Get rid of Lolis and Lolicons

[Amaterasu]

I know that I'm opening a hell of a can of worms, I know that a lot of people are going to come out of the wood works and try to defend it and all. I know that I'm gonna get accused of being a closeted lolicon(I'm not, I don't even like kids in general). But it's something I've been feeling has been needed to be said for a long while.

Loli is an art style that took hold in Japan after a book known as the Lolita Complex, which was a book about someone wanting to [CENSORED] a child was released there. It became a viral hit and spawned the Lolita style, which in and of itself is just Victorian England dress turned up to 11. But... it also normalized the idea that it was okay for people to be attracted to kids. Yes, literal kids.

Japan didn't have laws against any sort of [CENSORED] until 2014, which it was finally made illegal and they gave people an entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ year to get rid of it. And even so, they still try to [CENSORED] children in animation and manga. Yes, really, this is a thing that still happens. Yes, that's what the entire art style of Loli is actually about. If it was supposed to be cute, it'd be Kawaii. If it was supposed to be childlike it'd be Chibi. If it was supposed to be a normal child, it'd just be a child. Yes, there are actual terms for every type of defense that people make.

Also the "800 year old Vampire" defense is just the "Legal" Loli defense. They're still coded to be a child. It's still wrong. And according to laws in the US at least having Loli material and being a Lolicon(Which derives from Lolita Complex, you know, that book which someone wanted to [CENSORED] a kid. Yeah, you can get an idea of what they're really about. It's not about cute things, it's about kids)... is illegal and falls under the definition of simulated [CENSORED].

And to counter the, "It's just a fantasy" defense... why specifically the childlike character? Why specifically them? There are plenty of adult coded people in anime, manga, and games. Plenty of them, such as Tae Takemi from Persona 5(Early 20s, looks it), Nami from One Piece(18 pre-time skip, 20 post. Looks it), wanna go with short and cute? Shiori Katase from My Tiny Senpai(In her 20s, looks it), want flat? Ms. Kobayashi from Ms. Kobayashi's Dragon Maid(At least 20s, looks it), Zebiantes from Chillin in my 30s after getting Fired from the Demon Lord's Army(Unknown, looks and acts like an adult), Hana Uzaki from Uzaki-chan wants to hang out(College student, looks it). Why not any of those examples or more? Because it's not about a petite woman. It's about the fact the character is coded as a child and it's being used in place of materials that more overtly known as being illegal, but as I said before, Loli material still counts in the same boat under US Law.

As such, I believe Steam should rid itself of these things. Give this kind of thing one less platform of legitimacy. And that it should very much be a ban on sight kind of thing.

P.S. Not relevant, but I don't watch One Piece, I have a dislike of Shounen Anime, especially Battle Shonen, I just know Nami because my little brother is a Shounenhead. SEINEN FOR LIFE! Also all the [CENSORED] was so that someone couldn't just report this to the mods and get it taken down.

Edit: Thanks for the points.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

Cosa Nostra a écrit :

Looks like we found a chomo...

Not only did this dude fail to have an actual argument to prove his point and resorted to a pathetic accusation and insult, he tried to friend request me so he could harass me lmao.

[Thermal Lance]

𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼 a écrit :

Cosa Nostra a écrit :

Looks like we found a chomo...

Not only did this dude fail to have an actual argument to prove his point and resorted to a pathetic accusation and insult, he tried to friend request me so he could harass me lmao.

The plot thickens.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

Cosa Nostra a écrit :

𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼 a écrit :

Not only did this dude fail to have an actual argument to prove his point and resorted to a pathetic accusation and insult, he tried to friend request me so he could harass me lmao.

I reported your chomo profile.

I also go to Princeton University...

LMAO, good thing everything on my profile is steam approved. The only things that are not are the two pics which have already been reviewed before because you were not the first and definitely wont be the last to try to report spam me because you lost an argument lmao.

[Seraphita]

𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼 a écrit :

Not really considering there is direct evidence of what I have said being true and the examples that I have given while he only goes off of bias with no direct evidence.

Yep, I can attest to that as I've already said often in this thread. Antis are more concerning than the people they complain about. I've seen it happen often. The world has seen it happen often. It's all over websites like youtube. Lot of twitter users are what they hate.

𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼 a écrit :

I like how this dude is trying to bring up the fact that epstein's plane's name was called the "lolita express" to try and act as a gotcha because they have no actual arguments to stand on (while it also frankly being disgusting they are trying to bring a real world pedo ring where real victims suffered to try and say why the dumb hentai drawings are bad talk about using real peoples suffering to win an internet argument...). It really goes to show that yall don't have anything legitimate to stand on because even the laws (in the usa at least considering this is where steam is) disagree with you.

Yeah, they have nothing but their attitude and their misuse of words they don't understand and therefore devalue to mean nothing. People like that have no consideration for real children, they only do it for virtue signaling and internet points. And they do so poorly.

[Amaterasu]

I mean it's already been proven that Lolicon is nothing more than simulated child porn a few times in this topic. Not really anything more to prove.

