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Come up with a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ way to permanently remove cheaters
Stop double dipping, wink, nod, smile, and letting them play on account after ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ account

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ban them

Figure it the ♥♥♥♥ out
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Satoru 12 febr. 2024 la 14:34 
Accounts are already banned permanently if they are detected to be running cheats
nullable 12 febr. 2024 la 14:35 
Anyone can make a Steam account. How is Valve going to stop a cheater from making a new account, and buying a new license? Yes yes, I know you can imagine arcane technomancy accomplishing it, but let's stick to the real world.

There's lots of reasons why it can't be done like you imagine. And methinks you don't want to live in a world where you need to provide the same level of identification you would need to make a bank account to use Steam.

This isn't just a Steam problem, no one has solved it in PC gaming over the entire life of the Internet. Why do you think that is?
Editat ultima dată de nullable; 12 febr. 2024 la 14:37
Nx Machina 12 febr. 2024 la 14:43 
They already have, known as Vac and the Vac forum is full of the ones who got caught.

Secondly: Games with the largest number of cheaters.

1) Fornite (Epic) with 26 million.

2) Overwatch (Blizzard) with over 9 million.

None of those games listed are made by Valve.
d3str0y3r 12 febr. 2024 la 14:47 
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Stop double dipping, wink, nod, smile, and letting them play on account after ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ account

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ban them

Figure it the ♥♥♥♥ out

Wow.... "The perfect solution to stop cheating" sounds like a multi billion dollar idea.... You should go capitalize on it before someone else does. You know, because it's so easy...

:steammocking:
Postat inițial de d3str0y3r:
Postat inițial de 76561197963519852:
Stop double dipping, wink, nod, smile, and letting them play on account after ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ account

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ban them

Figure it the ♥♥♥♥ out

Wow.... "The perfect solution to stop cheating" sounds like a multi billion dollar idea.... You should go capitalize on it before someone else does. You know, because it's so easy...

:steammocking:

Enforce the permanent ban.


Postat inițial de Satoru:
Accounts are already banned permanently if they are detected to be running cheats

Enforce the permanent ban.


Postat inițial de nullable:
Anyone can make a Steam account. How is Valve going to stop a cheater from making a new account, and buying a new license? Yes yes, I know you can imagine arcane technomancy accomplishing it, but let's stick to the real world.

There's lots of reasons why it can't be done like you imagine. And methinks you don't want to live in a world where you need to provide the same level of identification you would need to make a bank account to use Steam.

This isn't just a Steam problem, no one has solved it in PC gaming over the entire life of the Internet. Why do you think that is?


Enforce the permanent ban.


Postat inițial de Nx Machina:
They already have, known as Vac and the Vac forum is full of the ones who got caught.

Secondly: Games with the largest number of cheaters.

1) Fornite (Epic) with 26 million.

2) Overwatch (Blizzard) with over 9 million.

None of those games listed are made by Valve.


Enforce the permanent ban.


tl,dr: Enforce the permanent ban.
Its already enforced, Steam already bans cheaters when they are caught.
Nx Machina 12 febr. 2024 la 15:10 
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Enforce the permanent ban.


tl,dr: Enforce the permanent ban.

It is enforced as the account is "permanently banned" and they can no longer play on Vac Secured Servers on that account.

A better solution is to (a) fix humanity and (b) permanently remove cheat creators BUT not even Epic or Blizzard can do that hence why they have 26 million cheaters in Fornite and 9 million in Overwatch, a point you glossed over because it breaks your narrative of "cheaters only exist in Valve games".

Another example of a Blizzard game with a cheater problem is: WoW.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/gaming/blizzard-bans-a-record-number-of-cheaters-from-world-of-warcraft/ar-AA1mxGn4

Blizzard Bans a Record Number of Cheaters from World of Warcraft

Blizzard banned over 270,000 World of Warcraft accounts in December 2023, marking the largest ban wave since the company started sharing "monthly ban reports".
Editat ultima dată de Nx Machina; 12 febr. 2024 la 15:19
Aluvard 12 febr. 2024 la 15:11 
VAC is permanent ban. Only those that got it by mistake, has it removed.
nullable 12 febr. 2024 la 15:14 
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tl,dr: Enforce the permanent ban.


