Get rid of Lolis and Lolicons

[Amaterasu]

I know that I'm opening a hell of a can of worms, I know that a lot of people are going to come out of the wood works and try to defend it and all. I know that I'm gonna get accused of being a closeted lolicon(I'm not, I don't even like kids in general). But it's something I've been feeling has been needed to be said for a long while.

Loli is an art style that took hold in Japan after a book known as the Lolita Complex, which was a book about someone wanting to [CENSORED] a child was released there. It became a viral hit and spawned the Lolita style, which in and of itself is just Victorian England dress turned up to 11. But... it also normalized the idea that it was okay for people to be attracted to kids. Yes, literal kids.

Japan didn't have laws against any sort of [CENSORED] until 2014, which it was finally made illegal and they gave people an entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ year to get rid of it. And even so, they still try to [CENSORED] children in animation and manga. Yes, really, this is a thing that still happens. Yes, that's what the entire art style of Loli is actually about. If it was supposed to be cute, it'd be Kawaii. If it was supposed to be childlike it'd be Chibi. If it was supposed to be a normal child, it'd just be a child. Yes, there are actual terms for every type of defense that people make.

Also the "800 year old Vampire" defense is just the "Legal" Loli defense. They're still coded to be a child. It's still wrong. And according to laws in the US at least having Loli material and being a Lolicon(Which derives from Lolita Complex, you know, that book which someone wanted to [CENSORED] a kid. Yeah, you can get an idea of what they're really about. It's not about cute things, it's about kids)... is illegal and falls under the definition of simulated [CENSORED].

And to counter the, "It's just a fantasy" defense... why specifically the childlike character? Why specifically them? There are plenty of adult coded people in anime, manga, and games. Plenty of them, such as Tae Takemi from Persona 5(Early 20s, looks it), Nami from One Piece(18 pre-time skip, 20 post. Looks it), wanna go with short and cute? Shiori Katase from My Tiny Senpai(In her 20s, looks it), want flat? Ms. Kobayashi from Ms. Kobayashi's Dragon Maid(At least 20s, looks it), Zebiantes from Chillin in my 30s after getting Fired from the Demon Lord's Army(Unknown, looks and acts like an adult), Hana Uzaki from Uzaki-chan wants to hang out(College student, looks it). Why not any of those examples or more? Because it's not about a petite woman. It's about the fact the character is coded as a child and it's being used in place of materials that more overtly known as being illegal, but as I said before, Loli material still counts in the same boat under US Law.

As such, I believe Steam should rid itself of these things. Give this kind of thing one less platform of legitimacy. And that it should very much be a ban on sight kind of thing.

P.S. Not relevant, but I don't watch One Piece, I have a dislike of Shounen Anime, especially Battle Shonen, I just know Nami because my little brother is a Shounenhead. SEINEN FOR LIFE! Also all the [CENSORED] was so that someone couldn't just report this to the mods and get it taken down.

Edit: Thanks for the points.

[Mad Scientist]

引用自 sungoddess14：

引用自 Thermal Pineapple：

This topic is on fire today.

I mean I found some new material, turns out it wasn't a slam dunk so. *Shrugs* But the Lolicon defense force needs to engage in libel and strawmanning so that they feel better about themselves. I wonder how this topic would go if someone thought I was a transwoman. After all, Lolicons tend to be extremely transphobic. I'm sure that's just a coincidence and has no correlation or causation at all. :SpadeSmug:

You're saying people are doing libel while claiming they're something nefarious, that's not really any better. Word salads also don't make something more accurate. As previously stated, if you believe there's an issue with UGC or games, you may appropriately report the content and Valve will handle it if it's against the rules or law.

[Abigail From Sneaky Squid Dept.]

引用自 sungoddess14：

I support groups that go after real life child predators, people who do sting operations to get these kinds of people that are off the streets and if I had the money to do so, would be in charge of one of these kinds of groups myself. But I don't have the money.

You know those vigilante groups hurt way more then they help, right? Just look at the edp445 situation.

[Amaterasu]

引用自 Abigail From Sneaky Shrimp Dept.：

引用自 sungoddess14：

I support groups that go after real life child predators, people who do sting operations to get these kinds of people that are off the streets and if I had the money to do so, would be in charge of one of these kinds of groups myself. But I don't have the money.

You know those vigilante groups hurt way more then they help, right? Just look at the edp445 situation.

No, I actually did not know that. It just... it kinda felt like at least someone was looking out for people, stopping more people like me from becoming a thing. So I got caught up in all of that and didn't really look deep into it.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 sungoddess14：

引用自 Thermal Pineapple：

This topic is on fire today.