Also the "I"m not a pedo, you're the pedo because of <Insert Streamer here>" defense isn't really that good of a defense.

[Boblin the Goblin]

sungoddess14 a écrit :

I mean it's already been proven that Lolicon is nothing more than simulated child porn a few times in this topic. Not really anything more to prove.

Also the "I"m not a pedo, you're the pedo because of <Insert Streamer here>" defense isn't really that good of a defense.

It's also been shown that Steam rejects games that have minors in sexual situations.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

Seraphita a écrit :

𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼 a écrit :

Not really considering there is direct evidence of what I have said being true and the examples that I have given while he only goes off of bias with no direct evidence.

Yep, I can attest to that as I've already said often in this thread. Antis are more concerning than the people they complain about. I've seen it happen often. The world has seen it happen often. It's all over websites like youtube. Lot of twitter users are what they hate.

𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼 a écrit :

I like how this dude is trying to bring up the fact that epstein's plane's name was called the "lolita express" to try and act as a gotcha because they have no actual arguments to stand on (while it also frankly being disgusting they are trying to bring a real world pedo ring where real victims suffered to try and say why the dumb hentai drawings are bad talk about using real peoples suffering to win an internet argument...). It really goes to show that yall don't have anything legitimate to stand on because even the laws (in the usa at least considering this is where steam is) disagree with you.

Yeah, they have nothing but their attitude and their misuse of words they don't understand and therefore devalue to mean nothing. People like that have no consideration for real children, they only do it for virtue signaling and internet points. And they do so poorly.

People made that they not only do they not have an argument, and that even the laws disagree with them.

The malding is always funny.

sungoddess14 a écrit :

I mean it's already been proven that Lolicon is nothing more than simulated child porn a few times in this topic. Not really anything more to prove.

It actually hasn't (unless you are trying to refer to whatever delusions you have been spouting in multiple threads pretending that is fact). What has been proven, linked to and documented though are your comments spitting in the face of real world victims and you admitting to having no justification for you comments, posts and more. As well as the multiple documented cases of actual pedos being found after going out of their way to scream about drawings. Finally what also is directly documented is the usa law (which is the subject country due to steam being usa based) that directly says lolicon doesn't count as cp.

We can keep going if you like, though it will only further show how willing you are to embarrass yourself.

[Thermal Lance]

This thread gets better by the minute. Please people, keep going. Really helping me fight off boredom.

[MonkehMaster]

what about streamers?

[Seraphita]

MonkehMaster a écrit :

what about streamers?

:cqlol:

I'd love to see what OP thinks of Gawr Gura, tbh. Or the so many lolitubers out there. We will hear the same thing we've heard so far but people will have to deal with the fact that Gura is like the most popular vtuber out there. And antis do NOT like that at all. Welp.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

All I'm going to say is it's unsurprising individuals who're be reactive to the wanting to ban the material....have said material on their profiles.

[Seraphita]

Leonardo Da Pinchi a écrit :

All I'm going to say is it's unsurprising individuals who're be reactive to the wanting to ban the material....have said material on their profiles.

I mean, you can also say that it's unsurprising that people who dislike it doesn't... If someone wanted to ban whatever else and someone who had it on their profile debated against it, it would also be unsurprising. You have to think a bit before you say things.

There is also something else... The ones who want to see these things banned have no ground to stand on. When you go and think that even SFW material is a threat to real life children, this might tell us a lot about you. Again, it is the same usual virtue signaling.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

Seraphita a écrit :

MonkehMaster a écrit :

what about streamers?

:cqlol:

I'd love to see what OP thinks of Gawr Gura, tbh. Or the so many lolitubers out there. We will hear the same thing we've heard so far but people will have to deal with the fact that Gura is like the most popular vtuber out there. And antis do NOT like that at all. Welp.

Gura doesnt get targeted as much anymore because it's been shown that hololive does not tolerate defamation of their streamers and those who would do so know what they are saying is untrue and would lose the courtcase.

[Thermal Lance]

Leonardo Da Pinchi a écrit :

All I'm going to say is it's unsurprising individuals who're be reactive to the wanting to ban the material....have said material on their profiles.

Don't kick the hornet nest. XD

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Seraphita a écrit :

Leonardo Da Pinchi a écrit :

All I'm going to say is it's unsurprising individuals who're be reactive to the wanting to ban the material....have said material on their profiles.

I mean, you can also say that it's unsurprising that people who dislike it doesn't... If someone wanted to ban whatever else and someone who had it on their profile debated against it, it would also be unsurprising. You have to think a bit before you say things.

There is also something else... The ones who want to see these things banned have no ground to stand on. When you go and think that even SFW material is a threat to real life children, this might tell us a lot about you. Again, it is the same usual virtue signaling.

I mean, define sfw cuz iirc a series on Netflix recently got backlash for having kids dance about in leotards.

Keep in mind when I see loli I literally mean minors presented in a lewd fashion, as the actual term is meant to depict. Not just animated children.