Being mindlessly contrary isn't the big brain argument you seem to think it is.

tl:dr; You don't know what you're talking about.
Editat ultima dată de nullable; 12 febr. 2024 la 15:14
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Postat inițial de d3str0y3r:

Wow.... "The perfect solution to stop cheating" sounds like a multi billion dollar idea.... You should go capitalize on it before someone else does. You know, because it's so easy...

:steammocking:

Enforce the permanent ban.


Postat inițial de Satoru:
Accounts are already banned permanently if they are detected to be running cheats

Enforce the permanent ban.


Postat inițial de nullable:
Anyone can make a Steam account. How is Valve going to stop a cheater from making a new account, and buying a new license? Yes yes, I know you can imagine arcane technomancy accomplishing it, but let's stick to the real world.

There's lots of reasons why it can't be done like you imagine. And methinks you don't want to live in a world where you need to provide the same level of identification you would need to make a bank account to use Steam.

This isn't just a Steam problem, no one has solved it in PC gaming over the entire life of the Internet. Why do you think that is?


Enforce the permanent ban.


Postat inițial de Nx Machina:
They already have, known as Vac and the Vac forum is full of the ones who got caught.

Secondly: Games with the largest number of cheaters.

1) Fornite (Epic) with 26 million.

2) Overwatch (Blizzard) with over 9 million.

None of those games listed are made by Valve.


Enforce the permanent ban.


tl,dr: Enforce the permanent ban.

And how do you plan to enforce that? IP bans and HWID bans don't work and retroactive phone number bans mean the next person with that number is banned for no reason.

Valve could start requiring people submit legal government ID to play games online, I'm sure people would just love that.
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Postat inițial de 76561197963519852:

Enforce the permanent ban.




Enforce the permanent ban.





Enforce the permanent ban.





Enforce the permanent ban.


tl,dr: Enforce the permanent ban.

And how do you plan to enforce that? IP bans and HWID bans don't work and retroactive phone number bans mean the next person with that number is banned for no reason.

Valve could start requiring people submit legal government ID to play games online, I'm sure people would just love that.
Multi-billion dollar company with ONE JOB:

PROTECT PLAYERS FROM PLAYING AGAINST CHEATERS

Figure it the ♥♥♥♥ out.
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Postat inițial de Reggaeјunkiеdrew:

And how do you plan to enforce that? IP bans and HWID bans don't work and retroactive phone number bans mean the next person with that number is banned for no reason.

Valve could start requiring people submit legal government ID to play games online, I'm sure people would just love that.
Multi-billion dollar company with ONE JOB:

PROTECT PLAYERS FROM PLAYING AGAINST CHEATERS

Figure it the ♥♥♥♥ out.
Nothing to figure out, Valve is not above the law of any nation, what you see is what you get. You don't get to demand something that can't be done in the power Valve has. Figure it out, its not that complex sir.
Gwarsbane 12 febr. 2024 la 15:45 
Postat inițial de 76561197963519852:
Postat inițial de Reggaeјunkiеdrew:

And how do you plan to enforce that? IP bans and HWID bans don't work and retroactive phone number bans mean the next person with that number is banned for no reason.

Valve could start requiring people submit legal government ID to play games online, I'm sure people would just love that.
Multi-billion dollar company with ONE JOB:

PROTECT PLAYERS FROM PLAYING AGAINST CHEATERS

Figure it the ♥♥♥♥ out.

Here is a clue.... in the history of multibillion dollar gaming companies there has been exactly ZERO companies who have actually figured out how to stop cheaters from starting to cheat in a game and none of them have been able to stop them from cheating after being banned.




READ below for many of the reasons why its so difficult to actually stop cheaters...





Copy and paste for every time a "I have a great idea to stop cheating" and the "DO SOMETHING" posts that always happen because people don't bother to use the search feature...

While below is mainly aimed at VAC, it can be said about any anti-cheat software.

Do you really think that they just sit there saying, "oh we have the perfect way to stop all hackers/cheaters once and for all, but we're just not going to do it cause we're lazy, ohh look at that, more money just rolled in, time to sit back doing nothing again"....