I mean I found some new material, turns out it wasn't a slam dunk so. *Shrugs* But the Lolicon defense force needs to engage in libel and strawmanning so that they feel better about themselves. I wonder how this topic would go if someone thought I was a transwoman. After all, Lolicons tend to be extremely transphobic. I'm sure that's just a coincidence and has no correlation or causation at all. :SpadeSmug:

But it's also funny how the accusations levied against me don't point out to specific things I've said and don't have proof. Almost as if... they don't really hold water and are just the usual arguments that people think work. Makes me wonder if there's a dark web site out there with the Lolicon Defense Force handbook that tells them of these arguments and how to use them.

You mean like calling people lolicons for pointing out holes?

Weird how suddenly "skirting around breaking the rules" is suddenly alright. As well as "claiming someone said something they didn't".

But hey, I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

[Ogami]

I know this is an emotioal topic but i think its best to just look at facts.
There is no evidence that loli/shota content being available raises sexual assaults against children.
The data actually shows the opposite, Japan, a country in which this material is freely available to buy in many forms ( many much extremer then whats on Steam) is constantly in the top 10 of safest nation for children with very low rates of sexual abuse according to the UN.
If lolicon/shotacon really was a trigger for real world child abuse then there should be a correlation shown in the data we have.
That is not the case. So in conclusion, you may dislike lolicon/shotacon and find it distasteful/disgusting but the argument that it leads to more child abuse just holds no water with the data we have.
So in the end its just fictional content like any other, some like it ,some dont.
Just ignore it if its not your thing.

[Amaterasu]

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 sungoddess14：

I mean I found some new material, turns out it wasn't a slam dunk so. *Shrugs* But the Lolicon defense force needs to engage in libel and strawmanning so that they feel better about themselves. I wonder how this topic would go if someone thought I was a transwoman. After all, Lolicons tend to be extremely transphobic. I'm sure that's just a coincidence and has no correlation or causation at all.

But it's also funny how the accusations levied against me don't point out to specific things I've said and don't have proof. Almost as if... they don't really hold water and are just the usual arguments that people think work. Makes me wonder if there's a dark web site out there with the Lolicon Defense Force handbook that tells them of these arguments and how to use them.

You mean like calling people lolicons for pointing out holes?

Weird how suddenly "skirting around breaking the rules" is suddenly alright. As well as "claiming someone said something they didn't".

But hey, I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

What's with the strawman, friend?

I never once called nor implied that you're a Lolicon. Though I suppose for the sake of transparency that I was referring to someone else there. However, this only gives credence to the fact that "Other people have problems with me. Not the other way around". Seriously, just use the block function, I'd magically vanish.

[Amaterasu]

引用自 Ogami：

I know this is an emotioal topic but i think its best to just look at facts.
There is no evidence that loli/shota content being available raises sexual assaults against children.
The data actually shows the opposite, Japan, a country in which this material is freely available to buy in many forms ( many much extremer then whats on Steam) is constantly in the top 10 of safest nation for children with very low rates of sexual abuse according to the UN.
If lolicon/shotacon really was a trigger for real world child abuse then there should be a correlation shown in the data we have.
That is not the case. So in conclusion, you may dislike lolicon/shotacon and find it distasteful/disgusting but the argument that it leads to more child abuse just holds no water with the data we have.
So in the end its just fictional content like any other, some like it ,some dont.
Just ignore it if its not your thing.

That's because sexual abuse is self-reported and most Japanese women don't report. But they do have women only trains because women get groped by men on trains.

A lot of people look at Japanese crime statistics and just ignore literally everything else about Japan. Japan has a culture of conformity, if you *report* that you've been sexually assaulted in Japan... people are less likely to believe you than even here in the US... not because of "statistics", but because you suddenly became the nail that stuck out.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 sungoddess14：

引用自 SlowMango：

You mean like calling people lolicons for pointing out holes?

Weird how suddenly "skirting around breaking the rules" is suddenly alright. As well as "claiming someone said something they didn't".

But hey, I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

What's with the strawman, friend? :MillaThink:

I never once called nor implied that you're a Lolicon. Though I suppose for the sake of transparency that I was referring to someone else there. However, this only gives credence to the fact that "Other people have problems with me. Not the other way around". Seriously, just use the block function, I'd magically vanish.

Why would I block you?

[Eli]

We're locking this thread as it has devolved into non-productive argument. Thanks for your understanding.