Get rid of Lolis and Lolicons

[Amaterasu]

I know that I'm opening a hell of a can of worms, I know that a lot of people are going to come out of the wood works and try to defend it and all. I know that I'm gonna get accused of being a closeted lolicon(I'm not, I don't even like kids in general). But it's something I've been feeling has been needed to be said for a long while.

Loli is an art style that took hold in Japan after a book known as the Lolita Complex, which was a book about someone wanting to [CENSORED] a child was released there. It became a viral hit and spawned the Lolita style, which in and of itself is just Victorian England dress turned up to 11. But... it also normalized the idea that it was okay for people to be attracted to kids. Yes, literal kids.

Japan didn't have laws against any sort of [CENSORED] until 2014, which it was finally made illegal and they gave people an entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ year to get rid of it. And even so, they still try to [CENSORED] children in animation and manga. Yes, really, this is a thing that still happens. Yes, that's what the entire art style of Loli is actually about. If it was supposed to be cute, it'd be Kawaii. If it was supposed to be childlike it'd be Chibi. If it was supposed to be a normal child, it'd just be a child. Yes, there are actual terms for every type of defense that people make.

Also the "800 year old Vampire" defense is just the "Legal" Loli defense. They're still coded to be a child. It's still wrong. And according to laws in the US at least having Loli material and being a Lolicon(Which derives from Lolita Complex, you know, that book which someone wanted to [CENSORED] a kid. Yeah, you can get an idea of what they're really about. It's not about cute things, it's about kids)... is illegal and falls under the definition of simulated [CENSORED].

And to counter the, "It's just a fantasy" defense... why specifically the childlike character? Why specifically them? There are plenty of adult coded people in anime, manga, and games. Plenty of them, such as Tae Takemi from Persona 5(Early 20s, looks it), Nami from One Piece(18 pre-time skip, 20 post. Looks it), wanna go with short and cute? Shiori Katase from My Tiny Senpai(In her 20s, looks it), want flat? Ms. Kobayashi from Ms. Kobayashi's Dragon Maid(At least 20s, looks it), Zebiantes from Chillin in my 30s after getting Fired from the Demon Lord's Army(Unknown, looks and acts like an adult), Hana Uzaki from Uzaki-chan wants to hang out(College student, looks it). Why not any of those examples or more? Because it's not about a petite woman. It's about the fact the character is coded as a child and it's being used in place of materials that more overtly known as being illegal, but as I said before, Loli material still counts in the same boat under US Law.

As such, I believe Steam should rid itself of these things. Give this kind of thing one less platform of legitimacy. And that it should very much be a ban on sight kind of thing.

P.S. Not relevant, but I don't watch One Piece, I have a dislike of Shounen Anime, especially Battle Shonen, I just know Nami because my little brother is a Shounenhead. SEINEN FOR LIFE! Also all the [CENSORED] was so that someone couldn't just report this to the mods and get it taken down.

Edit: Thanks for the points.

[Seraphita]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Ben Lubar:

The argument made against me was that it was impossible for me to change something people found offensive in a game I am the lead developer for. That is the argument I was disproving.

Except there was nothing to prove. You said that you're the lead dev... You can change whatever you want, censor whatever you want. But we can still have an opinion on if a choice is weird or not. Now what I want to know is why "shaman" is insensitive.

And before you claim that I'm the one being insensitive here, we often give nickname to monsters in games, based on what abilities they can do. Often as a role or etc. A shaman is, by fantasy definition, what it is. It's like a black mage or white mage in FF. So uh...

If I'm offended about black mage, should SE change it to something else?

Also: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/game/classes/shaman

[Bmx Bandit]

Quick! to the virtue signal! [images3.memedroid.com]

Rule of the thumb if you see something illegal, report it

[76561197963519852]

This place is 4chan

[Seraphita]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Major Cruton:

Quick! to the virtue signal! [images3.memedroid.com]

Rule of the thumb if you see something illegal, report it

If you see something actually illegal, sure. When even the FBI says "Stop making false reports about fictional content" then we know where the real problem lies. Virtue signalers are dangerous people who only do this for internet attention. They don't think.

[Bmx Bandit]

Well that should be obvious, but seem it really need to be said these days

[76561197963519852]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Seraphita:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Major Cruton:

Quick! to the virtue signal! [images3.memedroid.com]

Rule of the thumb if you see something illegal, report it

If you see something actually illegal, sure. When even the FBI says "Stop making false reports about fictional content" then we know where the real problem lies. Virtue signalers are dangerous people who only do this for internet attention. They don't think.

I think it's ok for people to think sexualizing children is abhorrent even if pedophiles want to defend it as art.

[Seraphita]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από redacted:

I think it's ok for people to think sexualizing children is abhorrent even if pedophiles want to defend it as art.

