cheaters in their multiplayer games ..

So its a game company issue for sure ..

[Gwarsbane]

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

There is nothing illegal about hacking a single player game. (unless you’re hacking it to break the copyright protection on it in order to play it without a cd-key or something)

Hacking a multiplayer game on the other hand - depending on how you do it COULD be a crime but isn’t definitely a crime. If the hacking you’re doing only affects your end and doesn’t touch the server or the other clients connected to the server, you’re potentially violating your terms of service - but not likely committing a crime. If what you are doing revolves more around hacking the server that you’re playing on and not hacking the instance of the game running on your own computer - you’ve just stepped into a mess.

Will the company press charges? Not likely if you didn’t do actual damage - you’ll more likely be banned from the game. But if you messed things up while you were at it?

Expect an investigation to slowly lead back to you. Logs will likely be given to the FBI containing your connection information which, while it won’t lead right to your physical address, WILL lead them to your internet service provider who will lead them back to you even if behind a VPN ..

So thats allso the reason i think that we need the ISP on the table to help fight this cheating issue world wide !

HHAHAHAHHAHAHA you think the FBI is going to bother getting involved with "some one beat me in a game using cheating".... they literally have much more important things to do... like order lunch.

You do know that VPNs don't keep data logs (least the good ones don't) right? That unless you have someone sitting there right and they get a call while the person is still connected to the VPN to see someone cheating in real time they are not going to get caught.

Oh and you would need to have these laws in every single country around the world to actually stop cheaters.... because if one country doesn't have it and has VPN exit point... guess were all the cheaters are going to point their VPN to...

Oh and FBI is US only, they would only deal with cheaters in the US.... once they stopped laughing and ordering lunch.

You really have no idea how any of this is done and you are trying to spend 10s of thousands of dollars in man power and resources to stop little johnny from pwning you in a game.


Ok serious this time, I'm out for the night I need sleep it is after 2:30am. I can't wait to see what other funny stuff you post after this. Its really given me a good laugh cause its all stuff you have no actual clue about.


Goodnight.

[MAXE]

Gwarsbane původně napsal:

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

There is nothing illegal about hacking a single player game. (unless you’re hacking it to break the copyright protection on it in order to play it without a cd-key or something)

Hacking a multiplayer game on the other hand - depending on how you do it COULD be a crime but isn’t definitely a crime. If the hacking you’re doing only affects your end and doesn’t touch the server or the other clients connected to the server, you’re potentially violating your terms of service - but not likely committing a crime. If what you are doing revolves more around hacking the server that you’re playing on and not hacking the instance of the game running on your own computer - you’ve just stepped into a mess.

Will the company press charges? Not likely if you didn’t do actual damage - you’ll more likely be banned from the game. But if you messed things up while you were at it?

Expect an investigation to slowly lead back to you. Logs will likely be given to the FBI containing your connection information which, while it won’t lead right to your physical address, WILL lead them to your internet service provider who will lead them back to you even if behind a VPN ..

So thats allso the reason i think that we need the ISP on the table to help fight this cheating issue world wide !

HHAHAHAHHAHAHA you think the FBI is going to bother getting involved with "some one beat me in a game using cheating".... they literally have much more important things to do... like order lunch.

You do know that VPNs don't keep data logs (least the good ones don't) right? That unless you have someone sitting there right and they get a call while the person is still connected to the VPN to see someone cheating in real time they are not going to get caught.

You really have no idea how any of this is done and you are trying to spend 10s of thousands of dollars in man power and resources to stop little johnny from pwning you in a game.


Ok serious this time, I'm out for the night I need sleep it is after 2:30am. I can't wait to see what other funny stuff you post after this. Its really given me a good laugh cause its all stuff you have no actual clue about.


Goodnight.

All Vpn´s keep data logs, so the goverments allways have access to it if needed!

Even if you use TOR to hide your traces with, i can track you down anyways if i get the informations needed for it .. so yeah all VPN´s are forced by law to have some sort of log, maybe not for the public, but for the goverments, so illegal stuff like human trading, child abuse, illegal porn and stuff like that cant be hidden anymore, not even on the dark web !

[Gwarsbane]

Do some research before making a claim thats easily found in under 5 seconds...
https://www.google.ca/search?source=hp&q=vpns+that+don't+keep+logs

https://www.vpnmentor.com/blog/best-no-log-vpns/

[Tito Shivan]

Gwarsbane původně napsal:

If you can download stuff to it and run stuff on it, then it can and will be used for hacking.

The biggest hurdle Anti Cheat Software has to face on PC is they literally have to run and operate in enemy territory.

The user is in control of both the software and the hardware the ACS is trying to monitorise to detect tampering with the game. Some ACS try to solve it by operating at an elevated permissions level than even the system admin himself (Here come all the ACS operating at a Ring-0 level, which brings its own set of issues) But at the end of the day it's hard to detect if the person using the machine is cheating when the person using the machin can control what any given software within can or can't see.

