Another Call For It: Ban All Third Party DRM From Steam

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That means third-party logins (Uplay), third-party DRM measures (Denuvo, Enigma, SecuROM, etc), and third-party verification methods (accounts hosted with other companies).

Makes things better for everyone around here: publishers don't waste money on useless resources, and consumers get the product they paid for.

[Crazy Tiger]

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

So many people arguing against their best interests. Oh well.

I'm not, I'm just realistic. I don't like such things and don't buy games on Steam from Ubi, EA and such that require their stores/launchers. But it isn't going away just because of some idealistic dream.

As I said, it doesn't serve Valve nor the game devs/publishers, it won't change. It requires either a change in how licensing works or a massive boycot by users. Neither will happen anytime soon, or at all.

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Nguyên văn bởi Crazy Tiger:

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

So many people arguing against their best interests. Oh well.

I'm not, I'm just realistic. I don't like such things and don't buy games on Steam from Ubi, EA and such that require their stores/launchers. But it isn't going away just because of some idealistic dream.

As I said, it doesn't serve Valve nor the game devs/publishers, it won't change. It requires either a change in how licensing works or a massive boycot by users. Neither will happen anytime soon, or at all.

We're back to the beginning: it serves the publishers because their profit margins will increase and we'll have enforcement against snake oil companies like Irdeto.

[Brian9824]

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

Nguyên văn bởi brian9824:

You mean your intrests that you are pushing onto others. Personally its in my best interest that gaming companies remain profitable and keep making games and stay on steam. You seem to want to push them off steam which is not in my best interests.

I mean go look at GoG and what happens when you don't allow DRM, you don't get the games to sell...

It's not pushing them off of Steam; it's telling them they have to be more consumer-friendly. You're taking things to a logical extreme.

It is, you start dictating how a developer has to develop their game if they wish to use your platform and you push them off it.

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

GoG isn't aggressive with its push to get other publishers on their platform, and other marketing tactics could be used to increase its margin and revenues.

Hate to burst your bubble but many developers don't release their games their because of the lack of DRM

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

If you guys want to argue for malware companies

DRM isn't malware

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Nguyên văn bởi brian9824:

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

It's not pushing them off of Steam; it's telling them they have to be more consumer-friendly. You're taking things to a logical extreme.

It is, you start dictating how a developer has to develop their game if they wish to use your platform and you push them off it.

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

GoG isn't aggressive with its push to get other publishers on their platform, and other marketing tactics could be used to increase its margin and revenues.

Hate to burst your bubble but many developers don't release their games their because of the lack of DRM

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

If you guys want to argue for malware companies

DRM isn't malware

You've no proof for any one of these statements. DRM is malware and that's simply by design; it negatively affects the paying customers, not the people who end out going around it.

[Mad Scientist]

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

Irdeto as a company are notoriously anti-LGBTQ+.

So? They're not going to force a Developer to drop drm just because someone has a personal axe to grind with the choices of the drm company. Is this why it was suggested?

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

As well, these DRM companies are lowering the product quality of our purchases and taking away our right to ownership more and more each day.

Good amount of Devs abandon drm over time, especially when certain 3rd parties defeat the drm, making it not worth having. Steam users have been fairly vocal in the game hubs about not buying if there's always-online drm as well.

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

An Ubisoft executive arrogantly spoke the other day to say that our right to the games we purchase should be taken away from us entirely and we should get used to it. Is that the future you want?

After the whole deleting bit, people should've seen that as a red flag, many users did see that as a red flag and stopped making purchases. Vote with your wallet. There will be financial consequences and they will most likely reverse the decision after seeing profits shrink.

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

It is useless because there is no evidence to prove it is actually doing as it is supposed to: increase profit margins for the companies in question.

It's about protecting it & making sure people have to buy it to the point it makes illegitimate party stuff not work at all. Once defeated, many abandon the drm as mentioned previously.

