Gacha games should be required to be categorized as "Gacha" games

[Jairoe03]

This stems from the store front for the game Sword of Convallaria.

It's deceptive and does it's best to mask the idea that it's a Gacha game by making it look like as much of a normal JRPG tactics game as possible. This is reflects by their steam forum which shows many people making threads on how they were tricked into considering this game only to find out much later it's a Gacha game.

I'm not anti Gacha but I know this isn't my type of game having tried a few in the past. A category that either reflects what is and isn't a Gacha game upfront would be great for both Steam customers and the Gacha game company themselves. They don't need to be wasting time of people that aren't into their game genre.

Sword of Convallaria's store front can at worst be viewed as predatory and at best be a complete accident but regardless it's overall misleading and should not be allowed IMO.

[76561199540158642]

Cheers and i absolutely agree the gacha dynamic should be rated Mature only, removing it from children games will be the first step to creating a safer and more productive internet experience for children.

Secondly, the biggest problem i see is that almost all games would be classified at gacha that are free , while the industry does need to reform on this it will have to be done through the federal and national governments of each nation to address and fix this gacha rating requirement.

they have preyed on understand players for 10 years now, and the industry as a whole should be held responsibly for the ease in which people with addictions are drawn to gacha style gaming.

[Amaterasu]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Golden Unicorn:

basically all games are gacha style today, i can't honestly think of 1 game that don't have some type of random chest loot for cash roll.

its been a ongoing thing for the past 10 years, so unless you just woke up out of a comma or crawled out from under a rock, gacha is nothing new.

play for free , and or take a chance on the free loot rolls they give you but don't go throwing money at bad odds for video gratification.

gacha is not a casino, there is no payout if you win.

I can name several.
Armored Core 6
Ace Combat 7
Elden Ring
Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order
Kingdom Come: Deliverance
Trials of Mana
Sonic Frontiers
Blaster Master Zero 3
Streets of Rage 4
The Witcher 3
Two Point Hospital
Lost Judgment
The Outer Worlds

Only one is a remake.

[Jairoe03]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Golden Unicorn:

Cheers and i absolutely agree the gacha dynamic should be rated Mature only, removing it from children games will be the first step to creating a safer and more productive internet experience for children.

Secondly, the biggest problem i see is that almost all games would be classified at gacha that are free , while the industry does need to reform on this it will have to be done through the federal and national governments of each nation to address and fix this gacha rating requirement.

they have preyed on understand players for 10 years now, and the industry as a whole should be held responsibly for the ease in which people with addictions are drawn to gacha style gaming.

I disagree that all free games have gacha mechanics in it. We have had mobile games for a very long time that were free (mostly supported by ads) and did not implement gacha. Like microtransactions + random loot doesn't make the game a gacha. It's when its part of the central design of the game itself is when it starts becoming a gacha.

[76561199540158642]

well mostly all the games i play on mobile require better grade units to continue to progress which can only be obtained through pulls/spend/gacha. so while of them can be played the progress stops until the gacha , or pay wall is progressed past.

as for the list of games

Ursprünglich geschrieben von sungoddess14:

I can name several.
Armored Core 6
Ace Combat 7
Elden Ring
Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order
Kingdom Come: Deliverance
Trials of Mana
Sonic Frontiers
Blaster Master Zero 3
Streets of Rage 4
The Witcher 3
Two Point Hospital
Lost Judgment
The Outer Worlds

Only one is a remake.

all of those are pay to own games which require to be purchased before playing

they are not free to play mobile gacha models.

[Start_Running]

Does a game have to be free to play to be a Gatcha gatcha game?
I mean this I think is what stands in the way of that becoming a thing. You need a rather clear definition of what a Gatcha Game is.

[Jairoe03]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Start_Running:

Does a game have to be free to play to be a Gatcha gatcha game?
I mean this I think is what stands in the way of that becoming a thing. You need a rather clear definition of what a Gatcha Game is.

Not really because we have to accept that it won't be perfect. Plus look at the categorization of games currently. There are so many games that I would consider not exactly classified well like how everything is an RPG or a Strategy game even if its primarily like an FPS. Like oh this game has strategy elements, must be strategy o.O Yeah every game has a strategy layer

[Crazy Tiger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Golden Unicorn:

they are not free to play mobile gacha models.

Not all free to play games are gacha model games, though.

[[N]ebsun]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jairoe03:

I think there can be more thought around the requirement like only required for games that exceed a certain number of views in store etc.

This doesn't make any sense - the game should be labelled based on "what it is", not by how many views it gets.. that would make the label very inconsistent, and kinda useless - how do you know the label has been checked or simply just has not had enough views yet ?

[Tito Shivan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Golden Unicorn:

well mostly all the games i play on mobile

I spotted the problem.

[Jairoe03]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nebsun:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jairoe03:

I think there can be more thought around the requirement like only required for games that exceed a certain number of views in store etc.

This doesn't make any sense - the game should be labelled based on "what it is", not by how many views it gets.. that would make the label very inconsistent, and kinda useless - how do you know the label has been checked or simply just has not had enough views yet ?

It does from the perspective of "how does Steam ensure its value" which requires some amount of committment of resources. If we say every gacha game has to be vetted and labeled, it would be endless since there are so many garbage free games that exist (many that no one cares about) that it would not be reasonable to have to check them all to ensure a requirement is being met.

Keep in mind my idea is for these types of games to be REQUIRED to be labeled which requires some enforcement professionally. So the compromise would be to check the requirement on the ones that matter most aka heavily viewed games where people are considering some download/time investment decision on the game they are playing. Again no one can expect anything like this to be perfect but it doesn't mean it can't be valuable.

[Start_Running]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jairoe03:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Start_Running:

Does a game have to be free to play to be a Gatcha gatcha game?
I mean this I think is what stands in the way of that becoming a thing. You need a rather clear definition of what a Gatcha Game is.

Not really because we have to accept that it won't be perfect. Plus look at the categorization of games currently. There are so many games that I would consider not exactly classified well like how everything is an RPG or a Strategy game even if its primarily like an FPS. Like oh this game has strategy elements, must be strategy o.O Yeah every game has a strategy layer

MAy not be perfect. But yall need to have some way of defining u so that there can be at least some agreement about whether a game is or isn;t.

Metroidvania is pretty loose but you know what to expect when you see a game tagged as such.


The best approach is that you and like minded individuals start using it as a yuser generarted tag.

Though honestly. I think there's already a tage for those games everyone agrees upon... pay-2-win.