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

All Vpn´s keep data logs, so the goverments allways have access to it if needed!

Have a fun time issuing orders for VPNs to disclose 'Little Tim' data in a bunch of countries with a plethora of different legal systems because 'They cheated in a game'

Who's going to pay for all those legal fees to stomp on a cheater?

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

Same goes for hacking in games .. its a against the TOS, EULA and copyright protection to do it .. so yeah if Valve really wants to hunt down the cheaters, they could earn a HUGE pile of cash on it, not to mention the years of prison thous cheaters could get from it ..

Copyright violation prosecution has been tried a couple times here and there to take down cheat makers. It has had a -at best- unreliable outcome, not always resulting in the expected outcome.

But again, like the previous point. This is already A LOT of nasty legal paperwork having to deal with international legal systems. Something which isn't really scalable to prosecute every John Doe using an Aimbot on CSGO.

Again, who's going to pay all those legal fees?

[Gambit-3k]

I can't believe OP is managing to troll like 10 people at once. Anyway, I would like a ring 0 anti-cheat from Valve, don't @ me.

[MAXE]

Gambit-3 původně napsal:

I can't believe OP is managing to troll like 10 people at once. Anyway, I would like a ring 0 anti-cheat from Valve, don't @ me.

I aint trolling, i really mean what i say .. and we have freedom of speech !

[Tito Shivan]

Gambit-3 původně napsal:

I can't believe OP is managing to troll like 10 people at once. Anyway, I would like a ring 0 anti-cheat from Valve, don't @ me.

Considering the ammount of complaints VAC got for even daring to peek at the DNS cache looking for matches to a cheat DRM server IP I don't even want to imagine how people would rise hell at VAC being a ring 0 process.

[eram]

Actually.. If you are able to check the files for the windows 10 version of outer worlds on pc via the windows store youll find that they have protected files in folders you can only view, you cant delete or modify them at all. Uninstalling removes the files but no edits are allowed.

Had to inject memory hacks to play the game in native ultrawide as at the time it was only partially supported.

[Brian9824]

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

Gwarsbane původně napsal:

Oh and just for the record, I'm not a cheat, I never have and never will... but I would NEVER let anything like this be on my system.

Going by what I have seen of Riots new system... there are some MAJOR issues with it like always running in the background even if you uninstall the game and slowing down other programs and games.

If a hacker ever cracks it in such a way that they can inject virus code into it, well just imagine the damage it could do if that code is ever included in stuff that people might be interested in and I'm not just talking cheats, it could be hidden as anything.

I know i know .. was allso the reason why i wanted a bios and lockdown of the pc systems so the regular consumers cant run or create illegal software, scripts and stuff like that themself !

its kinda like haveing a weapon law .. so if you dont have a legit permission to carry a firearm you wont be allowed to do it and if caught you will be punished ..

Same thing i want on the computers ! .. because then the regular consumer cannot create or run illegal codes, scripts and software ..

best anticheat, antihack, antivirus idea anno 2020 xD

you could even drag it so far, so it would protect movies and music from being able to play unless you pay for it first, that would protect the copyright and illegal share of files would stop aswell ..

even illegal pictures and porn could be stopped this way ..

What your describing would basically be illegal in the US for instance. It's not the best idea, its one of the worst ever. It's basically limiting your own PC and infringing on your rights.

For instance you have the right to rip copies of your own movies and games, your suggestion would make that illegal which breaks the law.

Your suggestion to block steam access would kill mods for every game in the world, kill steam workshop, kill your ability to make backups of your saves

Also it wouldn't do anything to stop illegal pictures, porn, etc. People are allowed by law to make their own movies and images and distribute them. Blocking that is illegal.

What your suggesting is something most of the world is STRONGLY against which is big business/government deciding what you are or aren't allowed to run on your PC and controlling what content you can access.

[Start_Running]

I'm trying to figure what this is suggestion is supposed to protect from.

[MAXE]

brian9824 původně napsal:

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

I know i know .. was allso the reason why i wanted a bios and lockdown of the pc systems so the regular consumers cant run or create illegal software, scripts and stuff like that themself !

its kinda like haveing a weapon law .. so if you dont have a legit permission to carry a firearm you wont be allowed to do it and if caught you will be punished ..

Same thing i want on the computers ! .. because then the regular consumer cannot create or run illegal codes, scripts and software ..

best anticheat, antihack, antivirus idea anno 2020 xD

you could even drag it so far, so it would protect movies and music from being able to play unless you pay for it first, that would protect the copyright and illegal share of files would stop aswell ..

even illegal pictures and porn could be stopped this way ..

What your describing would basically be illegal in the US for instance. It's not the best idea, its one of the worst ever. It's basically limiting your own PC and infringing on your rights.

For instance you have the right to rip copies of your own movies and games, your suggestion would make that illegal which breaks the law.

