Get rid of Lolis and Lolicons

[Amaterasu]

I know that I'm opening a hell of a can of worms, I know that a lot of people are going to come out of the wood works and try to defend it and all. I know that I'm gonna get accused of being a closeted lolicon(I'm not, I don't even like kids in general). But it's something I've been feeling has been needed to be said for a long while.

Loli is an art style that took hold in Japan after a book known as the Lolita Complex, which was a book about someone wanting to [CENSORED] a child was released there. It became a viral hit and spawned the Lolita style, which in and of itself is just Victorian England dress turned up to 11. But... it also normalized the idea that it was okay for people to be attracted to kids. Yes, literal kids.

Japan didn't have laws against any sort of [CENSORED] until 2014, which it was finally made illegal and they gave people an entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ year to get rid of it. And even so, they still try to [CENSORED] children in animation and manga. Yes, really, this is a thing that still happens. Yes, that's what the entire art style of Loli is actually about. If it was supposed to be cute, it'd be Kawaii. If it was supposed to be childlike it'd be Chibi. If it was supposed to be a normal child, it'd just be a child. Yes, there are actual terms for every type of defense that people make.

Also the "800 year old Vampire" defense is just the "Legal" Loli defense. They're still coded to be a child. It's still wrong. And according to laws in the US at least having Loli material and being a Lolicon(Which derives from Lolita Complex, you know, that book which someone wanted to [CENSORED] a kid. Yeah, you can get an idea of what they're really about. It's not about cute things, it's about kids)... is illegal and falls under the definition of simulated [CENSORED].

And to counter the, "It's just a fantasy" defense... why specifically the childlike character? Why specifically them? There are plenty of adult coded people in anime, manga, and games. Plenty of them, such as Tae Takemi from Persona 5(Early 20s, looks it), Nami from One Piece(18 pre-time skip, 20 post. Looks it), wanna go with short and cute? Shiori Katase from My Tiny Senpai(In her 20s, looks it), want flat? Ms. Kobayashi from Ms. Kobayashi's Dragon Maid(At least 20s, looks it), Zebiantes from Chillin in my 30s after getting Fired from the Demon Lord's Army(Unknown, looks and acts like an adult), Hana Uzaki from Uzaki-chan wants to hang out(College student, looks it). Why not any of those examples or more? Because it's not about a petite woman. It's about the fact the character is coded as a child and it's being used in place of materials that more overtly known as being illegal, but as I said before, Loli material still counts in the same boat under US Law.

As such, I believe Steam should rid itself of these things. Give this kind of thing one less platform of legitimacy. And that it should very much be a ban on sight kind of thing.

P.S. Not relevant, but I don't watch One Piece, I have a dislike of Shounen Anime, especially Battle Shonen, I just know Nami because my little brother is a Shounenhead. SEINEN FOR LIFE! Also all the [CENSORED] was so that someone couldn't just report this to the mods and get it taken down.

Edit: Thanks for the points.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Lubar:

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

Which what has been cited in this thread isn't pornography.

That article was found from a direct link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon#Legality_and_censorship

It is pornography and it does depict fictional children. That part isn't up for debate.

Read what I said again.

[Ben Lubar]

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Lubar:

That article was found from a direct link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon#Legality_and_censorship

It is pornography and it does depict fictional children. That part isn't up for debate.

Read what I said again.

Alright, I did that and your lie is still a lie.

[Amaterasu]

Origineel geplaatst door Seraphita:

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

Anything they are classifying as lolicon. They even cited a badge because it refers to the owner as a lolicon even though it has no explicit imagery.

They mean badges like mine, even though it's harmless. I've had it for a while. I just really find amusing that it's there on steam but honestly, yeah. It's harmless. Just like loli.

OP is a little too obsessed about this. They forget the difference between reality and fiction and what is concerning here is that they think one is the same as the other. Eh... :sweat:

By that logic, I should be stocking up ammo for the inevitable invasion of Hell because I've been playing a lot of DOOM lately. Oh wait, I'm not. Because I have an ability to separate fiction from reality. The difference is... id didn't create DOOM to pander towards people who wanted to become mass murderers. Lolicon is created to pander to one specific group.

Also, looks like I got Bingo on my "Lolicon deflection bingo card".

[Boblin the Goblin]

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Lubar:

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

Read what I said again.

Alright, I did that and your lie is still a lie.

It isn't a lie.

What is being cited in this thread isn't pornographic.

A badge was literally cited as an example.

[Seraphita]

Origineel geplaatst door sungoddess14:

Yes, literal kids.

For the record, anyone who thinks loli (Or any fictional characters in general) are "LITERALLY" kids, probably needs help. There is no such thing, objectively, as "Anime characters are literally real people". Anyone who says this have concerning views...

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Lubar:

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

Read what I said again.

Alright, I did that and your lie is still a lie.

