Maybe it's time we get DRM?

[armageddon]

After what happened to all subscribers of Funimation, I'm wondering what if this happens to Steam?

[d3str0y3r]

Nguyên văn bởi armageddon:

After what happened to all subscribers of Funimation, I'm wondering what if this happens to Steam?

In the event that Steam shuts down and no one buys it, yes we would all most likely lose access to are games. Then again the same could be said for any digital game on any platform.

However that is highly unlikely to happen.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Isn't Sony just consolidating everything to the better service they own?

[Poison Dart Frag]

I think you mean get RID of DRM. The inability of making personal backups and running your legally obtained games without a connection to the company s servers (or worse third-parties), is what causes people to have stuff they own stolen from them by corrupt companies. DRM is cancer.


The real pirates are the corporations that take your money, and then steal back what you bought from them.

[Gwarsbane]

Nguyên văn bởi armageddon:

Maybe it's time we get DRM?

After what happened to all subscribers of Funimation, I'm wondering what if this happens to Steam?

First I think you mean get rid of DRM... after all Steam already is DRM.

Valve already said they have a plan in place if anything ever happens so that people will keep access to the games they have bought. They haven't said what that plan is, but my guess is that its either updates to the games to remove the Steam DRM, or an update to Steam itself to spoof the access to the servers and trick the games into thinking they are still able to connect along with a long term hosting setup to allow people to download all the games, though more then likely at a much slower rate.

That being said, year after year they keep making record profits, so unless some huge company decides they want to buy Steam, and who ever owns Steam at the time decides they want to sell it (as it is a private company with no share holders from my understanding) I don't see anything like Steam shutting down happening any time soon.


As for what happen with Funimation, they are migrating everyone over to just using Crunchy Roll. They are being very dumb in not also migrating over all the stuff that people bought so that they will keep access to it, thats just going to create a lot of bad blood. At the very least they should give everyone enough credit to what was bought so that they can either rebuy everything or not have to pay for access for a long time.



Its an example of why relying on streaming services to allow you to keep access to stuff you buy is bad as most companies are not setup like Steam is where they write into their contracts with companies that users will always have a way to download the game from Steam. Also pretty sure if Valve ever were to sell to someone, they would make an iron clad contract that said everyone keeps access to all the games they have ever bought and will ever buy.

Personally for as long as I can, I will never buy digital only copies of music/movies/TV shows/animes unless that means I can download them to my hard drive and make a backup of them and listen to/watch them with what ever software I want to.

I will always buy CDs/DVDs/Blu-rays/4K discs for as long as I can which allows me to listen to/watch them even if my net connection is down. As long as I have power, and as long as my disc playing drives work, I will always have access to them.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Nguyên văn bởi armageddon:

After what happened to all subscribers of Funimation, I'm wondering what if this happens to Steam?

Sony moving their steaming service to one place only, all subscribers are gonna be auto converted to crunchyroll, and renewal will be changed to be charged on new plan that on crunchyroll.

Funimation sells hard copies of the movies/shows which comes with a KEY to redeem a free digtial copy for streaming from Funimation only, not download. Due to merge of two sites, some things couldn't be moved to crunchyroll, and for people that REDEEM free copies of digital version on streaming will not be saved for crunchyroll means people lose access to those on streaming copies, this has ZERO effect on your bought hard copies that is offline hence dvd/bluray.

[Amaterasu]

Nguyên văn bởi armageddon:

After what happened to all subscribers of Funimation, I'm wondering what if this happens to Steam?

You mean that company that exclusively does dubs of stock shounen schlock that is only popular because Americans think a black and white viewpoint of the world is good and any sort of moral ambiguity or gray is bad?

I ain't usually for calling for the downfall of something, but ♥♥♥♥ it, go Sony, you need to tear down Funimation! No more Shounen Schlock!

[nullable]

There's a place for everything. And like it or not shonen schlock makes a billion dollars, you're really naive if you think they'll operate a business based on your less profitable ideals.

[Amaterasu]

Nguyên văn bởi nullable:

There's a place for everything. And like it or not shonen schlock makes a billion dollars, you're really naive if you think they'll operate a business based on your less profitable ideals.

I never once said I believe they can run a business. I said that I believe funimation should go out of business.

[Start_Running]

Nguyên văn bởi sungoddess14:

Nguyên văn bởi armageddon:

After what happened to all subscribers of Funimation, I'm wondering what if this happens to Steam?

You mean that company that exclusively does dubs of stock shounen schlock that is only popular because Americans think a black and white viewpoint of the world is good and any sort of moral ambiguity or gray is bad?

I ain't usually for calling for the downfall of something, but ♥♥♥♥ it, go Sony, you need to tear down Funimation! No more Shounen Schlock!

Some times the world is black and white. And sometimes, its less about Morality and more about just watching people get piledrived through a mountain.

Nguyên văn bởi nullable:

There's a place for everything. And like it or not shonen schlock makes a billion dollars, you're really naive if you think they'll operate a business based on your less profitable ideals.