Bruh, even the FBI disagrees with you, know your place. The fact that you openly water down a term used to identify real predators makes me very concerned for you. You have the right to be wrong but you also have to deal with being told that you're wrong.

[76561197963519852]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Seraphita:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από redacted:

I think it's ok for people to think sexualizing children is abhorrent even if pedophiles want to defend it as art.

Bruh, even the FBI disagrees with you, know your place. The fact that you openly water down a term used to identify real predators makes me very concerned for you. You have the right to be wrong but you also have to deal with being told that you're wrong.

You have the right to be told you're gross for using "art" to hide behind your immorality.

I mean, let's be honest, there's a lot of you on steam and with that comes with a lot of group think and normalization of behaviors that would never fly in face to face society.

I don't expect you to fully understand.

[Seraphita]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από redacted:

You have the right to be told you're gross for using "art" to hide behind your immorality.

I mean, let's be honest, there's a lot of you on steam and with that comes with a lot of group think and normalization of behaviors that would never fly in face to face society.

I don't expect you to fully understand.

And I bet you can't explain what you just said, right? Tell me, are loli real? Do they exist in real life? You understand why it's only a thing in media like anime and artwork?

I don't think I need to be more clear. And I don't expect you to fully understand, either. After all, you shamelessly water down terms you don't understand to virtue signal...

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Seraphita:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από redacted:

You have the right to be told you're gross for using "art" to hide behind your immorality.

I mean, let's be honest, there's a lot of you on steam and with that comes with a lot of group think and normalization of behaviors that would never fly in face to face society.

I don't expect you to fully understand.

And I bet you can't explain what you just said, right? Tell me, are loli real? Do they exist in real life? You understand why it's only a thing in media like anime and artwork?

I don't think I need to be more clear. And I don't expect you to fully understand, either. After all, you shamelessly water down terms you don't understand to virtue signal...

I mean, I personally knew several people who're attracted to real minors who use lolicon as a "medium" to satisfy their urges. So, it very well could be seen as a form of enabling.

[Revy]

point farm simulator

[Amaterasu]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Seraphita:

And I bet you can't explain what you just said, right? Tell me, are loli real? Do they exist in real life? You understand why it's only a thing in media like anime and artwork?

I don't think I need to be more clear. And I don't expect you to fully understand, either. After all, you shamelessly water down terms you don't understand to virtue signal...

I mean, I personally knew several people who're attracted to real minors who use lolicon as a "medium" to satisfy their urges. So, it very well could be seen as a form of enabling.

Thank you for proving my point, my man.

[Seraphita]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Leonardo Da Pinchi:

I mean, I personally knew several people who're attracted to real minors who use lolicon as a "medium" to satisfy their urges. So, it very well could be seen as a form of enabling.

And yet, no scientific researches prove that there's a correlation between both. Obviously, you can't deny the coincidence of "someone being into one, falls into the other."

But the problem there is with the person, not with the media. We've already proven in this thread that many don't know the difference between reality and fiction. Twitter proved that lot of antis have lolis in their likes. Interesting how real threats are often against loli.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από sungoddess14:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Leonardo Da Pinchi:

I mean, I personally knew several people who're attracted to real minors who use lolicon as a "medium" to satisfy their urges. So, it very well could be seen as a form of enabling.

Thank you for proving my point, my man.

Oh and what did they prove? All he said is that he coincidentally knew people who were into both fiction and reality. I also proved that people like you are into it as well. So what does it say about you? You cannot just take a point you like and ignore points you don't like...

If "lolicons" are, according to you, automatic threats (Which was never proven true) then the fact that antis also can be lolicons behind the facade means what? Because, for all we know, YOU could be projecting as well. We have zero evidence of that or the contrary...

THIS means that you have no evidence that lolicons are actually real life threats. All you have is your feelings, your virtue signaling and your efforts to try to discredit anyone who does not agree with you. This is silly at best. This thread has absolutely no substance...

[76561197963519852]

The hill some people choose to die on.

[Seraphita]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από redacted:

The hill some people choose to die on.

I choose to die on the hill of truth and facts. You choose to die on the hill of lies and watering down terms that are used to identify real life threats. We're not the same.

I mean, you joined this discussion yet instead of creating an actual argument against what I said, you went with a condescending. "You choose to die on this hill." Remember, even the FBI are telling people to stop reporting fictional content because it takes time and resources away from helping actual victims. Having a beef with someone online is a you issue.

You have the right to not like loli, to find it disgusting, to block it. But you do not have the right to misuse a term used to identify REAL THREATS. Some people will always lose it and do evil. Just like violent gamers IRL sometimes play violent games. ♥♥♥♥ happens.