You DO realize he means that this thread is about ANY loli including SFW ones, right? While steam is getting rid of NSFW lolis, SFW ones are still very legal. They're all over animes and etc so even if you point at countries that ban lolis, Mango is still correct. o.O

[Ben Lubar]

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Lubar:

Alright, I did that and your lie is still a lie.

It isn't a lie.

What is being cited in this thread isn't pornographic.

A badge was literally cited as an example.

The badge is from a video game that contains content related to what the badge is named, presumably.

I'm certainly not going to purchase it to find out, but the reviews being almost uniformly defensive about this exact word draws a strong correlation.

[Seraphita]

Origineel geplaatst door sungoddess14:

By that logic, I should be stocking up ammo for the inevitable invasion of Hell because I've been playing a lot of DOOM lately. Oh wait, I'm not. Because I have an ability to separate fiction from reality. The difference is... id didn't create DOOM to pander towards people who wanted to become mass murderers. Lolicon is created to pander to one specific group.

Also, looks like I got Bingo on my "Lolicon deflection bingo card". :SpadeSmug:

Oh so now you claim that you know the difference between reality and fiction? Despite the fact that this thread proves that wrong? You seem to have double standards, then. Lolis were not created to pander to the people you think, no. Loli exist because CUTE.

[Ben Lubar]

Origineel geplaatst door Seraphita:

Origineel geplaatst door sungoddess14:

By that logic, I should be stocking up ammo for the inevitable invasion of Hell because I've been playing a lot of DOOM lately. Oh wait, I'm not. Because I have an ability to separate fiction from reality. The difference is... id didn't create DOOM to pander towards people who wanted to become mass murderers. Lolicon is created to pander to one specific group.

Also, looks like I got Bingo on my "Lolicon deflection bingo card". :SpadeSmug:

Oh so now you claim that you know the difference between reality and fiction? Despite the fact that this thread proves that wrong? You seem to have double standards, then. Lolis were not created to pander to the people you think, no. Loli exist because CUTE.

I would hope it would be possible to draw cute characters without having to make them sexualized depictions of minors.

[Brian9824]

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Lubar:

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

Which what has been cited in this thread isn't pornography.

That article was found from a direct link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon#Legality_and_censorship

It is pornography and it does depict fictional children. That part isn't up for debate.

Sure it is up for debate when you grossly mislabel it, lolicon CAN be pornographic, it also can be non pornographic. Hence why there is a thing called context. Just like some people are into furries and it can cross the line from harmless to wtf someone get me the brain bleach.

if you read your own link its only illegal if it depicts sexual acts that would be illegal in real life. There is lots of anime for instance that have loli char's that isn't remotely illegal because there is no sex acts or anything remotely close that would render it illegal.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Lubar:

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

It isn't a lie.

What is being cited in this thread isn't pornographic.

A badge was literally cited as an example.

The badge is from a video game that contains content related to what the badge is named, presumably.

I'm certainly not going to purchase it to find out, but the reviews being almost uniformly defensive about this exact word draws a strong correlation.

The game isn't pornographic. Hence why it's sold on Steam.

[Seraphita]

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Lubar:

I would hope it would be possible to draw cute characters without having to make them sexualized depictions of minors.

Fictional characters. Reality =/= Fiction. In short, nobody cares. Antis care because they think they're fighting some righteous battle but that's what we call "virtue signaling". They don't care about actual children, they only care about being "holier than thou".

This is what this thread is. There is not a single concern for real kids to be found here. It's only a virtue signaling thread. There is NO scientific correlation found between lolis and the real thing. It's just how things are. Most of the times, antis are projecting, too.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/4030224296644543738/?ctp=56#c4299322040761735688

I just want to point out op not only does not actually care about real victims but also has directly made statements not only in favor of wasting police resources that leads to more victims, but also making direct statements spitting in the face of real life victims equating their suffering to that of drawings. All this and more and when called out had no refutes to these claims. The conversation in the link above to that steam discussion.

[Brian9824]

Also per the article as I already stated

Laws have been enacted to criminalize "obscene images of children, no matter how they are made"

Just like furry art can become obscene and become illegal, Loli art is the same way. It can range anywhere from G to OMG call the FBI.

Trying to lump it all as illegal is as nonsensical as trying to lump all movies as illegal because some people produced snuff films.

[Ben Lubar]

I do not want the name of a type of pornography in a Steam badge that is visible to users of all ages. I do not want to see that word on the website I use for work, and adding it to my list of filtered words does nothing to the name of the badge. Is it too much to ask to just rename a badge so it doesn't have the name of a type of pornography in it?

[Brian9824]

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Lubar:

I do not want the name of a type of pornography in a Steam badge that is visible to users of all ages. I do not want to see that word on the website I use for work, and adding it to my list of filtered words does nothing to the name of the badge. Is it too much to ask to just rename a badge so it doesn't have the name of a type of pornography in it?

Ask the developer, nothing to do with steam.