Windows 7 is dead, so are the games that don't work on Windows 10/11

[Epsilon]

Steam no longer runs on Windows 7 computers. Not big surprise. Problem though is the fact that a large chunk of the games I have on Steam do not like running on Windows 10/11 and only work on Windows 7. Valve should make a Legacy version of Steam for older games. Heck, even some of the really old games that aren't compatible with DOSBox or similar software emulation will not run on Windows 10/11, even when using VirtualShell.

[Crashed]

Originally posted by tcmitchell957:

Originally posted by Epsilon:

What disc based games can you get to run on Windows 10? I cannot run any of my disc ones due to missing files that Windows 10 no longer has but Windows 7 does. Such as the three Sim Theme Park games, I have discs but they will not run on Windows 10 but they will on Windows 7. All of the Tonka PC games will not run on Windows 10. All of the old Lego PC games (Racers, Rock Raiders, Island 1 & 2, Creator, etc) will not run on Windows 10. DOSBox is not compatible with all games. I still cannot get M1A1 to run on Windows 10 and it works fine on Windows 7.

many of those disc-based games will fail because microsoft blocked support for safedisc drm in windows 10, not valve.

They didn't actively block it, they just stopped including it signed for use with the OS. You can still take an existing version and test-sign it to load it.

You can check this out on PCGamingWiki (haven't tried myself) - https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/1154-safedisc-driver-restoration-for-win10/
Not required if you are one of the 10 people running Windows 10 32-bit as I believe it will just install the driver from the game disc.

[davidb11]

Very few websites with games on them will be filled with viruses.
Unless you use really bad websites. Like really bad.

[nullable]

Originally posted by Epsilon:

Originally posted by nullable:

If those old games are so important to you and you're unable to get them running, sounds like you'll need retro Windows 7 box. Valve isn't going to make legacy software because you want to run every game in existence on a single machine and don't want to upgrade your OS.

Besides old games not running on a newer OS/System is the responsibility of the publisher of those games to resolve, not Valve. Although I suspect, like many claims that a game will not run on X, really means you can't get it to run, not that it will not run. Valve isn't responsible for your IT failings.

They are not that important, I just enjoy playing some of these older games. I do have older machines specifically for these purposes but I'd like a solution to playing them on one system.

That's your responsibility. If you have old software that doesn't like a new OS, you deal with it. If you're determined to run an unsupported OS, well you can live with the consequences of that.

Originally posted by Epsilon:

Emulation softwares often fail to run even the most basic of programs. "Disc-less" versions that are available online are frequently filled with viruses and the sites claim to be the only way to run the games. The problem with that is, I have the discs so why bother to download the games from a virus filled website?

FYI, Valve is not gaming's mom. And they're not responsible to fulfill your request to thread the needle of running all PC games on a single system using an OS of your choosing. Regardless of how willing you to are to dismiss all existing options. Sit on your hands and wait for Valve to fix it for you if you want, you're gonna be waiting for quite a long time. Long enough you're gonna have plenty of time to solve most game specific issues, or compromising and running more than one system.

[vanishedchief2021]

Do you remember when you brought a game disk, the game was actually stored on the disk? Pemberton farms remember. Btw the deck is dead.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by vanishedchief2021:

Do you remember when you brought a game disk, the game was actually stored on the disk? Pemberton farms remember. Btw the deck is dead.

Is that why they literally just released another update to the Deck?

[Ionut Catalin Frasineanu]

RIP Windows 7/8!

[Haruspex]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by vanishedchief2021:

Do you remember when you brought a game disk, the game was actually stored on the disk? Pemberton farms remember. Btw the deck is dead.

Is that why they literally just released another update to the Deck?

Also why the Deck remains at the top of the top sellers list, occasionally being knocked to number 2 by some extremely popular game release before going back up to number one again.

If you look at Google trends, "Steam Deck" interest remained pretty stable through 2023 before getting a gigantic boost in November with the OLED announcement. It's settled down a bit but still remains higher than the stable interest level earlier in the year.

[no154370]

most old games are currently sold on GoG where it is being updated to run on the latest Windows OS.

then if you want to play very old games like "bandit kings of china", "romance of the three kingdoms 2 and romance of the three kingdoms 3".........etc

you will need Dosbox for such games.

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compatibility options don't work at all to run old games.

anyone who go mention such an option are those who don't know anything at all.

tried before, done before, doesn't work at all.

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windows 7 is actually no longer receiving support since 2020 for non ESU subscribers.

windows 7 support for ESU subscribers ends in 2023.

[peter purvis]

I was unhappy having to ditch Win 7, but Win 10 isn't that bad an experience for me.

I haven't found a game that doesn't work yet and I haven't seen any performance issues either.

[Scramble]

It is a big surprise that Steam has not made a fixed fork to run on Windows 7 already. If the games we have purchased because they run on Windows 95, Windows XP, Windows 7 etc, changes requirements and become unplayable. Then Steam owe us our money back.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Scramble:

It is a big surprise that Steam has stopped update. If the games we have purchased because they run on Windows 95, Windows XP, Windows 7 etc, changes requirements and become unplayable. Then Steam owe us our money back.

They didn't stop it. They also don't owe any money back as you agreed to keep your system up to date as needed.

[Scramble]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by Scramble:

It is a big surprise that Steam has stopped update. If the games we have purchased because they run on Windows 95, Windows XP, Windows 7 etc, changes requirements and become unplayable. Then Steam owe us our money back.

They didn't stop it. They also don't owe any money back as you agreed to keep your system up to date as needed.

Ah you managed to quote it before I clarified.

No updates are needed ever - software is the only thing in the universe that has no age. Only changes made can make things stop work (or deliberate build in self destruction, but no game I have paid for has a dead timer in the specs).

And my Windows XP computer are completely up to specs to run the Windows XP game.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by Scramble:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

They didn't stop it. They also don't owe any money back as you agreed to keep your system up to date as needed.

Ah you managed to quote it before I clarified.

No updates are needed ever - software is the only thing in the universe that has no age. Only changes made can make things stop work (or deliberate build in self destruction, but no game I have paid for has a dead timer in the specs).

And my Windows XP computer are completely up to specs to run the Windows XP game.

Nothing about that changes what is being said. You agreed to the terms of the service, which have had a passage since the beginning that the system requirements to use the client can and will be updated at any time.

Nobody is owed a refund.

If people don't like the terms, they can try the local consumer agencies to see what can be done. But don't get your hopes up.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Scramble:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

They didn't stop it. They also don't owe any money back as you agreed to keep your system up to date as needed.

Ah you managed to quote it before I clarified.

No updates are needed ever - software is the only thing in the universe that has no age. Only changes made can make things stop work (or deliberate build in self destruction, but no game I have paid for has a dead timer in the specs).

And my Windows XP computer are completely up to specs to run the Windows XP game.

By this logic, you don't need to update anti-virus software despite exploits being found.

Software does have an age. As technology advances, software will be aged out.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Originally posted by Scramble:

Ah you managed to quote it before I clarified.

No updates are needed ever - software is the only thing in the universe that has no age. Only changes made can make things stop work (or deliberate build in self destruction, but no game I have paid for has a dead timer in the specs).

And my Windows XP computer are completely up to specs to run the Windows XP game.

Nothing about that changes what is being said. You agreed to the terms of the service, which have had a passage since the beginning that the system requirements to use the client can and will be updated at any time.

Nobody is owed a refund.

If people don't like the terms, they can try the local consumer agencies to see what can be done. But don't get your hopes up.

As shown from the FTC website, they directly encourage keeping your software up to date.