You have no idea how hard it is to stop hackers/cheater.

Blocking IPs are pointless, IPs can be changed in seconds, also if you block a single IP you could end up blocking lots of innocent people specially if the ISPs reuse IPs.

Blocking Hardware IDs is also as pointless, they can be changed and if you sell off your hardware, anyone who gets it will be banned.

Asking for some form of ID is pointless without anyway for Valve to actually Verify that ID is actually real. There is this thing called photo editing, its easily done by just about anyone. So sending pictures of the ID is pointless. There is no government databases that Valve can tap into from every single country they sell in the world because no government in their right mind would ever allow a game company access to private information.

Take the US all on its own, there are 50 different states, each with their own IDs, there is no single US ID so that would be 50 different databases Valve would need access too. Canada, same thing, each province and territory has their own Provincial ID, no actual Canadian ID. Now think about the hundreds of countries out there that are setup the same way.

There is no place that people can take their IDs to get verified because it would cost Valve a lot of money to pay those places to do that for them. You would also need a lot of places because no one is going to drive even miles every time they need to get their ID checked.

Most people do not have passports and to get one is very expensive, least it is in my country and its only good for a few years. If I'm not traveling outside of my country why do I need a passport?

Phone calls to talk to someone, pointless & expensive.

Require phone numbers won't work because there are free services out there that allow you to get free numbers and free texting. Also not everyone has a cell phone.

Sending someone to persons home, very expensive.

Limiting the number of accounts people can make is not possible. For one thing, Valve has no idea who is sitting at the keyboard. If you have 1 PC but have a family of 4 or 5 or more that all use that PC for gaming, and each of them has their own account, you just made it impossible for that family to have their own games on their own accounts, which is better then every single game for kids and adults on one account.

Valve can't even use a camera on the PC to see who is behind the keyboard because not all PCs have webcam. I (and may of my friends) don't use webcams. If I had a laptop with one, I would have tape over it. Cell phone has a case that covers the selfie camera.


Valve has to know about the hack and has to get their hands on it.
Then they have to figure out how it does its thing.
Then they have to figure out how to detect someone using it.
Then they have to figure out how to make sure they don't get any false positives.
Then they make it go active for a few weeks before actually hitting the kill switch.

Even before hitting the waiting time, this could be a few weeks work or more.

Why do they wait a few weeks to hit the kill switch? To get as many cheaters as they can in the net so that once they turn it on, the roaches don't go screaming to people "don't turn on the hack, its been detected".

Valve is also working on an automated way to detect cheating with teaching an AI what to look for. BUT this takes a long time to do and even then its not going to be perfect. Valve needs it to be perfect, to not create false positives that ban people who didn't actually cheat.

Now, do you know how easy it is for a cheat maker to change the cheat to make it undetectable? Sometimes its as simple as changing a few lines of code and thats it. Basically a few minutes work, then compile the program, test it, and upload it somewhere.

So if you want to help Valve, stop making posts like this. Look for people spreading urls to websites with hacks and send those urls (for the hacks and hack sites) to steam support. Don't post them in public, just send it to steam support.

If the game is not VAC protected, then you have to contact the game developer/publisher via the games discussion area and ask them how to submit the stuff to them.
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Multi-billion dollar company with ONE JOB:

PROTECT PLAYERS FROM PLAYING AGAINST CHEATERS

Figure it the ♥♥♥♥ out.
How much of your CPU, Memory, GPU & Network use are you willing to use to have a live-ban service?
How much are you willing to pay per month or annually to play the game to keep the anticheat as updated as humanly possible?
How intrusive should we allow it to be to ensure not a single cheater remains?
How intrusive can we be before customers get sick of the performance hit, claim to be "spied on" etc?

People had an issue with BattleEye and refused to purchase some games with them, the majority of the ones I saw complaining had long standing accounts that were still in good standing.

Most people want more, but when they get more they seem to believe it's some super overseas spyware bent on data harvesting everything the user is doing & refuse to install it.
Pscht 12 febr. 2024 la 16:09 
I know a way of permanently removing cheaters. But there's a flaw. Once killed, the users with a wrongly applied ban stay dead when it gets lifted later.

Back to the drawing board.
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