Steam should punish people who wrongfully accuse others of being Pirates.

[Amaterasu]

I already know how well this topic is going to go over and know it's likely going to get buried. But apparently, the discussion of piracy is against steam's Terms of Service. What else is also against Steam's terms of service is engaging in inflammatory behavior.

People in many topics only have one defense, calling people who dislike Denuvo and things like Denuvo pirates without any sort of evidence. Without anything to back it up. No matter if the evidence points to the contrary and 100% proves them wrong. They will die on this hill.

Yet when these kinds of post are reported to Steam, the reaction has basically been, "I see nothing wrong." And yet when you call these people out and they run to Steam... you eat a warning or a ban.

That's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up system that shows a clear bias and I'm sick of it.

[Mad Scientist]

If they are actually directly accusing an individual of such they can get into trouble. Even if they try to skirt around it to create or continue fights they can take action.

What is more interesting, is if non game owners overwhelmingly go from hub to hub picking arguments about denuvo, which will to owners & hub moderators look moderately suspicious if that's an observable habit especially since the hub is to discuss the game not the DRM. Perhaps one discussion in regard to such would be more suitable for Off-Topic.

Remember they actually have to do such behavior, if an individual makes really long stretches of such, it isn't going to result in people being moderated.

[Amaterasu]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

If they are actually directly accusing an individual of such they can get into trouble. Even if they try to skirt around it to create or continue fights they can take action.

And yet, they do it all the time... get reported all the time. Not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing is done.Then when we call it out... instant community guidelines warning or ban.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

If they are actually directly accusing an individual of such they can get into trouble. Even if they try to skirt around it to create or continue fights they can take action.

And yet, they do it all the time... get reported all the time. Not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing is done.Then when we call it out... instant community guidelines warning or ban.

You'd have to clarify how people are calling others pirates. For instance in this thread I haven't seen anyone being called pirates, although it is indeed possible i missed a post - https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4147320536953660425/

I saw a complaint from you in it where you claimed it but unless their posts were deleted I don't see anyone calling anyone else a pirate. If there posts were deleted then they did take action on it

Plenty of discussion of piracy as its synonymous with DRM, but nothing accusing other users of piracy that I can see unless I missed something.

[Amaterasu]

Originally posted by brian9824:

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

And yet, they do it all the time... get reported all the time. Not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing is done.Then when we call it out... instant community guidelines warning or ban.

You'd have to clarify how people are calling others pirates. For instance in this thread I haven't seen anyone being called pirates, although it is indeed possible i missed a post - https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4147320536953660425/

I saw a complaint from you in it where you claimed it but unless their posts were deleted I don't see anyone calling anyone else a pirate. If there posts were deleted then they did take action on it

Plenty of discussion of piracy as its synonymous with DRM, but nothing accusing other users of piracy that I can see unless I missed something.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2054970/discussions/0/4140565152678001984/

This thread is a big one for what I'm trying to point out. One person repeatedly called people pirates, said that all pirates are liars and that if someone does something wrong once, they have to go to prison or they don't regret their actions and never purchase anything still. Not a warning, not a ban. Nothing. Gets away with it.

Edit: Changed to beginning of topic for a lot more context.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

If they are actually directly accusing an individual of such they can get into trouble. Even if they try to skirt around it to create or continue fights they can take action.

And yet, they do it all the time... get reported all the time. Not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing is done.Then when we call it out... instant community guidelines warning or ban.

I have yet to see someone very specifically making such an accusation in any of those threads against a specific user, noting that people that may be against such DRM may be that sort of thing is not in itself actionable as it's not accusing specific people. So again, it has to actually be done to be actionable.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

Originally posted by brian9824:

You'd have to clarify how people are calling others pirates. For instance in this thread I haven't seen anyone being called pirates, although it is indeed possible i missed a post - https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4147320536953660425/

I saw a complaint from you in it where you claimed it but unless their posts were deleted I don't see anyone calling anyone else a pirate. If there posts were deleted then they did take action on it

Plenty of discussion of piracy as its synonymous with DRM, but nothing accusing other users of piracy that I can see unless I missed something.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2054970/discussions/0/4140565152678001984/?tscn=1707241627

This thread is a big one for what I'm trying to point out. One person repeatedly called people pirates, said that all pirates are liars and that if someone does something wrong once, they have to go to prison or they don't regret their actions and never purchase anything still. Not a warning, not a ban. Nothing. Gets away with it.