[Tito Shivan]

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

It serves Valve because Gabe Newell famously said "piracy is a service problem"

Turned out that the last time a dev took their third party launcher off Steam it caused a service problem for many. They couldn't play those games IN Steam.

We got ten years of people wanting those games back here.

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Nguyên văn bởi Tito Shivan:

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

It serves Valve because Gabe Newell famously said "piracy is a service problem"

Turned out that the last time a dev took their third party launcher off Steam it caused a service problem for many. They couldn't play those games IN Steam.

We got ten years of people wanting those games back here.

It's their fault for putting the third party launchers in their games in the first place.

[Amaterasu]

Nguyên văn bởi brian9824:

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

So many people arguing against their best interests. Oh well.

You mean your intrests that you are pushing onto others. Personally its in my best interest that gaming companies remain profitable and keep making games and stay on steam. You seem to want to push them off steam which is not in my best interests.

I mean go look at GoG and what happens when you don't allow DRM, you don't get the games to sell...

yes, no one buys games on gog. *looks over at her gog library* I seem to have 37 games in my library and I can tell you that I paid for 33 of them. one was a christmas gift, three were giveaways during the winter.

[davidb11]

DRM is and sadly will always be an issue.
This isn't going to go away.
Not until piracy suddenly ceases to exist, at which point DRM would become pointless.

[Tito Shivan]

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

It's their fault for putting the third party launchers in their games in the first place.

Read again what I wrote. Not having those games WITH their third party launchers was an issue for many people.

When EA came back to Steam WITH their third party client, their games were on top of the best sellers list for months. Meaning lots of people value higher having the game in steam than the game requiring a third party client.

I bought BF2042 in Steam instead of buying it in Origin during the last sale.

Nguyên văn bởi sungoddess14:

yes, no one buys games on gog.

The problem with GOG is it doesn't have all the games people want to buy.

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Nguyên văn bởi davidb11:

DRM is and sadly will always be an issue.
This isn't going to go away.
Not until piracy suddenly ceases to exist, at which point DRM would become pointless.

DRM doesn't solve the problem.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

ah yes, telling your PRIMARY customers what to do, a great way to kill your business.

This is why the OP will NEVER create anything of value

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Nguyên văn bởi Malfunctioning Robot:

ah yes, telling your PRIMARY customers what to do, a great way to kill your business.

This is why the OP will NEVER create anything of value

There's already restrictions on publishers to not exploit customers with cryptocurrency-related games and other guidelines. This is just another guideline. I don't think any company would risk taking a bullet for Irdeto of all companies to afford that much of a profit loss from losing out on Steam.

[Mad Scientist]

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

Nguyên văn bởi Malfunctioning Robot:

ah yes, telling your PRIMARY customers what to do, a great way to kill your business.

This is why the OP will NEVER create anything of value

There's already restrictions on publishers to not exploit customers with cryptocurrency-related games and other guidelines. This is just another guideline. I don't think any company would risk taking a bullet for Irdeto of all companies to afford that much of a profit loss from losing out on Steam.

Crypto is not relatable to drm, and having a personal social-political disagreement with one drm company is not a reason to remove all 3rd party drm.

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Nguyên văn bởi Mad Scientist:

Nguyên văn bởi Garbage:

There's already restrictions on publishers to not exploit customers with cryptocurrency-related games and other guidelines. This is just another guideline. I don't think any company would risk taking a bullet for Irdeto of all companies to afford that much of a profit loss from losing out on Steam.

Crypto is not relatable to drm, and having a personal social-political disagreement with one drm company is not a reason to remove all 3rd party drm.

Affecting the consumer's product negatively to no net benefit to anyone but the scam company in question is a reason, however. Even beyond the "sociopolitical" (read: their parent company partaking in the broadcasts of violent conversion therapies, hate speech, and breach of human rights[www.icj.org]), that should be reason alone.

Stop arguing against everyone's best interests.

EDIT: Edited for clarity and accuracy and to remove hyperbole that could be seen as problematic. Thank you, Mad Scientist.