There's plenty of profitable morally ambigious stuff out there That's Shonen. and that gets anime adaptation. I mean MAde in Abyss anyone, Overlord, and many others.

That's sorta why Manga and anime are killing Western comics and animation. There's literally something for EVERYONE.

Of course to the OP. MEh. Those people were subscriobers, not purchasers. That's the thing witha paid subscription model. When the thing gets shut down you're basically left with... well nothing to show for all the money you put in...except memories. Which is why It's going to be a flood of tears when Blizzacti finally cans Wow

[Volfogg]

Well, I don't think I get quite well the connection made here.
(I'm not even familiar that much with Funimation. I prefer subbed myself)
Are you suggesting some sort of backup or migration in case of major flop?
Given the circumstances, a major flop on this platform here might be... unlikely, so I don't see much point of it. (Unless it's going to be about shonen, I do enjoy a decent Gundam show or similar, as a side note.)

[Poison Dart Frag]

Nguyên văn bởi Gwarsbane:

Nguyên văn bởi armageddon:

Maybe it's time we get DRM?

After what happened to all subscribers of Funimation, I'm wondering what if this happens to Steam?

First I think you mean get rid of DRM... after all Steam already is DRM.

Steam is not DRM, plenty games on Steam are DRM free.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam


DRM is something devs may add themselves, but it is not enforced by the store.

[Gwarsbane]

Nguyên văn bởi Poison Dart Frag:

Nguyên văn bởi Gwarsbane:

First I think you mean get rid of DRM... after all Steam already is DRM.

Steam is not DRM, plenty games on Steam are DRM free.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam


DRM is something devs may add themselves, but it is not enforced by the store.

Steam IS DRM. BUT a developer can choose to hook into the DRM or not.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/drm

The Steam DRM wrapper is an important part of Steam platform because it verifies game ownership and ensures that Steamworks features work properly by launching Steam before launching the game.

The Steam DRM wrapper by itself is not an anti-piracy solution. The Steam DRM wrapper protects against extremely casual piracy (i.e. copying all game files to another computer) and has some obfuscation, but it is easily removed by a motivated attacker.

We suggest enhancing the value of legitimate copies of your game by using Steamworks features which won't work on non-legitimate copies (e.g. online multiplayer, achievements, leaderboards, trading cards, etc.).

So again... yes Steam is DRM, but if a developer doesn't want to use steamworks, they are not forced to. I have never said Valve forces developers to use the DRM part of Steam.

[Poison Dart Frag]

Nguyên văn bởi Gwarsbane:

Nguyên văn bởi Poison Dart Frag:

Steam is not DRM, plenty games on Steam are DRM free.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam


DRM is something devs may add themselves, but it is not enforced by the store.

Steam IS DRM. BUT a developer can choose to hook into the DRM or not.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/drm

The Steam DRM wrapper is an important part of Steam platform because it verifies game ownership and ensures that Steamworks features work properly by launching Steam before launching the game.

The Steam DRM wrapper by itself is not an anti-piracy solution. The Steam DRM wrapper protects against extremely casual piracy (i.e. copying all game files to another computer) and has some obfuscation, but it is easily removed by a motivated attacker.

We suggest enhancing the value of legitimate copies of your game by using Steamworks features which won't work on non-legitimate copies (e.g. online multiplayer, achievements, leaderboards, trading cards, etc.).

So again... yes Steam is DRM, but if a developer doesn't want to use steamworks, they are not forced to. I have never said Valve forces developers to use the DRM part of Steam.

Steam offers a DRM service, but it s not mandatory. Steam itself is not DRM, and many games on Steam are DRM-free.

[RiO]

Nguyên văn bởi cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Isn't Sony just consolidating everything to the better service they own?

:winterbunny2023:

Yes and no.

They're account merging existing Funimation accounts into Crunchyroll accounts and in the process are basically doubling subscription costs for those Funimation users.

They could have created a limited subscription at the cost tier of the old Funimation subscriptions and would still have saved a lot of money in consolidating all the back-end infrastructure and doing away with Funimation as a (streaming) brand.

But instead, the way they did it is basically a double-dip akin to how they migrated PS+ users to the new subscription format some time ago as well.

Sony gonna Sony.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Nguyên văn bởi RiO:

Nguyên văn bởi cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Isn't Sony just consolidating everything to the better service they own?

Yes and no.

They're account merging existing Funimation accounts into Crunchyroll accounts and in the process are basically doubling subscription costs for those Funimation users.

They could have created a limited subscription at the cost tier of the old Funimation subscriptions and would still have saved a lot of money in consolidating all the back-end infrastructure and doing away with Funimation as a (streaming) brand.

But instead, the way they did it is basically a double-dip akin to how they migrated PS+ users to the new subscription format some time ago as well.

Sony gonna Sony.

The answer was yes, period. Funimation was the crappier service.