I didnt see him calling anyone specifically a pirate, just speaking in general terms, but I already had that user blocked. Its also possible he did get warned for some of his posts as you won't see when someone else gets warned.

What I saw is a lot of insults going back and forth, and i wouldn't be surprised if moderators just locked that thread so they wouldn't have to deal with all the reports on each other.

[Crashed]

Your accusations do not justify you making personal attacks or making false accusations that a product on Steam has malware, the latter of which is a very serious accusation considering actual malware is strictly prohibited by Steam rules.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Your accusations do not justify you making personal attacks or making false accusations that a product on Steam has malware, the latter of which is a very serious accusation considering actual malware is strictly prohibited by Steam rules.

Anything that obfuscates code from a malware scanner should be considered malware by default.

[Crashed]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by Crashed:

Your accusations do not justify you making personal attacks or making false accusations that a product on Steam has malware, the latter of which is a very serious accusation considering actual malware is strictly prohibited by Steam rules.

Anything that obfuscates code from a malware scanner should be considered malware by default.

Except a lot of legitimate programs have obfuscated code. Microsoft even distributes a limited version of the "Dotfuscator" with its official Visual Studio development software.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Steam should punish people who make the false equivalence of DRM = Malware.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Anything that obfuscates code from a malware scanner should be considered malware by default.

Except a lot of legitimate programs have obfuscated code. Microsoft even distributes a limited version of the "Dotfuscator" with its official Visual Studio development software.

Not seeing reports of that being reported back as false flags or tripping malware scanners.

[Amaterasu]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Your accusations do not justify you making personal attacks or making false accusations that a product on Steam has malware, the latter of which is a very serious accusation considering actual malware is strictly prohibited by Steam rules.

I never said any insults I flung were justified. I've also never called Denuvo Malware. I did once or twice call Enigma Malware. But the last time I used Enigma and Malware in the same post was to say that no one has called it a virus, that people call it malware. And I pointed out that things like adware, spyware, and ransomware aren't computer viruses, but are considered malware.

Which doesn't imply that it is malware. All that was said or even implied is... all computer viruses are malware, but not all malware are computer viruses. One would have to make a leap of logic, ignore any nuance in my stances and infer that I tried to directly connect the two.

Repeating things that aren't true don't make em true. My current stance is that Enigma is shady as hell, but I ain't got a clue what it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion This is known as a fallacy for a reason.

[Amaterasu]

Originally posted by Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Steam should punish people who make the false equivalence of DRM = Malware.

I mean this is supposed to be a, "Aha! Gotcha!" type comment, but yes, the inverse that "DRM is inherently malware" is also problematic. However... Steam already monitors and goes after people like that for the slightest provocation. Yet they leave the other side alone.

Either they apply the rules to both groups or they don't apply them at all.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

Originally posted by Crashed:

Your accusations do not justify you making personal attacks or making false accusations that a product on Steam has malware, the latter of which is a very serious accusation considering actual malware is strictly prohibited by Steam rules.

I never said any insults I flung were justified. I've also never called Denuvo Malware. I did once or twice call Enigma Malware. But the last time I used Enigma and Malware in the same post was to say that no one has called it a virus, that people call it malware. And I pointed out that things like adware, spyware, and ransomware aren't computer viruses, but are considered malware.

Which doesn't imply that it is malware. All that was said or even implied is... all computer viruses are malware not not all malware are computer viruses. One would have to make a leap of logic, ignore any nuance in my stances and infer that I tried to directly connect the two.

Repeating things that aren't true don't make em true. My current stance is that Enigma is shady as hell, but I ain't got a clue what it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion This is known as a fallacy for a reason.

Be wary, overuse of trying to claim things as fallacies to try and discredit or disregard the comment whatsoever falls under the fallacy fallacy, and is seen as disingenuous behavior (for example claiming when someone says they've had no issue with a DRM protected game, as a fallacy.)

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

Originally posted by Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Steam should punish people who make the false equivalence of DRM = Malware.

I mean this is supposed to be a, "Aha! Gotcha!" type comment, but yes, the inverse that "DRM is inherently malware" is also problematic. However... Steam already monitors and goes after people like that for the slightest provocation. Yet they leave the other side alone.

Either they apply the rules to both groups or they don't apply them at all.

Your mistake is you're attempting to see people who've legit had zero issues, as a "side" opposing to yours.