Your suggestion to block steam access would kill mods for every game in the world, kill steam workshop, kill your ability to make backups of your saves

Also it wouldn't do anything to stop illegal pictures, porn, etc. People are allowed by law to make their own movies and images and distribute them. Blocking that is illegal.

What your suggesting is something most of the world is STRONGLY against which is big business/government deciding what you are or aren't allowed to run on your PC and controlling what content you can access.

As a gamer i really dont care about privacy on my game pc, pc cafe´s would not care about it either as they only have games and browsers on their pc´s, Pc cafe´s could have other pc´s not a gamer pc for privacy stuff ..

i personally use other sources for privacy stuff, wich is not even connected to the internet im playing from, i dont have any privacy files or stuff like that on my gamer pc, only game files and regular security files and the OS & system files.. thats it ..

If people really care about privacy, they backup their privacy stuff on a usb stick and keep it away from a pc wich is connected to the internet ..

Im talking about illegal stuff, like distribute stolen sex tapes, or pictures, underage and violence stuff ..

So i think we should have such system,

I got another idea here if you dont like the first one

how about you should be able to switch between gamer pc or regular ??..
when in game mode your whole system will be restricted and locked down only for gameplay and any illegal mods, files and stuff like that wont be able to run on it ? anything allready running when trying to switch to game mode will be forced closed any browsers closed, any usb drives or other sources like phones bla bla bla wont be able to be plugged into the pc because all the ports will be disabled, if you pull the usb stick from the keyboard or mouse the system will switch back to regular mode again and close down any games instant ..

when in regular mode you can do what ever you want, you just cant connect to a game server and play games online ?

how about that solution ?

and again privacy ? what ? .. your internet service provider knows more about you than you do about yourself .. lol xD

[Crazy Tiger]

I don't play multiplayer games, but I certainly would not want my pc to be restricted/locked. I also don't want to switch between modes, as I do various things at the same time.

Just because you don't care about the privacy part, doesn't mean that the rest of the world has to accept your norms in that.

What you want, mate, is a console. Go buy one. Let the rest of us use our PC as we see fit, it's what the bloody thing is for.

[Brian9824]

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

As a gamer i really dont care about privacy on my game pc, pc cafe´s would not care about it either as they only have games and browsers on their pc´s, Pc cafe´s could have other pc´s not a gamer pc for privacy stuff ..

We aren't talking about PC Cafe's, they can already restrict content and secure their computers without having to take draconian steps. We are talking about how the majority of people use steam on their personal PC

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

i personally use other sources for privacy stuff, wich is not even connected to the internet im playing from, i dont have any privacy files or stuff like that on my gamer pc, only game files and regular security files and the OS & system files.. thats it ..

That's nice, the majority of the world maintains 1 PC for both gaming and personal use.

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

Im talking about illegal stuff, like distribute stolen sex tapes, or pictures, underage and violence stuff ..

So i think we should have such system,

Again, what your describing is ILLEGAL, the only way to know what the video contains would be if someone was manually LOOKING at your computer files. Otherwise how would someone know if your video called Wedding for instance was a home made sex tape or a home made wedding video?''

That would violate so many laws around the world that it wouldn't even be funny.

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

I got another idea here if you dont like the first one

how about you should be able to switch between gamer pc or regular ??..
when in game mode your whole system will be restricted and locked down only for gameplay and any illegal mods, files and stuff like that wont be able to run on it ? anything allready running when trying to switch to game mode will be forced closed any browsers closed, any usb drives or other sources like phones bla bla bla wont be able to be plugged into the pc because all the ports will be disabled, if you pull the usb stick from the keyboard or mouse the system will switch back to regular mode again and close down any games instant ..

Switch to regular mode, modify files, switch to gamer mode and boom your good to go. Not to mention.

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

and again privacy ? what ? .. your internet service provider knows more about you than you do about yourself .. lol xD

Your ISP isn't scanning your computer to determine what pictures and videos you have on it for instance, nor is it scanning all your folders to see what you have installed.

What your suggesting violates so many privacy laws, locks people out of their computer, etc, all to try to stop cheaters who will bypass your restrictions anyways, and would negatively impact millions of people who aren't even playing online games or cheating.

[Start_Running]

M-A-X-E™ původně napsal:

As a gamer i really dont care about privacy on my game pc, pc cafe´s would not care about it either as they only have games and browsers on their pc´s, Pc cafe´s could have other pc´s not a gamer pc for privacy stuff ..

Yeah you probably should.

If people really care about privacy, they backup their privacy stuff on a usb stick and keep it away from a pc wich is connected to the internet ..

And its a lot easier to lose a usb stick than a PC.

Im talking about illegal stuff, like distribute stolen sex tapes, or pictures, underage and violence stuff ..

I do not even know where that came from.

What is the problem you are trying to solve here anyway?
What would be the benefit of this restriction. I mean disregarding the fact that you can if you want already set up such a thing on your PC already.